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jesse(at)saintaviation.co
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 Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 9:36 am Post subject: If money were no object which Lycoming-style engine would y |
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| Quote: | From all my research and talking to people, BPA would be the way to go.
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Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc
jesse(at)saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
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Leather interior kit for the RV-10 -
www.saintaviation.com/interior
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ricksked(at)embarqmail.co
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| Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 1:51 pm Post subject: If money were no object which Lycoming-style engine would y |
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You need to talk to Monty, Allen or Rhonda at BPA, they do more than just slap your engine together. Yes it a few thousand more for the stock IO-540 I have, the cold air system will get you about 25 more ponies and it is more expensive to purchase and to operate..>>fuel consumption. Give them a call, they will advise you without bias and are some of the nicest and knowlegable folks out there. I feel very confident when the time comes to make this plane fly, the engine will perform as advertised.
Besides, you get a cool T-shirt, don't tell them your size...send a picture and Rhonda will guess the size...she used to be in the Carnivals you know. Normally I would warn you off about dealing with Carnies...but she's a good one. 
Disregard the Cosmo 20B advice from Bob, I've been watching his progress, but he's right.....the Mazda does make you go Hmmmmmm, of course so does a deadstick landing. 
Rick S.
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Kellym
Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1705
Location: Sun Lakes AZ
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| Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 9:02 pm Post subject: If money were no object which Lycoming-style engine would y |
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Thank you. That answers the question directly...how they perform when a
problem crops up, not the 99% of the time that there is no problem. That
is the real test of a company and obviously the few firms mentioned here
pass the test.
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Thought I'd pass on my experience with Aerosport. Not flying a -10 (yet) but have a 7A that I've been flying since 2004. I bought my engine for my 7A from a guy in Texas who had bought the engine from Aerosport. He had decided not to finish the 8 that he had started. Engine had never been installed on the 8 so basically he shipped it to me and I was the first install....
This engine is a IO360A1B6... guess what... remember the AD from Lycoming requiring replacement of the crankshaft. Well, the crank in my engine was one that had to be replaced. I called Lycoming a couple times and just got a run around because it was in an experimental engine. (this was only a couple years ago but before Lycoming had the "X" permintal engines). I was getting no satisfaction from Lycoming directly and the term "screwed" was beginning to ring loud in my mind.
I called Aerosport hoping they could help me convince Lycoming to help a little. The answer I got from Aerosport was truly amazing from my perspective.....
Sue at Aerosport was very direct  ... "When you get ready to pull the engine... you just let me know and I'll send you a bill of lading and arrange for pickup. You let us worry about Lycoming. We'll pay the shipping both ways. Just let us know a couple weeks ahead of when you plan to pull the engine and we'll put it to the front of the line and get the engine back asap".
I did exactly that, they did exactly what they said would and I'm one extremely happy in-direct customer. I'm seriously considering starting a -10 this winter (once the weather gets too nasty to fly much in Iowa) and the first place I'll look for another engine is Aerosport.
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Doug
RV7A flying ~500hrs
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Tim Olson
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| Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 4:51 am Post subject: If money were no object which Lycoming-style engine would y |
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I've been 99% trouble free, but had lots of questions for Aerosport
along the way and they always went way out to help me with anything.
I had a nicked gasket under my oil pressure adjuster, and although they
were just cheap parts and I told them I would just order some and
replace them, they still insisted in sending me a couple. I wasn't
sure of the size and they wanted to make sure that I got the right
ones if my order was wrong. Not only that, but they included a kit
with a couple of expendables that I'd need. Fantastic service.
As for shipping, when I was getting engine quotes, for some reason
the shipping cost to get the engine from them in Canada was far
cheaper than the shipping cost to get it from the central US to
Wisconsin. That was strange, but showed me that they must know what
they're doing with deliveries. I picked it up at OSH and saved
even that shipping though.
Now that it's flown for 260 hours, I plan to do some test flights
after cleaning my injectors and see how tightly matched I can get
them. Bart's policy is that you can fly and get flow data on them,
and he'll send you injectors to install to swap out a couple and
you can just send them back if they work better. So you can get
GAMI precision, with zero cost of swapping injectors. They also
sold it with flow balanced injectors, and they seem to be very close
after installation...the engine runs smooth LOP.
