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John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 9:19 am Post subject: Did It Again.

> 2. Is it "legal" to land on a taxi way.....

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 I don't understand why you couldn't enter the pattern ,

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 > Mike & "Jaz" in MN

Mike:



My thoughts on your questions.  Forgive me for commenting late.  Been out of 

town for a couple days.



Not legal to land on a taxiway unless it was a dire emergency.



Don't need a radio to enter traffic and land.  However, an ultralight 

vehicle has last priority in the chain.  Everyone else has priorty over an 

UL vehicle, legally.  I think I could have probable found a way to get in 

the pattern and land without landing on the taxiway.



john h

mkIII

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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 12:39 pm Post subject: Did It Again.

And then there are the four magic words, if you have a radio. That gets you to the top of the food chain, post haste. Just be able to prove it afterward, should you be asked.

Rick

 On 9/4/07, John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com (jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com)> wrote:[quote] --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com (jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com)>

 > 2. Is it "legal" to land on a taxi way.....

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 I don't understand why you couldn't enter the pattern , 

 >

 > Mike & "Jaz" in MN

Mike:

My thoughts on your questions.  Forgive me for commenting late.  Been out of

town for a couple days.

Not legal to land on a taxiway unless it was a dire emergency. 

Don't need a radio to enter traffic and land.  However, an ultralight

vehicle has last priority in the chain.  Everyone else has priorty over an

UL vehicle, legally.  I think I could have probable found a way to get in 

"Ya'll drop on in"

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APilot(at)webtv.net
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 6:21 pm Post subject: Did It Again.

Not legal to land or takeoff from a taxi way?  Tell that to the Navy and

Marines.  They do not obey any laws except their own.  A Marine

helicopter took off from a taxiway when I was landing at an airshow and

turned me and my ultralight upside down.  I requested that they pay for

the damage of $1200 and they blew me off for the second time.  What is

their famous saying?...."Kill them all and let God sort it out."

APilot(at)webtv.net
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 6:23 pm Post subject: Did It Again.

I just ordered enough Max-Gain "E" fiberglass 1.5" dia rods for 3 gear

legs.  Will let you know if they do the job that the 7075-T6 legs do

not.

John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 6:38 pm Post subject: Did It Again.

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		   I just ordered enough Max-Gain "E" fiberglass 1.5" dia rods for 3 gear

 legs.  Will let you know if they do the job that the 7075-T6 legs do

 not.


	


Maybe you need to change pilot technique.



I still bend heat treated 4130 legs.  Still trying to change my landing 

technique.  Don't bend'em unless I drop it in.



john h

mkIII

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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 6:56 pm Post subject: Did It Again.

You are absolutely right.  I should wheel land.  Actually, I am not all

that critical of the aluminum legs because I know that they have saved

my fuselage several times.  I have also appreciated my tension wires

between the axles.  I snapped two of them recently and the gear leg

stayed straight.  Lets hope that my experiment with the fiberglass will

solve all the problems.  The danger is:  If one should break....there

goes a wing.  I plan to over sleeve the lower stress riser.  We shall

see.  I often wonder why Kolb has not tried this over the years and made

a report on it.  Max-Gain has supplied many axles/legs for Challengers

with good success.  With the gear reliable and with a good 4 cycle

engine such as the 912, Geo, HKS etc., the Kolb will be the most perfect

"Fun" airplane that I have ever flown.  So good, in fact, I may go

somewhere in it someday.

herbgh

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 145

Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 7:02 pm Post subject: Did It Again.

Copy paste from Challenger list:

  

 "Hello. I too have a Challenger II LW and use fiberglass gear legs and  I'm

just delighted about them. They absorb shock very well whereas aluminum  legs

will absorb loads but sometime stay bent.



You can buy them  from

SKYES THE LIMIT! - Mike Harrison

Phoenix  AZ

602-938-9735

Harrison3(at)cox.net



or in Canada

Turbulence  Aviation

http://www.turbulence.ca/an



or better still, you  can make your own from stock fiberglass rods at a

fraction of the price, at  Max Gain System.

http://www.mgs4u.com/fiberglass-tube-rod.htm



An  8 foot rod would cost you about $60.00."  End quote

  

   Main thing is to save the cage..abt 2.5 k or so  on the Firefly  and goes up from there..       Herb 

  

  

  

   



  

  

 > I just ordered enough Max-Gain "E" fiberglass 1.5" dia rods for 3  

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ElleryWeld(at)aol.com
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Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 12:23 am Post subject: Did It Again.

