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Hello Kolb Gang:
I am going next week to the Kolb Factory to see about getting an exhaust system made up for my 80- 100hp, 2180 c.c. VW, air-cooled, re-drive conversion engine from Great Plains Aviation Supply. My MKIIIX cage already has the engine mount change necessary for this engine and I am hoping that we can come up with something in the way of an exhaust system that will facilitate others using this great engine. I will keep you posted. Thanks Rick N. for pioneering this idea.
May you all have a blessed and happy New Year.
Bob Green
MKIIIX project
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| Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 8:08 am Post subject: Kolb-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 12/28/11 |
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Bob
Looks great. Seems like the exhaust was one of the few remaining off the shelf parts necessary to have a complete engine package. I installed the stock VW joint, between the J tube/heat exchanger and the rest of in my exhaust because I felt VW must know something. No exhaust pipe cracking so far.
I did talk to the guys at Lord Mounts when I was at Oshkosh last summer and they think there are softer engine mount bushings available. This would be a really good thing to reduce cockpit noise and better isolate engine vibrations. The wide spacing of the mounting bushings should keep the engine from twisting in the mount even with considerably softer bushings. They gave me a name and phone number but I haven't followed up on it and that information isn't available to me till late spring.
I like the cooling scoops. I had forgotten that you had made doors to access the spark plugs, that's a nice touch.
Remember watch you temps on the ground. The engine will over heat quickly when you don't have air flow through the cooling system like you do in the air.
Rick Neilsen
On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 9:38 AM, Bob Green <bgreen(at)bimi.org (bgreen(at)bimi.org)> wrote:
[quote]Hello Kolb Gang:
I am going next week to the Kolb Factory to see about getting an exhaust system made up for my 80- 100hp, 2180 c.c. VW, air-cooled, re-drive conversion engine from Great Plains Aviation Supply. My MKIIIX cage already has the engine mount change necessary for this engine and I am hoping that we can come up with something in the way of an exhaust system that will facilitate others using this great engine. I will keep you posted. Thanks Rick N. for pioneering this idea.
May you all have a blessed and happy New Year.
Bob Green
MKIIIX project[b]
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capedavis(at)yahoo.com
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| Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 2:38 pm Post subject: Kolb-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 12/28/11 |
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Rick and the rest of us Kolbers, I have been thinking about VWs and I was wondering Why did Vw stop making the horiz, opposed engine does any one know? It was getting 25 mpg 40 years ago when the American car were getting 6to 9 mpg. just imagine what kind of mileage they could be getting with today's tech. ?excuse me for being curious. Chris.
Chris Davis
KXP 503 492 hrs
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Disabled from crash building Firefly
From: Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com>
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Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 12/28/11
Bob
Looks great. Seems like the exhaust was one of the few remaining off the shelf parts necessary to have a complete engine package. I installed the stock VW joint, between the J tube/heat exchanger and the rest of in my exhaust because I felt VW must know something. No exhaust pipe cracking so far.
I did talk to the guys at Lord Mounts when I was at Oshkosh last summer and they think there are softer engine mount bushings available. This would be a really good thing to reduce cockpit noise and better isolate engine vibrations. The wide spacing of the mounting bushings should keep the engine from twisting in the mount even with considerably softer bushings. They gave me a name and phone number but I haven't followed up on it and that information isn't available to me till late spring.
I like the cooling scoops. I had forgotten that you had made doors to access the spark plugs, that's a nice touch.
Remember watch you temps on the ground. The engine will over heat quickly when you don't have air flow through the cooling system like you do in the air.
Rick Neilsen
On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 9:38 AM, Bob Green <bgreen(at)bimi.org (bgreen(at)bimi.org)> wrote:
[quote]Hello Kolb Gang:
I am going next week to the Kolb Factory to see about getting an exhaust system made up for my 80- 100hp, 2180 c.c. VW, air-cooled, re-drive conversion engine from Great Plains Aviation Supply. My MKIIIX cage already has the engine mount change necessary for this engine and I am hoping that we can come up with something in the way of an exhaust system that will facilitate others using this great engine. I will keep you posted. Thanks Rick N. for pioneering this idea.
May you all have a blessed and happy New Year.
Bob Green
MKIIIX project
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| Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 3:28 pm Post subject: Kolb-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 12/28/11 |
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At 05:35 PM 12/29/2011, chris davis wrote:
| Quote: | | Rick and the rest of us Kolbers, I have been thinking about VWs and I was wondering Why did Vw stop making the horiz, opposed engine does any one know? It was getting 25 mpg 40 years ago when the American car were getting 6to 9 mpg. just imagine what kind of mileage they could be getting with today's tech. ?excuse me for being curious. Chris. |
VW beetles got better gas mileage than the American monsters of the day because the cars weighed so much less, not because the engine was anything special. However, the simplicity of the air cooled 1940 era technology made it cheap to produce and simple to maintain, which is why they used it.
Today's engines are far more efficient (in fuel efficiency, emissions, and power to weight ratio), but the tight tolerances necessary to achieve that efficiency means water cooling is a must... losting most of the advantages of the flat-four layout. Today only Subaru, as far as I know, uses this layout (though water cooled) and despite their popularity in aircraft, their cars aren't particularly more efficient than others, and they have a reputation for being a pain in the butt and expensive to work on.
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Rick Lewis
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| Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 5:38 pm Post subject: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 12/28/11 |
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I have been meaning to go to the factory also for the same reason. Please, please have them design an exhaust that stays low and out. We don't need anything higher than the engine. I have already designed my own exhaust but if they make one available that leaves the cylinders and goes down, I will buy it.