So nothing against any other engine place. We all hear great things
about BPA, and America's Aircraft Engines, but based on what I've
seen this time around, I'm going back to Aerosport. In fact at OSH
I asked rebuild questions just to get the long-term heads up, since
it looks like this engine isn't going to last me 20 years at the rate
I'm flying.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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The McGough Family wrote:
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My first engine developed a slight oil leak at one of the cylinders.
There fix was get it fixed anywhere I like and they will pay the bill.
No dramas at all and could not ask for more
I am in Australia
regards Chris
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Mike Whisky
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Tim Olson
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| Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 6:03 am Post subject: If money were no object which Lycoming-style engine would y |
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Michael, yes, I'm sorry I didn't run into you either! They did
leave me some Chocolate, that was great! It's very hard to
accomplish anywhere near what you think you can when you go to OSH.
I do know of at least 2 other -10 builders that bought TMX engines
on the same day at OSH, so they're definitely another one of the
popular ones, and most experiences I hear are positive as well.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Michael Wellenzohn wrote:
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I ordered a TMX-540 at Oshkosh. Anyone flying a ten with the TMX?
Since I want to stay as close to the certified engine due to swiss
regulations I chose Mattituck and they will support me to satisfy the
swiss authorities with and provide all required documentation etc.
(Tim sorry I couldn't meet you, Osh was overwhelming I hardly managed
to see everything I had on my list. Hope your wife and daughters left
some swiss chocolate for you too )
Michael
-------- RV-10 builder (wings) #511
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rvbuilder(at)sausen.net
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| Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 6:18 am Post subject: If money were no object which Lycoming-style engine would y |
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As I have a Barrett engine I’m a bit biased, so take what I say with a grain of salt. But I spent a fair amount of time looking at the various engine builders out there and you can safely pick any one of them and probably never really have to worry. Aerosport was probably my second choice but I have a problem with sending money out of the country if I can support a company in the US without sacrificing quality or service. At the time I was shopping I also knew of one builder that had some problems with a rebuilt Aerosport having mismatched parts and they ended up going with a “new” experimental from them. But I’m sure that is the exception more than the rule. BPE’s workmanship is absolutely top notch and they are always willing to answer your questions.
When I looked at the engine builders out there, and compared the prices, the prices usually averaged out once you took what was included from one compared to what was extra from another. Don’t just look at the sticker price, look at exactly what is included. Besides having an excellent reputation, Barrett will give you an honest answer to any question even if it might not be in their best interest. They also build competition winning engines for several big names so you know they can take a beating. Any of the 6 shops that are authorized to build a new Lycoming “X” engine will be a good choice but Barrett won out for me.
Michael Sausen
-10 #352 Limbo
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of jdalton77
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 11:24 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: If money were no object which Lycoming-style engine would you buy?
Is Barrett Precision Engines high price worth the money? Is it safer, faster, stronger, lighter as advertised?
How about the Lycoming X series?
Others?
If cost were not the main factor, but quality, reliability, safety, and weight were, which would you like, regardless of cost?
Jeff Dalton
Wings
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Tim Olson
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| Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 7:11 am Post subject: If money were no object which Lycoming-style engine would y |
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Great deal! But, Let's all be hoping that nobody has to get
a chance to see the warranty support. So far from the
sounds of it, everyone's RV-10 engine from these few dealers
has been a very very good experience. Now if we can only keep
the pilots skills and attitudes under control we should
show a very good damage track record as well.
Hope to see about 40 at OSH2008. It's been running at about
25% of the flying number so far, so that seems reasonable by
that time.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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AirMike wrote:
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I just ordered the Mattituck IO-540 Red/Gold pkg at OSH. I just want
a all new 260hp quality engine that I will not have any problems
with. They had a great deal for the OSH crowd (-$500 plus free USA
shipping) and they seem to be really behind the Red/Gold program.
Their warranty is better than Lycoming's (3 yrs from engine start)
and they are very flexible on the delivery (any time this year). The
engine includes a lot of value added bells and whistles including
irridium plugs. There were at least 3 RV10's at OSH with the Red?gold
package from Mattituck. I never saw the aerosport or BPE booths at
OSH, so I did not get their presentation, but they are there.
Guess that I will just have to see how the engine runs and warranty
support.
-------- OSH '08 or Bust
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