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payaremchuk(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 12:36 pm Post subject: Anyone here?

For everyone who is ALSO frequenting the VAF forum; it's great to mention it when there is more info available on a topic on Matronics. 

 I for one, find it difficult to find old threads on the Mat board, so links are great help.

 I suppose the allure of posing pics fairly easily and the daily activity makes the VAF forum so appealing to most.

  

 Perry

  

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 On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 6:04 AM, jofrap1(at)juno.com (jofrap1(at)juno.com) <jofrap1(at)juno.com (jofrap1(at)juno.com)> wrote:

 [quote]Nobody here!



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ralphmariafinch(at)gmail.
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Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 2:45 pm Post subject: Anyone here?

VAF is useful for two purposes:  its archive posts have useful threads on many topics related to building and flying RVs and is much easier to search than the Matronics archives. And, VAF is better for gossip and trivia during the day.

 

Matronics is best for current technical questions, especially the Aero-Electric list and Bob Nuckolls. VAF seems to have self-anointed “experts” to a far greater extent than the Matronics lists, who give out dubious answers with great authority.  I only trust the VAF archives where you can read through a long thread and figure out who really knows the score.

 

From: owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv9-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry Yaremchuk

Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 12:27 PM

To: rv9-list(at)matronics.com

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For everyone who is ALSO frequenting the VAF forum; it's great to mention it when there is more info available on a topic on Matronics. 



I for one, find it difficult to find old threads on the Mat board, so links are great help.



I suppose the allure of posing pics fairly easily and the daily activity makes the VAF forum so appealing to most.



 



Perry



 



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racerjerry

Joined: 15 Dec 2009
Posts: 202
Location: Deer Park, NY

Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 5:31 am Post subject: Re: Anyone here?

Possibly when a few more builders discover that an RV-9 can be built to fit within FAA Light Sport Aircraft limitations (single occupant with a REAL aircraft engine), we will see a greater following on this list.

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whd721

Joined: 01 Oct 2007
Posts: 15

Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 8:23 am Post subject: Anyone here?

Interesting concept.



I would like a little more info on how you plan to pull it off.  Van's empty weight is about 1000 lbs.  Leaving 320 for pilot and fuel- - - -      wow.   



Cleaver ideas are appreciated. 



On Mar 28, 2011, at 6:31 AM, racerjerry wrote:



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 Possibly when a few more builders discover that an RV-9 can be built to fit within FAA Light Sport Aircraft limitations (single occupant with a REAL aircraft engine), we will see a greater following on this list.

 

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whd721
RV9A
Beaverton, OR

racerjerry

Joined: 15 Dec 2009
Posts: 202
Location: Deer Park, NY

Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 9:22 am Post subject: Re: Anyone here?

Hello whd 721.



I am not yet building either, but as you said, RV-9 as a LSA is certainly an interesting concept.  Several discussions of in-process and completed projects appear at vansairforce.net; in both RV-9, RV-12 and RV General Discussion forums.  Both sides of the coin are discussed with input from a highly qualified DAR.  Remember that the aircraft would need to be built lightly to FIT within the LSA limitations, much like a Cub, but not registered as an LSA.  You would definitely be giving up the second seat.



Start here and donâ€™t skip page 2.  



http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=67700&highlight=lsa



OR

http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=6736&highlight=RV9+LSA

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Jerry King

klwerner(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 9:36 am Post subject: Anyone here?

Hi Jerry,



Oh really, but wouldn't the RV-9 be a tad too heavy and/or a tad too  

fast for the LSA class?



Konrad



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On Mar 28, 2011, at 7:31 AM, racerjerry wrote:



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 Possibly when a few more builders discover that an RV-9 can be built  

 to fit within FAA Light Sport Aircraft limitations (single occupant  

 with a REAL aircraft engine), we will see a greater following on  

 this list.



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 Jerry King





 Read this topic online here:



 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=335257#335257

smbluthing(at)volexpress.
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Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 10:38 am Post subject: Anyone here?

Don't get caught!  Yes that will work.î•

Sent from my Iphone.

This is the single greatest piece of technology ever!!!!!!

On Mar 28, 2011, at 11:47 AM, William DeLacey <whd721(at)msn.com> wrote:

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 Interesting concept.

 I would like a little more info on how you plan to pull it off.  Van's empty weight is about 1000 lbs.  Leaving 320 for pilot and fuel- - - -      wow.   

 Cleaver ideas are appreciated. 

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biovail2001(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 3:17 pm Post subject: Anyone here?

I am probably a bit short sighted, but why would someone want to go through all the hassels ofand costs of reworking an RV 9 to change the plane from its design goals to something that will fall short in load carrying ability and many other areas when van has designed the RV 12 specificaly for that purpose.  

 Personally, I enjoy my 9A the way it is.

 Best of luck.

 Steve 

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From: Jms <smbluthing(at)volexpress.com>

Subject: Re: Re: Anyone here?

