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jfitzsy(at)stny.rr.com
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Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 8:19 am Post subject: Gonna be flyier

Gettin a Firestar II hopefully on Sunday. Has  Cayuna, ULII-02. Seems to run fine-- been sittin a couple years. Need to find  where to buy pins and keeper clips for wings and struts etc. Also where to find  best fuel lines and clamps. Lines are hard and cracked.

 Life long dream- had to wait till mid 50's to  start. Wife harpin about insurance, Will an all that stuff. Jut wantin to jump  in it an teach myself to fly it. Even built a strip, bout 700'.  Real bad  case of the itch.

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captainron1(at)cox.net
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Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 8:31 am Post subject: Gonna be flyier

Good for you 

most here are of the older generation.

just make sure you get good 2 cycle oil, and be rather richer with the ratio than poorer with the ratio, a bit more oil is better than a bit less oil in the mix. Ace hardware has pins, or if you want aircraft quality go to aircraftspruce.com.



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---- James Fitzsimmons <jfitzsy(at)stny.rr.com> wrote: 



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Gettin a Firestar II hopefully on Sunday. Has Cayuna, ULII-02. Seems to run fine-- been sittin a couple years. Need to find where to buy pins and keeper clips for wings and struts etc. Also where to find best fuel lines and clamps. Lines are hard and cracked.

Life long dream- had to wait till mid 50's to start. Wife harpin about insurance, Will an all that stuff. Jut wantin to jump in it an teach myself to fly it. Even built a strip, bout 700'.  Real bad case of the itch.

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jfitzsy(at)stny.rr.com
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Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 9:04 am Post subject: Gonna be flyier

We have an Ace hardware here, an since you mentioned them 1st maybe dont 

need ones with the A on end. 1/4" pins any way. Dont know the mix ratio (no 

book) an no response from Kolb Co. Hey what about the keeper clips. Thanks 

fer response. New to list.

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d-m-hague(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 9:08 am Post subject: Gonna be flyier

At 12:30 PM 8/8/2007, Ron wrote:

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		  ...Ace hardware has pins, or if you want aircraft quality go to 

aircraftspruce.com.


	


Yikes!  You DON'T want to buy wing attach pins from a hardware store!



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                         -Dana

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"The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public

debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom tempered and

controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest

Rome become bankrupt" -Cicero, 68 B.C.

d-m-hague(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 9:08 am Post subject: Gonna be flyier

At 12:18 PM 8/8/2007, James Fitzsimmons wrote:

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		  Gettin a Firestar II hopefully on Sunday. Has Cayuna, ULII-02. Seems to run fine-- been sittin a couple years. Need to find where to buy pins and keeper clips for wings and struts etc. Also where to find best fuel lines and clamps. Lines are hard and cracked. 	


 A Firestar with a Cuyuna???  Doesn't sound right.



 Aircraft Spruce for hardware.  There are less expensive places but AS is super easy to deal with.



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		  Life long dream- had to wait till mid 50's to start. Wife harpin about insurance, Will an all that stuff. Jut wantin to jump in it an teach myself to fly it. Even built a strip, bout 700'.  Real bad case of the itch. 	


 If you're talking about life insurance, get it BEFORE you fly at all, then the rate's locked in.  Try getting it after you're flying, the rates will double.



                                 -Dana

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 "The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public

 debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom tempered and

 controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest

 Rome become bankrupt" -Cicero, 68 B.C.    [quote][b]

jindoguy(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 9:34 am Post subject: Gonna be flyier

You can get circular safety clips from McMaster.com. 



Rick



On 8/8/07, Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net  (d-m-hague(at)comcast.net)> wrote:[quote] At 12:18 PM 8/8/2007, James Fitzsimmons wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		  Gettin a Firestar II hopefully on Sunday. Has Cayuna, ULII-02. Seems to run fine-- been sittin a couple years. Need to find where to buy pins and keeper clips for wings and struts etc. Also where to find best fuel lines and clamps. Lines are hard and cracked. 	


 A Firestar with a Cuyuna???  Doesn't sound right.



 Aircraft Spruce for hardware.  There are less expensive places but AS is super easy to deal with.



