Matronics Email Lists Forum Index Matronics Email Lists
Web Forum Interface to the Matronics Email Lists
 
 Get Email Distribution Too!Get Email Distribution Too!    FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

WD1002 and F1001B alignment

 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Matronics Email Lists Forum Index -> RV10-List
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
jhasbrouck(at)woh.rr.com
Guest





PostPosted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 12:22 pm    Post subject: WD1002 and F1001B alignment Reply with quote

I searched the archive for this problem since I'd seen it before but
couldn't come up with a definite answer. Here's the question. When I look
at the pre-punched holes in the F1001B upper angle and compare to how they
line up with the undrilled upper flange of the WD1002, it's obvious that
I'll run off the edge of the WD1002 with the aft most holes. Pic. attached.
Know some of you contacted Vans about this but never heard the solution. I
can improve the situation a little by loading the bracket ( pulling it
outboard ) but still am not getting more than about 1/16" edge distance, not
enough I think. This is only on the left side, the right will be OK. Want
to solve this problem before going any further and it looks like a new
WD1002L may be that solution. Comments.

John Hasbrouck
#40264


- The Matronics RV10-List Email Forum -
 

Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:

http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List



100_0181_(Medium).JPG
 Description:
 Filesize:  27 KB
 Viewed:  535 Time(s)

100_0181_(Medium).JPG


Back to top
Rick S.



Joined: 12 Feb 2006
Posts: 347
Location: Las Vegas

PostPosted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 1:31 pm    Post subject: WD1002 and F1001B alignment Reply with quote

John,

I think there were a couple of different problems, 1) there were some bad 1002 brackets made and they needed to be exchanged. 2) Vans advised to clamp the leafs of the bracket in the proper orientation prior to drilling. 3) it's just plain very close to minimum edge distance. Your photos a bit blurry, maybe post one that provides a little better angle as to where your seeing the problem, the bracket may be Tango Uniform if the gap is really big compared to the right side where you say there is not a problem. Compare the two brackets to see where the difference might be in manufacture.

Rick S.
40185
Fuse/Finish


- The Matronics RV10-List Email Forum -
 

Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:

http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List

_________________
Rick S.
RV-10
40185
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
jhasbrouck(at)woh.rr.com
Guest





PostPosted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 2:15 pm    Post subject: WD1002 and F1001B alignment Reply with quote

Rick,
I'm trying to get a good picture of this. I've outlined the rivets on
the flange of the WD1002L and R. On the left, the most aft rivet has a
distance to the edge of 1/16" and doesn't get to 1/8" until the 4th rivet
forward. On the right, the edge distance is at least 1/8" all the way. The
flanges of the weldment and the upper angle are not parallel on the left as
they are on the right. I could get better edge distance if I angled the
drill inboard when match drilling but the upper angle flange has a bend that
calls for a more outboard angle. john


- The Matronics RV10-List Email Forum -
 

Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:

http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List



100_0184_(Medium).JPG
 Description:
 Filesize:  32.88 KB
 Viewed:  508 Time(s)

100_0184_(Medium).JPG



100_0185_(Medium).JPG
 Description:
 Filesize:  37.56 KB
 Viewed:  528 Time(s)

100_0185_(Medium).JPG


Back to top
Albert Gardner



Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 453
Location: Yuma, AZ

PostPosted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 3:12 pm    Post subject: WD1002 and F1001B alignment Reply with quote

I just went through this also. I used some clamps to pull the steel flange
fingers in toward the alum channels so that the edge distance would be OK.
Albert Gardner
40-422
Yuma, AZ


- The Matronics RV10-List Email Forum -
 

Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:

http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List

_________________
RV-9A N872RV
RV-10 N991RV
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
jesse(at)itecusa.org
Guest





PostPosted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 4:00 pm    Post subject: WD1002 and F1001B alignment Reply with quote

We ran into very much the same problem on N256H and N415EC. On the latter,
we clamped the bracket to move it into position, then drilled and clecoed
every hole while check edge distance. It came out just fine.

Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse(at)itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285

--


- The Matronics RV10-List Email Forum -
 

Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:

http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
Back to top
Deems Davis



Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 925

PostPosted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 6:40 pm    Post subject: WD1002 and F1001B alignment Reply with quote

I did the same ( after screwing up the 1st one)

Deems Davis # 406
Fuse
http://deemsrv10.com/

Albert Gardner wrote:

Quote:

I just went through this also. I used some clamps to pull the steel flange
fingers in toward the alum channels so that the edge distance would be OK.
Albert Gardner
40-422
Yuma, AZ









- The Matronics RV10-List Email Forum -
 

Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:

http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
jhasbrouck(at)woh.rr.com
Guest





PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 5:55 am    Post subject: WD1002 and F1001B alignment Reply with quote

Thanks for all the replies and especially to Rick for his telephone
consultation! Another example of how helpfull this list is. BTW: I primed
everything using a wallpaper paste and goat cheese blend. Seems to adhere
well but smells a little when it gets hot. I'm told that will go away over
time. Thanks again........john


- The Matronics RV10-List Email Forum -
 

Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:

http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
Back to top
Tim(at)MyRV10.com
Guest





PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 6:24 am    Post subject: WD1002 and F1001B alignment Reply with quote

John, I'd heard about the wallpaper paste + goat cheese primers, but
when I tried them on the Vertical Stab, I was not impressed with
their scent. It's truly awful. So I switched to something that worked
out real well for the rest of the build.... 80% used french fry grease,
10% Jello Gelatin (clear unscented), and 10% baking soda. It sticks
well, and flows into the little crannies and smells like a McDonalds.
I am having slight problems when I park outside unfenced airfields
though, as local wildlife is sometimes found inside the plane, licking
the interior.

Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
John Hasbrouck wrote:
Quote:


Thanks for all the replies and especially to Rick for his telephone
consultation! Another example of how helpfull this list is. BTW: I
primed everything using a wallpaper paste and goat cheese blend. Seems
to adhere well but smells a little when it gets hot. I'm told that will
go away over time. Thanks again........john








- The Matronics RV10-List Email Forum -
 

Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:

http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
Back to top
rvbuilder(at)sausen.net
Guest





PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 8:50 am    Post subject: WD1002 and F1001B alignment Reply with quote

I had a better use for all that French fry grease I got to prime with, get a Deltahawk or Innodyn and convert to biodiesel.  I figure I can get gig's flying over stadiums using the smell of my exhaust to increase sales of greasy foods.  Oh wait, I forgot.  Deltahawk, Innodyn, and flying over stadiums are all pipe dreams. 

HEHE

Michael Sausen
RV-10 #352 Working on Fuselage
Do Not Archive

--


- The Matronics RV10-List Email Forum -
 

Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:

http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
Back to top
Andy Turner



Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 31
Location: Clarion, PA

PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2010 6:05 pm    Post subject: Re: WD1002 and F1001B alignment Reply with quote

Bringing this old thread back to life in order to document my saga and solution. First time around drilling the firewall brackets, I ended up with insufficient edge distance on the upper flange of the upper (wd-1002) bracket - actually no edge distance. I removed the upper firewall brackets in order to replace them, but had a hard time figuring out what what went wrong. The base of wd-1002 sits on the firewall, partially on top of the base of f-1001b, so these two parts are tied tightly together. The flange of the wd-1002 isn't close to parallel to the f-1001b (see photo, orange tape added for contrast), and since they are rivited together at their bases, there isn't much scope for applying pressure to bring them in line without exerting substantial preloading to the firewall rivets.

Scott Risan was good enough to send me new brackets, so today I clecoed up the right side one, and it looked nice. Edge parallel to the F-1001B. I smiled and clecoed up the left side, only to find that it was quite non-parallel, and there would be no way to get good edge distance. Quit smiling. Eventually discovered, as I was playing with them on the table top, that the base of the W-1002L was ever so slightly rockered across the horizontal axis. Because all the rivet holes across the top are on one side of the rocker, it pitches the flange arm inboard. I threw the bracket into a vice and bent the base just a bit, then did a little filing of that thick powdercoat, till the base (forward side of the weldment) sat flat on the table. Re-clecoed it, and it looks good enough. The high spot on the forward face of the base that caused the rocker is associated with the welding on the aft side.

So, this problem is solved, I post here to alert other builders to be prepared to check the W-1002 for a flat base and tweak if necessary. I also note though that even though my W-1002 bracket arms are now parallel with the F-1001B, they sit 1/16 inboard of the outer edge of the F-1001B. The prepunched rivet holes in the F-1001B that serve as the drilling template are right at 2 edge diameters, so edge space is really at a premium here. Be careful!


- The Matronics RV10-List Email Forum -
 

Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:

http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List



problem.jpg
 Description:
 Filesize:  61.61 KB
 Viewed:  6348 Time(s)

problem.jpg



_________________
Andy Turner
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
rv10flyer



Joined: 25 Aug 2009
Posts: 364

PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2010 7:41 pm    Post subject: Re: WD1002 and F1001B alignment Reply with quote

Thanks for the info guys. I will be doing this in a few days.

- The Matronics RV10-List Email Forum -
 

Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:

http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List

_________________
Wayne G.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Matronics Email Lists Forum Index -> RV10-List All times are GMT - 8 Hours
Page 1 of 1

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum


Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group