To: "rv9-list(at)matronics.com" <rv9-list(at)matronics.com>

Date: Monday, March 28, 2011, 2:09 PM

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Don't get caught!  Yes that will work.î•

Sent from my Iphone.

This is the single greatest piece of technology ever!!!!!!

On Mar 28, 2011, at 11:47 AM, William DeLacey <whd721(at)msn.com (whd721(at)msn.com)> wrote:

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 Interesting concept.

 I would like a little more info on how you plan to pull it off.  Van's empty weight is about 1000 lbs.  Leaving 320 for pilot and fuel- - - -       wow.   

 Cleaver ideas are appreciated. 

 On Mar 28, 2011, at 6:31 AM, racerjerry wrote:

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payaremchuk(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 5:06 pm Post subject: Anyone here?

Hmmm, spend $80,000 on a plane that is pretty much an illegal oddity, with a resale value about half that of a 'real' RV-9.

Not a smart investment compared to a RV12 or another LSA that has been SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED to meet the criteria.

 (But hey, it's a nearly free country, go pound a square peg ina round hole if you must.



On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Steve Koziol <biovail2001(at)yahoo.com (biovail2001(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:

 [quote] I am probably a bit short sighted, but why would someone want to go through all the hassels ofand costs ofÂ reworking an RV 9 to change the plane from its designÂ goals to something that will fall short in load carrying ability and many other areas when van has designed the RV 12 specificaly for that purpose.Â  

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From: Jms <smbluthing(at)volexpress.com (smbluthing(at)volexpress.com)>

Subject: Re: Re: Anyone here?

 To: "rv9-list(at)matronics.com (rv9-list(at)matronics.com)" <rv9-list(at)matronics.com (rv9-list(at)matronics.com)>

Date: Monday, March 28, 2011, 2:09 PM

 

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Don't get caught!Â  Yes that will work.î•

 

Sent from my Iphone.



This is the single greatest piece of technology ever!!!!!!



On Mar 28, 2011, at 11:47 AM, William DeLacey <whd721(at)msn.com> wrote:

 

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rv9ralph(at)tailsrwaggin.
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Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 5:12 pm Post subject: Anyone here?

Ok, RV9 as a LSA. First, to qualify, when the Airworthiness Certificate is issued, the max gross weight cannot exceed 1320, canâ€™t it declare lower after. The lightest certified RV9/A was approx 980 pounds empty, leaving 340 for load (fuel, pilot and baggage). So, letâ€™s look at some numbers. First fuel, 36 gal capacity equals 216 pounds, leaving 136 for pilot & baggage. (I havenâ€™t seen 136 since I was 30 in 1981). You could reduce the fuel capacity by putting the end rib of the tank inboard a few bays, but that would reduce the utility of the aircraft even more.

 

The big problem is how to slow down the RV9, LSA rules only allow a top speed of 138 mph in level flight. The only way to do that is to change the pitch of the prop, de-rating the engine wonâ€™t work, then you wouldnâ€™t have climb performance.

 

Is it really worth it?

 

Ralph

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racerjerry

Joined: 15 Dec 2009
Posts: 202
Location: Deer Park, NY

Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 6:54 am Post subject: Re: Anyone here?

Ahhhh, itâ€™s good to stir the pot once in awhile just to liven things up!



Thanks, all.

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Jerry King

Bear Creek Aviation

Joined: 14 Jul 2008
Posts: 5

Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:39 am Post subject: Anyone here?

Can’t be a ELSA now, it never was built as a ASTM Compliant SLSA like the RV12, so you can no longer register it as a ELSA. Before 1/31/2008, you could, and I understand there is at least one RV9 registered as an ELSA.

 

FAR 21.191 (i)(1) specifies that all existing previously-uncertificated “ultralight-like vehicles” that do not

meet the true FAR 103 ultralight requirements must be issued an experimental light-sport aircraft (ELSA)

airworthiness certificate prior to January 31, 2008, or they will permanently lose the opportunity

 

Be nice if you could!

 

Terry

LSA Repairman

 

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retasker(at)optonline.net
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Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:12 am Post subject: Anyone here?

He is speaking about RV9s that are in process of being built. They can 

be registered as ELSA when the time comes to register it as long as it 

meets the weight, speed, stall, etc. requirements. You are referring to 

previously existing aircraft that could qualify but were not 

certificated because it was not required and ELSA did not exist.



Dick Tasker



Terry Gardner wrote:

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 Can’t be a ELSA now, it never was built as a ASTM Compliant SLSA like 

 the RV12, so you can no longer register it as a ELSA. Before 

 1/31/2008, you could, and I understand there is at least one RV9 

 registered as an ELSA.



 FAR 21.191 (i)(1) specifies that all existing 

 previously-uncertificated “ultralight-like vehicles” that do not



 meet the true FAR 103 ultralight requirements must be issued an 

 experimental light-sport aircraft (ELSA)



 airworthiness certificate prior to January 31, 2008, or they will 

 permanently lose the opportunity



 Be nice if you could!



 Terry



 LSA Repairman

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