  	  Quote: 	
		  Life long dream- had to wait till mid 50's to start. Wife harpin about insurance, Will an all that stuff. Jut wantin to jump in it an teach myself to fly it. Even built a strip, bout 700'.  Real bad case of the itch. 	


 If you're talking about life insurance, get it BEFORE you fly at all, then the rate's locked in.  Try getting it after you're flying, the rates will double.



                                 -Dana

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mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.co
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Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 9:51 am Post subject: Gonna be flyier

If you don't go out and get EXPERT ultralight training, BEFORE you try to 

fly your own, you will most likely end up as a statistic.   Simply put:  You 

could die, or be severely injured, without proper training.

  Use ONLY aircraft hardware in an aircraft.  No matter how flimsy, 

light-weight, or basic an "Ultralight" is, it is STILL an aircraft!  When a 

bolt or pins gives out, the end result will NOT be good!   The testing and 

manufacturing processes for "AN" and "MIL" spec hardware are far superior to 

anything you can buy at a hardware store.



   Time, and time again, guys go out and get "Ultralights (and hang gliders, 

too)" and since there is no "license" required, they interpret that to mean 

"NO (formal)TRAINING REQUIRED."   They strap themselves in, and go blasting 

off into the wild blue yonder, and in many cases...CRASH HARD!!!

And then the News comes along, and says "Damn, those Ultralights (hang 

gliders) sure are UNSAFE!!"



   Please do yourself, and all of us a big favor.  Get proper training, and 

use only quality aircraft parts to build your airplane.   Fly solo if, and 

when, your Instructor says you're ready.    And, then go have fun!

                                  Mike in SW Utah



PS.   One of my favorite saying goes something like this;   "Flying is NO 

more unsafe than many other activities, however, it is incredibly 

UNFORGIVING of mistakes."



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		  From: "James Fitzsimmons" <jfitzsy(at)stny.rr.com>

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Subject: Gonna be flyier

Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 12:18:50 -0400



Gettin a Firestar II hopefully on Sunday. Has Cayuna, ULII-02. Seems to run 

fine-- been sittin a couple years. Need to find where to buy pins and 

keeper clips for wings and struts etc. Also where to find best fuel lines 

and clamps. Lines are hard and cracked.

Life long dream- had to wait till mid 50's to start. Wife harpin about 

insurance, Will an all that stuff. Jut wantin to jump in it an teach myself 

to fly it. Even built a strip, bout 700'.  Real bad case of the itch.


	


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Arksey(at)aol.com
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Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 10:21 am Post subject: Gonna be flyier

I second what mike told you....also call the Kolb factory you  can get a lot of the stuff you would need from them. There Ph is  606-862-9692.

 jim swan firestar ll 503 N663S Michigan

  

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 Kolb-List message posted by: "Mike Welch"  <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com>

  If you don't go out and get  EXPERT ultralight training, BEFORE you try to 

fly your own, you will most  likely end up as a statistic.   Simply put:  You 

could die,  or be severely injured, without proper training.

  



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beauford173(at)verizon.ne
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Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 10:50 am Post subject: Gonna be flyier

James...

 Congratulations on your Firestar...

  

 Some free advice:  Listen to what the  experienced guys on this list are telling you.

     

 -- Get yourself training... That thing is an  airplane, not a bicycle.  It can easily kill you or maim you, and  if

 you try to "teach yourself" there is roughly a  50-50 chance it will.

     

 -- No hardware store junk...(see paragraph  above).  Fasten your aircraft together with aircraft parts.

  

 Welcome to aviation.

  

 Worth what ye paid fer it...

  

 Beauford

 Firefly 076 - N173BW

 Brandon, FL

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NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 11:25 am Post subject: Gonna be flyier

James

  

 I would like to third what Mike said. Also that isn't a  ultralight! it is a real airplane and as such needs to flown by a licensed pilot  or signed off student. Also you will want to get the airplane registered. If you  want to register it as a light sport time is running out so you may want to  spend your time getting that done. After 12/31/07 you will not be able to get it  registered and you will be flying a illegal airplane.

  

  As for your wife's concern the airframe if built  properly and maintained properly is not going to let you down if YOU are up to  the task and you will be with training. The engine is a bit of a concern because  it has a bad history. If you fly it always were you have a safe landing  area with in gliding range it can be fairly safe and fun but you will want to be  looking in to a better engine at some point. Also for learning purposes that 700  ft strip is a bit short.

