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mbima(at)hydro.mb.ca
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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 10:41 am Post subject: Small Vs. Big - small plane builders pep talk ...

I have nothing against the big airplanes - I take my family for rides

and was trained in a 172 (rental) - a real gentleman's airplane.



BUT ...



A friend of mine recently learned he has to put about $15,000 into his

Piper Arrow engine because it sits around all of the time, and only

turns over about 5-10 hours per year. 



Why? Not very fun flying around the local patch in a rocket.

I have the same conversation each year with the same group of 4-5 local

ultralight pilots. 



They all get laughed at by the big boys with their Bonanzas and

Buck82's. But while the big boys cruise an hour to the left and right

twice a year, these UL guys are putting up 20-30 hours a month in the

summer and a few of them them half that in the winter on skis.

Big Boys to UL's: Why don't you fly a "REAL" airplane. 



UL's to Big Boys" Why don't you "FLY" a real airplane.



I am building a small and slow aircraft to do the kind of flying I will

do most often - putt-putting around the local forests, beaches,

sand-dunes, etc. If I ever want to fly 2000 miles from here in a hurry,

I'll jump on a 737.

KEEP ON BUILDING - PROUDLY !!!!





Martin Bima

Winnipeg

STOLVAIR 701

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stutzman(at)stutzman.com
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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 11:25 am Post subject: Small Vs. Big - small plane builders pep talk ...

On Wed, 28 Mar 2007, Bima, Martin wrote:



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 	  Quote: 	
		   A friend of mine recently learned he has to put about $15,000 into his

 Piper Arrow engine because it sits around all of the time, and only

 turns over about 5-10 hours per year.



 Why? Not very fun flying around the local patch in a rocket.



 They all get laughed at by the big boys with their Bonanzas and

 Buck82's. But while the big boys cruise an hour to the left and right

 twice a year, these UL guys are putting up 20-30 hours a month in the

 summer and a few of them them half that in the winter on skis.



 I am building a small and slow aircraft to do the kind of flying I will

 do most often - putt-putting around the local forests, beaches,

 sand-dunes, etc. If I ever want to fly 2000 miles from here in a hurry,

 I'll jump on a 737.


	


Personally, I think every one ought to have at least two planes.



I'm planning on building a 701 simply because it is so very un-like my 

Bonanza.  The Bo is fast and confortable for the twice a month 2+ hour 

trips I routinely make.  Doing the same in a 701 would be painful at best. 

On the other hand the Bonanza is just plain wasteful when I just want to 

go, as you say, "putt-putting around".



Now I suppose if I could find an expermental that could land and t/o in 

less than 300 feet, cruise at over 150 mph, burn less than 5 gallons an

hour and have a useful load over 800 lbs, I could live with just one 

plane.  I am unaware of any such animal and I don't think it exists.



Frank Stutzman

Bonanza N494B "Hula Girl"

Hood River, OR (soon to be Boise, ID)

jhstarn(at)verizon.net
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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 12:04 pm Post subject: Small Vs. Big - small plane builders pep talk ...

With the term "rocket" one would hope your not referring to an HRII Harmon 

Rocket but rather a Piper Arrow. Having flown both I can assure you that the 

fully aerobatic HRII is fun to fly around the pond. Piper Arrow is a nice 

airplane but it's no Rocket or "rocket". We have a newly completed "V" 

tailed Sonex to add to our homebuilts at APV, flying off his time every day.

KABONG  HRII N561FS Do Not Archive.



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		   A friend of mine recently learned he has to put about $15,000 into his

 Piper Arrow engine because it sits around all of the time, and only

 turns over about 5-10 hours per year.



 Why? Not very fun flying around the local patch in a rocket.

Gig Giacona

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1416
Location: El Dorado Arkansas USA

Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 1:01 pm Post subject: Re: Small Vs. Big - small plane builders pep talk ...

My hanger neighbors got a Bo A-36 about a year or so ago. The two partners were required to get 25 hours each of dual in it for insurance. Cost them a fortune in AvGas. 



If they fly a couple of hour a month now it was a busy month. Before they had an Archer they each flew it at least five or six hours a month and almost always just came out and flew on the weekends for the fun of it. They never just fly around the patch anymore.



Kinda sad.

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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 2:28 pm Post subject: Small Vs. Big - small plane builders pep talk ...

Geez.. my 801 can do one of those things consistantly. I can do 150,,,, headed straight down, and I can burn 5 GPH during decent. One out of three isn't all too bad. <G>

Ben Haas

N801BH

www.haaspowerair.com



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On Wed, 28 Mar 2007, Bima, Martin wrote:



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		   --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bima, Martin" <mbima(at)hydro.mb.ca>


	


 	  Quote: 	
		   A friend of mine recently learned he has to put about $15,000 into his

 Piper Arrow engine because it sits around all of the time, and only

 turns over about 5-10 hours per year.



 Why? Not very fun flying around the local patch in a rocket.



 They all get laughed at by the big boys with their Bonanzas and

 Buck82's. But while the big boys cruise an hour to the left and right

 twice a year, these UL guys are putting up 20-30 hours a month in the

 summer and a few of them them half that in the winter on skis.



 I am building a small and slow aircraft to do the kind of flying I will

 do most often - putt-putting around the local forests, beaches,

 sand-dunes, etc. If I ever want to fly 2000 miles from here in a hurry,

 I'll jump on a 737.


	


Personally, I think every one ought to have at least two planes.



