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jacksbird(at)charter.net
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 7:38 pm Post subject: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons



Over the last 9 months that I have been on the "list", the subject of installing larger gas plastic tanks has been fully discussed but some how I missed the final conclusion(s). I am building an Xtra and I'm very close to covering the cage, so knowing the "final" answer is becoming paramount.

Question: Are there "sturdy" (safe) gas tanks available that have a capacity larger the 5 gallons and will fit in the cage without any significant modifications? If so.. would you recommend them? How can I find them?

Again, I don't want to start a debate but rather just understand your personal conclusions.

Thanks in advance for your sharing your wisdom.

John Abbott

ElleryWeld(at)aol.com
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 8:00 pm Post subject: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons



I did find a 10 gallon tank that fit my original firestar with little

modification I purchased it from Air-Tech,inc

Phone

985-536-3994

the Item number is FU825 and it cost me a total of 95.68 tax and all You can

go to there website and get an eye on it before you order one at

www.air-techinc.com

Ellery In Maine

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jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 8:11 pm Post subject: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons



| Question: Are there "sturdy" (safe) gas tanks available that have a

capacity larger the 5 gallons and will fit in the cage without any

significant modifications? If so.. would you recommend them? How can I

find them?

|

| John Abbott

Hi John A/Gang:

I have no personal knowledge of larger plastic tanks that will fit our

airplanes. Perhaps others on the Kolb List will give you some help in

that area.

Most of the folks I know fabricated aluminum tanks to fit their

particular needs.

john h

MKIII

jlbaker(at)telepath.com
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 8:34 pm Post subject: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons



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		   Question: Are there "sturdy" (safe) gas tanks available that have a

capacity larger the 5 gallons and will fit in the cage without any

significant modifications? If so.. would you recommend them? How

can I 	


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		   find them?

	


http://www.ronco-plastics.com/

All these are HDPE plastics, same as the supplied tanks. They have

a size/volume calculator......

Jim Baker

580.788.2779

'71 SV, 492TC

Elmore City, OK

kgbunltd(at)earthlink.net
Guest

Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 8:41 pm Post subject: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons



John, try Summit automotive parts supply, their plastic tanks are designed and used in race cars, have impact resistance, anti-spill valving in case of being inverted and also have electric sending units available, and sizes up to 15 or 20 gallon. i have installed their 5 gallon model in the Piet i am building. also filler cap is large, sealed against spillage and is locking. Gene

david(at)davidlehman.net
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Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 5:55 am Post subject: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons



I just installed the FU820 tank (8 gals.) between the wings and aft of the

front spar carry-through on my Firestar...

http://www.air-techinc.com/catlist.asp?categoryIDfueltanks&typexclusives

It sticks up in the airstream a little, but it's right in front of the 503

recoil starter...

I originally planned that the 8 gal. tank would be the aux. tank to the 6

gal. tank in the cage, but now I think the 8 gal. will be the primary and

the 6 gal. only used for the flights to Bora Bora...

DVD

On 1/5/06, ElleryWeld(at)aol.com <ElleryWeld(at)aol.com> wrote:

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I did find a 10 gallon tank that fit my original firestar with little

modification I purchased it from Air-Tech,inc

Phone

985-536-3994

the Item number is FU825 and it cost me a total of 95.68 tax and all You

can

go to there website and get an eye on it before you order one at

www.air-techinc.com

Ellery In Maine

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blackbird754(at)alltel.ne
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 6:15 am Post subject: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons



Ok , on the fuel tanks....

I know that everyone has been building their own....However, I have replaced

the 2 5 gallon tanks in my Kolbra ...with the 10 gallon from C.G.S. Hawk

...because it has a fuel sump bowl built in it.....it is tall and

rectangular...however I have had to make a few modifications to make it

fit....cost is $ 95.00 plus shipping......

John H. and John W. are right ...I think that I will eventually put a 912 on

it....but for now........I will use the 582 blue head....LOL.

And Paul.P. thanks for some ideas , especially on the dash panel...hope you

don't mind....

Wayne McCullough

lynnp(at)c-gate.net
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Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 6:22 am Post subject: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons



Wayne,

Not a problem at all. I must confess though, The panel was Mark Germans idea

hehehe..

pp

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blackbird754(at)alltel.ne
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 6:33 am Post subject: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons



At least we are on the same page...LOL

Wayne

ElleryWeld(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 7:18 am Post subject: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons



I removed a couple tubes and built a bottom Mount to hold the tank Higher

and that tank it plenty thick without going overboard and it has a great place

to install a drain in the bottom to get all the moisture out on preflights if

you happen to get any

Ellery In Maine

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rsanoa(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 10:57 am Post subject: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons



Why not custom make, fit to usable space, a fibre glass tank. I made my first when I built my Rutan Quickie. Called out by Rutan in the plans. Can't get a better tank designer than Rutan. You use a core material of the dense 1/4 " foam, with one or two layers of light cloth on each side. Easy to put baffles inside before installing the top piece. Various outlet fittings can easily be fixed in place. Mounting brackets can be custom placed. Stronger than metal in a crash situation. I built two others later, one large one for my first UltraStar and all gave good service. All of the proper materials, epoxy, foam and glass are available at all aircraft supply houses such as Aircraft Spruce. You can design to fill every available inch of space.