Also notice those water cooled heads...
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capedavis(at)yahoo.com
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| Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 6:38 pm Post subject: Kolb-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 12/28/11 |
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Dana ,sounds logical VWs got better mileage because they were lighter but a VW bus camper full of camping gear and 4 hippies still got 20 to 25 Mpg and was that lighter than a Ford falcon getting 10 to 12 mpg Im not sure that ads up but we are talking about Kolbs and my original wish was that VW was still building millions of air cooled engines . If they were with todays tech and their design genius what a supply of reliable engines we would have!
Chris
Chris Davis
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From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net>
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At 05:35 PM 12/29/2011, chris davis wrote:
| Quote: | | Rick and the rest of us Kolbers, I have been thinking about VWs and I was wondering Why did Vw stop making the horiz, opposed engine does any one know? It was getting 25 mpg 40 years ago when the American car were getting 6to 9 mpg. just imagine what kind of mileage they could be getting with today's tech. ?excuse me for being curious. Chris. |
VW beetles got better gas mileage than the American monsters of the day because the cars weighed so much less, not because the engine was anything special. However, the simplicity of the air cooled 1940 era technology made it cheap to produce and simple to maintain, which is why they used it.
Today's engines are far more efficient (in fuel efficiency, emissions, and power to weight ratio), but the tight tolerances necessary to achieve that efficiency means water cooling is a must... losting most of the advantages of the flat-four layout. Today only Subaru, as far as I know, uses this layout (though water cooled) and despite their popularity in aircraft, their cars aren't particularly more efficient than others, and they have a reputation for being a pain in the butt and expensive to work on.
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At 09:36 PM 12/29/2011, chris davis wrote:
| Quote: | | Dana ,sounds logical VWs got better mileage because they were lighter but a VW bus camper full of camping gear and 4 hippies still got 20 to 25 Mpg and was that lighter than a Ford falcon getting 10 to 12 mpg Im not sure that ads up but we are talking about Kolbs and my original wish was that VW was still building millions of air cooled engines . If they were with todays tech and their design genius what a supply of reliable engines we would have! |
I think with all the aftermarket parts available there's still no problem building up a brand new VW engine.
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| Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 4:25 pm Post subject: Kolb-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 12/28/11 |
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Cool I like the thing about the Falcon. My mother had a Ford Falcon on which I learned to drive up in Natick Mass, got drunk in it for the first time and basically explored life as a teen ager in it. finally she took it away from me with some yelling, and I bought a Chrysler Imperial 300 in which I kept up the mayhem till I joined the Army. The Falcon was finally rear ended in 1969 it was a 1963 model,,,, I was not the driver....
Never cared about the milage, I filled up the chrysler at Sports Gas station at 29 cents per gallon in Framingham mass, it was owned by "Rico" Petrocelli played for the Red Sox.
Those were the days.
Let me scratch my head and see how to make this Kolb relevant,,, I'll get back on that part.
Ron (at) KFHU
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Completely non Kolb, but I can't resist.
Having owned 6 Econoline vans, 1 Econoline pickup (all seven of the 61 to
67 vintage), 1 Mercury Comet, two Falcons, one Beetle, three VW vans, and a
Thing, I'm not sure where Chris gets his 10 to 12 mpg figures.
61 Econoline with 144 ci six. 25 mpg on the highway despite 60 series fat
tires at all four corners.
62 E with 170 six 18 mpg, but I never could find a decent carb for it.
63 E with 221 V8 18 mpg when the spark plug wires weren't inducting into
the dog house. Great fireworks show.
63 E with 170 six 20 to 22 mpg. Dead stock school bus, bought it right
after high school in '69.
65 E with 170 six 18 mpg another automatic
66 E with 240 six 16 mpg even though the engine was worn out.
67 E pickup with 170 six 18 mpg with almost 300K on the engine. Gave it to
my son when I moved back to Kansas
62 Mercury Comet 18 mpg with a Ford o matic
63 Falcon with 144 six, bought it for the ex as part of the divorce. She
did nothing but bitch about it
65 Falcon two door wagon with 170 six, bought it to put a 289 in it. I just
drove it home with the 170, sold project.
62 VW bug w 1200 40 horse 28 to 30 on the road w 1500 bus engine (early H
series) 25 to 26
68 VW van w balanced and blueprinted 1600 25 mpg with three hang gliders
four people and a Yamaha 80
65 VW van w same engine as the 68 21 to 23 mpg. The Westphalia camper
package added weight and drag.
73 VW van w 1700 type 4 motor 18 to 20 mpg
73 VW Thing 22 mpg unless you turned the gas heater on then 18. Had the
decency to immolate itself.
Rick Girard
On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 9:23 PM, Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> wrote:
| Quote: | At 09:36 PM 12/29/2011, chris davis wrote:
Dana ,sounds logical VWs got better mileage because they were lighter but
a VW bus camper full of camping gear and 4 hippies still got 20 to 25 Mpg
and was that lighter than a Ford falcon getting 10 to 12 mpg Im not sure
that ads up but we are talking about Kolbs and my original wish was that
VW was still building millions of air cooled engines . If they were with
todays tech and their design genius what a supply of reliable engines we
would have!
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I think with all the aftermarket parts available there's still no problem
building up a brand new VW engine.
-Dana
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Engineers build targets.
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