I'm planning on building a 701 simply because it is so very un-like my 

Bonanza.  The Bo is fast and confortable for the twice a month 2+ hour 

trips I routinely make.  Doing the same in a 701 would be painful at best. 

On the other hand the Bonanza is just plain wasteful when I just want to 

go, as you say, "putt-putting around".



Now I suppose if I could find an expermental that could land and t/o in 

less than 300 feet, cruise at over 150 mph, burn less than 5 gallons an

hour and have a useful load over 800 lbs, I could live with just one 

plane.  I am unaware of any such animal and I don't think it exists.



Frank Stutzman

Bonanza N494B "Hula Girl"

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planecrazydld(at)yahoo.co
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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 3:22 pm Post subject: Small Vs. Big - small plane builders pep talk ...

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  Hey frank, a "small block" RV can get mighty close to that. Everybody forgets that those airframes do really well with an O-235 up front - they just don't climb like homesick angels...



Frank Stutzman <stutzman(at)stutzman.com> wrote:

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On Wed, 28 Mar 2007, Bima, Martin wrote:



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		   --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bima, Martin" 


	


 	  Quote: 	
		   A friend of mine recently learned he has to put about $15,000 into his

 Piper Arrow engine because it sits around all of the time, and only

 turns over about 5-10 hours per year.



 Why? Not very fun flying around the local patch in a rocket.



 They all get laughed at by the big boys with their Bonanzas  and

 Buck82's. But while the big boys cruise an hour to the left and right

 twice a year, these UL guys are putting up 20-30 hours a month in the

 summer and a few of them them half that in the winter on skis.



 I am building a small and slow aircraft to do the kind of flying I will

 do most often - putt-putting around the local forests, beaches,

 sand-dunes, etc. If I ever want to fly 2000 miles from here in a hurry,

 I'll jump on a 737.


	


Personally, I think every one ought to have at least two planes.



I'm planning on building a 701 simply because it is so very un-like my 

Bonanza. The Bo is fast and confortable for the twice a month 2+ hour 

trips I routinely make. Doing the same in a 701 would be painful at best. 

On the other hand the Bonanza is just plain wasteful when I just want to 

go, as you say, "putt-putting around".



Now I suppose if I could find an expermental that could  No need to miss a message. [url=http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=43910/*http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail ]Get email on-the-go [/url]

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Tim Juhl

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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 3:23 pm Post subject: Re: Small Vs. Big - small plane builders pep talk ...

My experience has been, the bigger the plane the less often it flys.  For most of my flying career I have owned two planes.  A 172 and later a 182 for XC flying and a Aeronca Champ for fun.   The last year I owned the 182 I think I flew it 20 hours..... there was something inhibiting about pumping gas into a plane the burned a steady 13 gallons per hour.   In my travels I have criss-crossed much of N. America and am hoping to do so again.  My choice for this is the 601 XL, which albeit small and lightweight, I believe to be a very capable airplane.  Hopefully experience will prove me correct.



We have a group of six guys on the field that went in together and bought a Cherokee six.  All but two of them are very low time pilots and the insurance company won't let them fly as PIC until they get more hours.  Needless to say, those of us with lesser planes are having all the fun.



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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:30 pm Post subject: Small Vs. Big - small plane builders pep talk ...

Frank,

  

 When you find it let me know!!!

  

 Bob Spudis

  

 In a message dated 3/28/2007 3:26:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  stutzman(at)stutzman.com writes:

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		  Now I    suppose if I could find an expermental that could land and t/o in 

less    than 300 feet, cruise at over 150 mph, burn less than 5 gallons an

hour and    have a useful load over 800 lbs, I could live with just one 

plane.  I    am unaware of any such animal and I don't think it exists.



Frank    Stutzman

Bonanza N494B "Hula Girl"

Hood River, OR (soon to be Boise,    ID)

	


 

  



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stutzman(at)stutzman.com
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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 8:25 pm Post subject: Small Vs. Big - small plane builders pep talk ...

On Wed, 28 Mar 2007, David Downey wrote:



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  Hey frank, a "small block" RV can get mighty close to that. Everybody 

 forgets that those airframes do really well with an O-235 up front - 

 they just don't climb like homesick angels...


	


Yup, there are a fair number of things that get fairly close, but nothing 

that meets ALL of those requirements.  If there was, we all would be 

flying one.



Also you shouldn't judge how much a plane flys by how often you see it in 

the pattern.  I think most of the denziens of my airport think my plane 

doesn't fly that often.  The fact of the matter is I put on more hours 

than many of the local super cubs.  I just do it on 2+ hour cross 

countries rather than 2+ hours bouncing around within 30 miles of the home 

drome.



Frank Stutzman

Bonanza N494B     "Hula Girl"

Hood River, OR    (soon to be Boise, ID)

hansriet

Joined: 09 Feb 2007
Posts: 93

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 10:50 am Post subject: Re: Small Vs. Big - small plane builders pep talk ...

[quote="Tim Juhl"]We have a group of six guys on the field that went in together and bought a Cherokee six.  All but two of them are very low time pilots and the insurance company won't let them fly as PIC until they get more hours.  Needless to say, those of us with lesser planes are having all the fun.



Tim Juhl[/quote]



I concur. I always thought that flying higher, faster and with more avionics was the bomb. Until I took lessons for my seaplane rating. It was in a beat up C152 with a 150 hp engine, no gyros. In three  days we didn't have the radio on one single time (unheard of when you're normally flying in SoCal) and we were never higher than 500 ft AGL. It was the best flying experience in my life. 



Hans van Riet

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