  

 My $.02 worth

  

 Rick Neilsen

 Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC 

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captainron1(at)cox.net
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Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 11:30 am Post subject: Gonna be flyier

I would feel pretty good with the grade 8 hardware, they should have everything you need.

But before you do that go check out Aircraft Spruce for the AN type stuff, they have a nice online catalog and it ain't that expensive.



I use Ace hardware grade 8 or SS type fasteners. Make sure its grade 8 nothing less.



Ron



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---- James Fitzsimmons <jfitzsy(at)stny.rr.com> wrote: 



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We have an Ace hardware here, an since you mentioned them 1st maybe dont 

need ones with the A on end. 1/4" pins any way. Dont know the mix ratio (no 

book) an no response from Kolb Co. Hey what about the keeper clips. Thanks 

fer response. New to list.

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NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 11:58 am Post subject: Gonna be flyier

Ron



Careful out there with that advice. Grade 8 bolts are very strong but are 

also kind of brittle. It really depends on where you are using them and what 

is called for. Are they Chinese made? Can you be assured they are what they 

say they are?



Don't use anything but aircraft grade stuff in a airplane.



Rick Neilsen

Redrive VW powered MKIIIC



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flymichigan(at)comcast.ne
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Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:30 pm Post subject: Gonna be flyier

I apologize in advance for the condescending tone of this email, but why in the hell would anyone use grade 8 bolts to attach wings to an airplane.  AN hardware is designed to bend if it takes on too much stress.  A grade 8 bolt is likely to brake if subjected to the kinds of loads that turbulence and  added g's that we ask of those connections. Hard=Brittle



Please do not use these on your plane.  If you decide to, please don't fly over my house!!!



Bryan Dever 

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From: Ron <captainron1(at)cox.net>

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 I would feel pretty good with the grade 8 hardware, they should have everything 

 you need.

 But before you do that go check out Aircraft Spruce for the AN type stuff, they 

 have a nice online catalog and it ain't that expensive.

 

 I use Ace hardware grade 8 or SS type fasteners. Make sure its grade 8 nothing 

 less.

 

 Ron

 

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 We have an Ace hardware here, an since you mentioned them 1st maybe dont 

 need ones with the A on end. 1/4" pins any way. Dont know the mix ratio (no 

 book) an no response from Kolb Co. Hey what about the keeper clips. Thanks 

 fer response. New to list.

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ElleryWeld(at)aol.com
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Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 4:53 pm Post subject: Gonna be flyier

Welcome to the Kolb list and Good luck with your new toy You cant buy a better little airplane  anywhere  but Personally I would get aircraft pins from Aircraft Spruce or Wicks Aircraft  especially if there holding your wings in place wouldnt want you to get hurt using inferior hardware 

   its only worth what you paid for it  its your call 

 

 Ellery in Maine 

 

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pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com
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Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:13 am Post subject: Gonna be flyier

Jut wantin to jump in it an teach myself to fly it.  >>

  

 James,

 we all started out like that , full of enthusiasm  and `get up and go`. Of all the people on this list and the many pilots I have  met I only know one person who actually taught himself to fly and live to tell  the tale.

  

 You `other half` is absolutely right to be going on  about insurance, but no insurance company in the world will pay out on an  illegal pilot. That is what you will be if you try to fly without proper lessons  and a licence.

  

 Dont be a fool. .Flying is a great sport but it is  not worth getting yourself killed.

  

 Wise up

  

 Pat

  

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jb92563

Joined: 23 Mar 2007
Posts: 314
Location: Southern California

Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 11:39 am Post subject: Re: Gonna be flyier

I echo all those warnings.



Use AN(Aircraft) Quality hardware EVERYWHERE since that minimal investment will pay back by allowing your aircraft to withstand the loads it was designed for.



Otherwise you are making weak points that will likely get you killed, or worse you'll live and then the wife will kill you SLOWLY!



You have waited this long, its better you do it right so you can succeed with your dreams.



That goes for training also.  Getting to the point where you can Solo take-off, cruise and Land any kind of aircraft will get you off to a good start with an Ultralight.



Untrained New pilots ALWAYS eventually respond incorrectly on the flight controls, thats why training is required. 