Ray

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Gene Beenenga <kgbunltd(at)earthlink.net> wrote:

John, try Summit automotive parts supply, their plastic tanks are designed and used in race cars, have impact resistance, anti-spill valving in case of being inverted and also have electric sending units available, and sizes up to 15 or 20 gallon. i have installed their 5 gallon model in the Piet i am building. also filler cap is large, sealed against spillage and is locking. Gene

jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 1:39 pm Post subject: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons



You can design to fill every available inch of space.

| Ray

Ray A/Gang:

You are absolutely right. When one has a little airplane one must use

"every available inch of space". That goes, not only fuel, but all

the other stuff one wants and needs to take with them should they

decide they want to do a little cross country flying, especially

overnight. There is a lot of useable room when one takes advantage of

it. If done improperly, then a lot of space is wasted. The basic

Kolb design was not intended to do extended cross country flying and

carry cargo. Look at all the Kolb Models. The designers did not take

fuel and cargo into consideration. This is left up to the kit builder

should he decide to do more than what Homer Kolb had intended for us

to do with his airplanes. I don't think he ever realized what some of

these little birds would accomplish over the years, especially back in

the dark ages of the early 1980's.

The time to start planning on what you want and need is prior to

building the kit. Once it is completed, it is a little late to start

modifying the original design.

Take care,

john h

lndc(at)fnbcnet.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 2:44 pm Post subject: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons



The alcohol in most auto gas will turn the glass tanks to mush, Or that's

what I'm told. We get 91oct non ox. here but I guess most people don't get

this at their pumps. The non ox won't destroy fiber glass tanks. Do Not

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Dan Charter

Original Firestar

Chisholm MN

jacksbird(at)charter.net
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 6:12 pm Post subject: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons



Thanks everyone for your input. it was very helpful.

dhkey(at)msn.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 6:22 pm Post subject: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons



Wait a minute... I thought the fiberglass tank was a great idea, but certian

gas will ruin the fiberglass gas tank? I consider that a pretty big detail

to leave out. Did I miss something so certian gas will ruin a fiberglass gas

tank?

From: "Dan Charter" <lndc(at)fnbcnet.com>

To: <kolb-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons

Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:44:48 -0600

The alcohol in most auto gas will turn the glass tanks to mush, Or that's

what I'm told. We get 91oct non ox. here but I guess most people don't get

this at their pumps. The non ox won't destroy fiber glass tanks. Do Not

Archive.

Dan Charter

Original Firestar

Chisholm MN

rsanoa(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 7:02 pm Post subject: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons



<<<<Wait a minute... I thought the fiberglass tank was a great idea, but certian gas will ruin the fiberglass gas tank? I consider that a pretty big detail to leave out. Did I miss something so certian gas will ruin a fiberglass gas

tank? >>>>>

lndc(at)fnbcnet.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 7:31 pm Post subject: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons



I'm told that it's just the car gas that's loaded with alcohol. Use non ox

with no problems. I use a plastic tank. Not my personal experience. Do Not

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Airgriff2(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 6:06 am Post subject: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons



http://www.speedwaymotors.com/xq/aspx/display id.2524/qx/product.htm

John & gang, here is the source of the 16 gal tank I installed on my MK3.

This company carries many designs & sizes of fuel cells and tanks. I cut and

installed my vent, fill, guage, and outlet openings to suit my needs. I did need

to cut 2 fuslage tubings to install the tank and sleeved, drilled, and bolted

them back in place.

fly safe

Bob Griffin

rsanoa(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 9:21 am Post subject: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons



Glass.

I have been wanting to build a new tank for FF#007 so If I research the

material I will post it. If anyone else knows, Lend a hand. >>>>>>

Steve

FF#007

orcabonita(at)hotmail.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 5:50 pm Post subject: Gas Tanks larger than 5 gallons



Be careful with autogas and epoxy and foam, as some auto gas will eat right

through that stuff. If there is auto gas safe expoxy, make sure you do your

research and buy the right stuff. I remember reading about an experimental

airplane with built in wing tanks, they ususally used Avgas which was fine,

but when they used auto gas it started eating away the epoxy, and the foam

inside the wing etc. They took off and before they departed the airport

area the wing broke off and killed them..

Michael Bigelow

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