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ron.mcgann(at)baesystems.
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Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 3:41 pm Post subject: Aileron Pushrod Assemblies

Howdy all,   

I was working the aileron pushrod assemblies yesterday.  Figure 2 of 39-2 indicates an F-1064 length of 12 5/8".  The supplied F-1064 in my kit is 13 1/16" (for both pushrods).  Interestingly, the supplied F-1065 is 20 1/2", the same as called for in the plans.  

When the 30 1/16" F-1064s are used with the 1/2" pushrod sleeves, the total assembly length comes in at 15 1/2", well over the 14 7/8" called for in the plans.  If the two pushrod sleeves are removed, the assembly can easily be adjusted to 14 7/8".  Photos attached.  

Obvious solution is to trim the F-1064s to the correct length. But these are pre drilled and threaded and trimming will also remove some of the thread.  I don't know whether there will be sufficient thread depth if trimmed.  The other option is to halve the size of the sleeves, or exclude them all together.  

Pictures on other web sites (eg Tim O.'s) have the collars included.  If the F-1064 length is maintained at 13 1/16", why are the collars required?  Have others experienced this problem?  

as always, thanks in advance   

Ron  

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Tim(at)MyRV10.com
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Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 4:38 pm Post subject: Aileron Pushrod Assemblies

Ron,  Wish I could be of more help and tell you if I cut them or not,

but whatever I did, I had them be to the exact plans length, so there

was no fudging involved.  I wish I understood what that collar was for

too.  My only thought was that it perhaps shields things that could be

rubbed by the threads on the rod end, but that would seem strange that

you'd even have anything that close to the rod ends.  Mine are

loose on the part, since the jamb nut is up against the hex piece

holding the rod end tight, so the other collars kind of float free

a bit.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

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McGANN, Ron wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   Howdy all,

 

 I was working the aileron pushrod assemblies yesterday.  Figure 2 of 

 39-2 indicates an F-1064 length of 12 5/8".  The supplied F-1064 in my 

 kit is 13 1/16" (for both pushrods).  Interestingly, the supplied F-1065 

 is 20 1/2", the same as called for in the plans.

 

 When the 30 1/16" F-1064s are used with the 1/2" pushrod sleeves, the 

 total assembly length comes in at 15 1/2", well over the 14 7/8" called 

 for in the plans.  If the two pushrod sleeves are removed, the assembly 

 can easily be adjusted to 14 7/8".  Photos attached.

 

 Obvious solution is to trim the F-1064s to the correct length. But these 

 are pre drilled and threaded and trimming will also remove some of the 

 thread.  I don't know whether there will be sufficient thread depth if 

 trimmed.  The other option is to halve the size of the sleeves, or 

 exclude them all together.

 

 Pictures on other web sites (eg Tim O.'s) have the collars included.  If 

 the F-1064 length is maintained at 13 1/16", why are the collars 

 required?  Have others experienced this problem?

 

 as always, thanks in advance

 

 Ron

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LarryRosen

Joined: 16 Jan 2006
Posts: 415
Location: Medford, NJ

Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 5:02 pm Post subject: Aileron Pushrod Assemblies

I actually got one rod 12 5/8" and one 13 1/16", so I called Vans.  They 

said they were changing to the longer rod and eliminating the sleeves.  

Just put them together with out the sleeves.



Larry Rosen

#356



McGANN, Ron wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  

 Howdy all,



 I was working the aileron pushrod assemblies yesterday.  Figure 2 of 

 39-2 indicates an F-1064 length of 12 5/8".  The supplied F-1064 in my 

 kit is 13 1/16" (for both pushrods).  Interestingly, the supplied 

 F-1065 is 20 1/2", the same as called for in the plans.



 When the 30 1/16" F-1064s are used with the 1/2" pushrod sleeves, the 

 total assembly length comes in at 15 1/2", well over the 14 7/8" 

 called for in the plans.  If the two pushrod sleeves are removed, the 

 assembly can easily be adjusted to 14 7/8".  Photos attached.



 Obvious solution is to trim the F-1064s to the correct length. But 

 these are pre drilled and threaded and trimming will also remove some 

 of the thread.  I don't know whether there will be sufficient thread 

 depth if trimmed.  The other option is to halve the size of the 

 sleeves, or exclude them all together.



 Pictures on other web sites (eg Tim O.'s) have the collars included.  

 If the F-1064 length is maintained at 13 1/16", why are the collars 

 required?  Have others experienced this problem?



 as always, thanks in advance



 Ron

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acs(at)acspropeller.com.a
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Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 5:48 pm Post subject: Aileron Pushrod Assemblies

Hi Ron,  

I’m on this section as well.  

Mine were the longer rod and no collars (sleeves)  

John  

40315  

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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of McGANN, Ron

 Sent: Monday, 8 May 2006 9:39 AM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Aileron Pushrod Assemblies  

  

   

Howdy all,   

I was working the aileron pushrod assemblies yesterday.  Figure 2 of 39-2 indicates an F-1064 length of 12 5/8".  The supplied F-1064 in my kit is 13 1/16" (for both pushrods).  Interestingly, the supplied F-1065 is 20 1/2", the same as called for in the plans.  

When the 30 1/16" F-1064s are used with the 1/2" pushrod sleeves, the total assembly length comes in at 15 1/2", well over the 14 7/8" called for in the plans.  If the two pushrod sleeves are removed, the assembly can easily be adjusted to 14 7/8".  Photos attached.  

Obvious solution is to trim the F-1064s to the correct length. But these are pre drilled and threaded and trimming will also remove some of the thread.  I don't know whether there will be sufficient thread depth if trimmed.  The other option is to halve the size of the sleeves, or exclude them all together.  

