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zodierocket(at)hsfx.ca
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 Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 8:43 am Post subject: accident |
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I have read everything that has been discussed, my view has been stated
by others so I have little to add. I tried to discuss what-if's and
maybe so's in the past as a builder like yourselves. However, my name is
attached to Company line, so I must only speak of the facts I know. At
present All I have heard is from this list. Zenith does not brief me on
such issues and I only get involved when Transport Canada calls upon me,
so if anything happens outside of Canada, I'm useless for information.
The last time I made a statement about aerobatics in a 601 I was flamed
personally and online. Something about stepping on personal freedoms. I
have voiced my opinion in the past, I will be flying my 601XL very soon
and I will enjoy it very much. I choose this plane for my children to
learn in, I will be letting my daughter learn this fall. The boy has to
grow up a little more.
Have we heard of accidents in the past with 601's, yes, every make has
had builders mistakes and pilot errors, this is the human nature, that
is why I am a big proponent to having as many inspections as necessary
to make you feel confident. For some reason it is possible to run out of
gas in an hours flight or just out doing circuits.
Now we are hearing more 601XL's, this would also be expected, remember
there are more 601XL kits out there then the 601 UL, HD and HDS
combined. The AMD facility is pumping out flying birds at an
extraordinary rate and we are backed up in builders assistance and we
have a waiting list for Ready to Fly planes. Not to mention 601XL QBK's
and kits with mostly pre-drilled holes. The old 601 kits came with plans
and a few bent pieces.
SO if I am going to hear about an accident in a 601 then I expect it to
be an XL by about 80%, this is solely due to numbers flying and hours
being flown on them, personally I believe there is 10 hours XL flying
time for every hour put into the HD.
It is also because the plane is capable of reaching it's limits, the
601HD and HDS would have a hard time reaching Vne in a dive, the XL is
fully capable of surpassing it. I even remember someone on this list
spouting on the fact that his XL made it to 200mph+ in a dive! Isn't the
Vne 180, who would we blame if his wings came off?
Others seeing video's from you tube showing loops and hammerheads and
tail overs, are these moves possible? Yes, I believe so, but by those
who know how and how to be safe in doing so. Unfortunately, people with
no experience in aerobatic recovery, but built up confidence in the
plane will try these maneuvers. Others will continually fly their plane
near the edges and over time fatigue the structure.
Fly your plane into a T-Storm, many Cessna parts from that mistake have
been found on the ground.
Will we hear anything soon, I doubt it, the FAA must be the ones to make
judgment. They are the ones you need to pressure. I can't offer any
information, and now I can't even offer opinions, and that is really
hard for me.
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started
www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
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paulrod36(at)msn.com
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 10:33 am Post subject: accident |
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<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]--> Actually, there is a practical way to end the controversy, but it would be expensive......and somewhat dangerous Equip an XL with a BRS chute, and the pilot, an experienced skydiver, with a personal chute. Install a recording G-meter Take the plane up to safe altitude, and stress it to destruction. Only empirical evidence will prove the point. But is it really feasible? Personally, I would rather fly with devout cowardice.
Paul Rodriguez
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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zodierocket(at)hsfx.ca
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 3:17 pm Post subject: accident |
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Oh Please, I know Chris has spin tested and flutter tested every plane he has designed. I have included an article at the bottom of this letter, this article is a re-print from 91. It is just as valid today. It is long but it outlines everything and the philosophies of Chris and the business. Please take the time to read it. Chris goes way beyond the necessary steps in his designs to ensure a safe plane for people to learn on and enjoy for many years.
I am intrigued that Chris is going to destroy another 601 in a stress test, he doesn’t have to in my mind the first test and the math are well documented and above industry standards. However, I feel that he is likely doing it for you folks, All accidents in the last 14 mos I believe have been explained or can be, unfortunately the FAA isn’t going to be clear in it’s posted findings. No matter, Chris is going to take the steps necessary to make everyone feel better.
One thing I’m sure about, not many companies in this industry will go that extra step. But that is part of the reasons why you choose a Chris Heintz design, you know in the end you can trust the man behind the design.
Mark Townsend
Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.
president(at)can-zacaviation.com (president(at)can-zacaviation.com)
www.can-zacaviation.com
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Tim Juhl
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 4:34 pm Post subject: Re: accident |
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Mark - I couldn't see where the document you mentioned was attached. Could you send it again please?
Tim
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 2:15 am Post subject: accident |
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