If you are wrecking your own aircraft on every flight, assuming you live, and have to repair it each time, does that sound like fun????  NO!



Go get trained and THEN enjoy your new Ultralight.



Ray



PS: I told one guy that I would sell my Lazair to him AFTER he got some training.....he cleared a 1000' strip on his farm and wanted to fly. He is still alive to this day and has put off his flying ambitions until he gets some training.



I know another guy who had about 5 hours training in Cessna's and took his Lazair ultralight out and destroyed the wing on his attempted take-off.

(He attempted a X-wind takeoff in to strong conditions for his skill level)



He has not flown in several years because the rebuild has taken all the fun out of his dream to fly, plus he is now a little scared to fly.



Its better to get sufficient and relavent training!

_________________
Ray

Kolb UltraStar (Cuyuna UL-202)
Moni MotorGlider
Schreder HP-11 Glider
Grob 109 Motorglider

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russ(at)rkiphoto.com
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Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 11:09 am Post subject: Gonna be flyier

Well said, Pat!!



On Aug 9, 2007, at 12:05 PM, pat ladd wrote:

[quote]Jut wantin to jump in it an teach myself to fly it. >>

 

James,

we all started out like that , full of enthusiasm and `get up and go`. Of all the people on this list and the many pilots I have met I only know one person who actually taught himself to fly and live to tell the tale.

 

You `other half` is absolutely right to be going on about insurance, but no insurance company in the world will pay out on an illegal pilot. That is what you will be if you try to fly without proper lessons and a licence.

 

Dont be a fool. .Flying is a great sport but it is not worth getting yourself killed.

 

Wise up

 

Pat

 

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pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com
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Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 1:27 pm Post subject: Gonna be flyier

Hi Russ,

  

 I reckon this flying game is difficult enough when  you have been taught properly let alone doing it with no training.

  

 I have had my plane back about 3 weeks now. Still  waiting for paperwork clearance to test fly. In the meantime I have been trying  to sort out where the radio goes, ariel etc and rigging up a pulley system to  enable me to back the machine into my hangar singlehanded. Unlike the Challenger  there are no metal bits to grab hold of to push the plane about. I can get her  out by pushing on the prop hub. Going backwards is the problem.  I have  also been reaquainting myself with the joys of taxying a tail dragger.  Surprising what you forget after a years lay off. I managed a downwind taxy in a  stiffish breeze, only having to do a 360 once but I dropped the starboard wheel  in a hole just as I gunned the engine to turn into wind. You guessed. The wheels  went nowhere and the nose went down and I managed to side swipe the pitot tube  before I could cut the throttle. I could see the sense of the hoops some people  fit under the nose cone.  No fibreglass damage  but I have to find a  small boy I can stuff inside the nose cone with a spanner to unbolt the pitot  fitting. I am too big and too stiff in the joints to get in there  myself.

  

 Happy sailing

  

 Pat

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Richard Pike

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 1671
Location: Blountville, Tennessee

Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 2:11 pm Post subject: Re: Gonna be flyier

Hi Pat, here is our attempt at a pulley system. This allows me to pull the MKIII up a slight incline that is barely possible unassisted. Ed uses a similar system on his FSII, and since his airplane is a bit lighter, his  pull is easier.



The clamps are simple. On mine, axle extensions with holes bored in the flat stock to slip over the the extensions. For Ed's - a bolt at either end of the clamp bracket to stick in the tube of the stock Kolb tailwheel assembly.



You will need at least 100' of rope.



Richard Pike

MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)

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planecrazzzy
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Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 3:01 pm Post subject: Re: Gonna be flyier

Hey Guys,

               I'll add a little local story....



 Old "Goat" , Ray Lejeune built a Firestar ( with Help )



 Had 5 hrs training in a Cessna 150.....and thought that was enough...



 Ground looped his plane a few times , ( Lucky to be alive )



 Wrecked his plane so bad that he had to scrap it....



 He NEVER got it into the air......Probly would have been in BIG trouble



if he did....

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  Ralph Burlingame Bought the engine (477) off it.....

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Gotta Fly...

Mike & "Jaz" in MN - FSII/N381PM



Private Pilot w/ Taildragger endorsement & 5 hrs in "Like" Aircraft

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