Pictures on other web sites (eg Tim O.'s) have the collars included.  If the F-1064 length is maintained at 13 1/16", why are the collars required?  Have others experienced this problem?  

as always, thanks in advance   

Ron 

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ron.mcgann(at)baesystems.
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Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 3:21 pm Post subject: Aileron Pushrod Assemblies

All,   

For those yet to hit this point, response from Vans:   

"Current DWG 39-5 (Rev 1) shows 1064 13 1/8 for hex rod and overall length 14 7/8.  F-1065  is hex rod: 20 1/2 and overall: 22 5/8.   

There are no sleeves, just rod-end bearings and jam nuts.     

If these lengths of pushrod are in your kit, I would expect DWG 39-5 to show this.  Check to see if you have revision 1."  

I have rev 0 of the plans.  Checked Vans website and there is no rev 1 in the "Service Information/Revisions" Section.  Does anyone have a list of the CURRENT drawings by any chance? I wonder how many other drawings are out of date (a good chunk of Sections 26 and 29 I bet!)  

Ron   

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Rick S.

Joined: 12 Feb 2006
Posts: 347
Location: Las Vegas

Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 5:14 pm Post subject: Aileron Pushrod Assemblies

Ron,

  

 I love when you get to the next step the day before me!!!   My 1064 rods are 13-1/8" if I went off the plans I would have had to cut them to 12-5/8" and use bushings. Thanks to your post...I don't have to make the bushings or cut the rods!!!!   Thanks Mate!!! This time you saved me!!

  

 One more Shrimp on the Barbie I owe ya!!

  

 Rick S.

 40185

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acs(at)acspropeller.com.a
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Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 6:39 pm Post subject: Aileron Pushrod Assemblies

Ron,

 My plans are marked 39-5 Rev 1.

 As for sections 26 thru 29 revs as per the Vans web listing.

 John

 40315

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ericmpmail-rv10(at)yahoo.
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Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 8:54 pm Post subject: Aileron Pushrod Assemblies

The next "challenge" you will find is when aileron

pushrods get installed onto the wing. I suspect that

everyone without a teardrop shaped aperture on the

rear spar will be doing some grinding soon... The

point of the "drop" goes a little into the hinge

itself. You can mount it up and see the clearance

issue right away with the retangular hole that came

stock from Van's. Randy had to widen. I will on kit

40150. Factory plane also has this cut out to a tear

drop shape to prevent rubbing/binding. I snapped a pic

of this awhile ago on the factory plane. 



Not sure why this is not a revision from Van's.

Perhaps it has changed on kits beyond mine? I pointed

it out here about 2-3 months ago when I was worried

about the range of travel for autopilots and worked

with Randy to get the numbers for his.



Make sure you have full range of travel without any

rubbing or binding. To check full range to need wings

linked or measure angles. There is only one hard stop

for travel per wing (together they are full stops)



Eric





--- Rick <ricksked(at)earthlink.net> wrote:

---------------------------------


 

I love when you get to the next step the day before

me!!!   My 1064 rods are 13-1/8" if I went off the

plans I would have had to cut them to 12-5/8" and use

bushings. Thanks to your post...I don't have to make

the bushings or cut the rods!!!!   Thanks Mate!!! This

time you saved me!!

 

One more Shrimp on the Barbie I owe ya!!

 

Rick S.

40185

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jesse(at)itecusa.org
Guest

Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 4:23 am Post subject: Aileron Pushrod Assemblies

Kit 40415 came with the teardrop shape already in it.  The plans still

showed the rectangle, but the teardrop shape was there.  We had to cut the

teardrop in the doubler, but it was already in the spar.



Jesse Saint

I-TEC, Inc.

jesse(at)itecusa.org

www.itecusa.org

352-465-4545



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n8vim(at)arrl.net
Guest

Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 6:54 am Post subject: Aileron Pushrod Assemblies

Kit 40384 (With Wing Main spar assemblies S/N 350) also had the teardrop 

in the rear spars, but not on the plans.



-Jim 40384



Jesse Saint wrote:



[quote]



Kit 40415 came with the teardrop shape already in it.  The plans still

showed the rectangle, but the teardrop shape was there.  We had to cut the

teardrop in the doubler, but it was already in the spar.



Jesse Saint

I-TEC, Inc.

jesse(at)itecusa.org

www.itecusa.org

352-465-4545



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jaybrinkmeyer(at)yahoo.co
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Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 6:59 am Post subject: Aileron Pushrod Assemblies

Does anyone have photos of there modifications?



Thanks,

Jay



      

      

      

      The next "challenge" you will find is when aileron

      pushrods get installed onto the wing. I suspect that

      everyone without a teardrop shaped aperture on the

      rear spar will be doing some grinding soon... The

      point of the "drop" goes a little into the hinge

      itself. You can mount it up and see the clearance

      issue right away with the retangular hole that came

      stock from Van's. Randy had to widen. I will on kit

      40150. Factory plane also has this cut out to a tear

      drop shape to prevent rubbing/binding. I snapped a pic

      of this awhile ago on the factory plane. 

      

      Not sure why this is not a revision from Van's.

      Perhaps it has changed on kits beyond mine? I pointed

      it out here about 2-3 months ago when I was worried

      about the range of travel for autopilots and worked

      with Randy to get the numbers for his.

      

      Make sure you have full range of travel without any

      rubbing or binding. To check full range to need wings

      linked or measure angles. There is only one hard stop

      for travel per wing (together they are full stops)

      



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toaster73(at)earthlink.ne
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Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 5:51 pm Post subject: Aileron Pushrod Assemblies

Mine came as teardrop shape but I ordered my wings about a year ago, so I 

think it depends on when you ordered your wings not what kit number you 

have.

-Chris

#40072

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