Just my opinion but  better landing technique like John said would save you gear legs and embarrassment  and  the trouble  of trying to be an engineer 

 

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gaman(at)att.net
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Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 12:49 pm Post subject: Did It Again.

I have tried the fiberglass gear legs,made up the axle fabrications and really like the way they level out the ride taxiing on rough ground.But they don't fit the cage well,ID of the sockets is a bit larger,and after ten Hrs,I took them off and saw the pressure points wearing on the glass from the sockets.I tried brass shim stock to line the sockets,and that seemed to cure that.But if you pull your plane backward into a trailer after every flight as I do, the flex in the legs makes them toe out as you pull it backwards and it gets real hard to pull uphill.The final reason I pulled them was I could not get a firm quote on the breaking point of the 1 1/4 rods at the length we use.

             All this probably gives you some insight into my ability to execute smooth landings with any regularity,but if anyone wants to try them,the legs are here with the steel fabrications attached,and mountings holes drilled.They  are painted black. You may have them for the come and gett'in



herbgh(at)juno.com wrote:[quote]     

 Copy paste from Challenger list:

  

 "Hello. I too have a Challenger II LW and use fiberglass gear legs and  I'm

just delighted about them. They absorb shock very well whereas aluminum  legs

will absorb loads but sometime stay bent.



You can buy them  from

SKYES THE LIMIT! - Mike Harrison

Phoenix  AZ

602-938-9735

Harrison3(at)cox.net



or in Canada

Turbulence  Aviation

http://www.turbulence.ca/an



or better still, you  can make your own from stock fiberglass rods at  a

fraction of the price, at  Max Gain System.

http://www.mgs4u.com/fiberglass-tube-rod.htm



An  8 foot rod would cost you about $60.00."  End quote

  

   Main thing is to save the cage..abt 2.5 k or so  on the Firefly  and goes up from there..       Herb 

  

  

  

   



  

  

 > I just ordered enough Max-Gain "E" fiberglass 1.5" dia rods for 3  

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 legs.  Will let you know if they do the job that the  7075-T6 legs 

 do

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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 9:19 am Post subject: Did It Again.

As I am flying an ultralight vehicle, I am supposed to give way to all 

other flying aircraft.>>



Hi,

 that is a problem that we dont have in the UK.  Steam still gives way to 

sail at sea but in the air a plane is a plane is a plane.Except that we all 

give way to balloons.

Are you persona non grata because you are unregistered? All aircraft are 

registered here. Gliders in the UK but not in Europe have been unregistered 

for years but even the gliders have lost that distinction recently in our 

rush to regularise things across Europe.



Interesting the way our systems differ. As usual there are swings and 

roundabouts(carousels).  The problems about selling or registering a plane 

by someone other than the builder which is a hot topic on the list at the 

moment is just something which does not arise here. On the other hand we do 

not have the freedom of your Experimental category .

We have moved a little way toward it though by allowing a really light 

ultralight to be built without having to receive a C of A. It will have to 

have a noise certificate however and be registered.



The dead hand of bureaucracy is everywhere. Lucky you in spite of the 

problems seem to have more freedom left than most of us.



Cheers



Pat ( Still waiting for the paperwork to arrive so that I can test fly my 

repaired Xtra.)

gaman(at)att.net
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 6:10 am Post subject: Did It Again.

you share the same dilemma we all have.You can give way or you can carry on till impact.



pat ladd <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> wrote:[quote] --> Kolb-List message posted by: "pat ladd" 



 As I am flying an ultralight vehicle, I am supposed to give way to all 

other flying aircraft.>>



Hi,

 that is a problem that we dont have in the UK.  Steam still gives way to 

sail at sea but in the air a plane is a plane is a plane.Except that we all 

give way to balloons.

Are you persona non grata because you are unregistered? All aircraft are 

registered here. Gliders in the UK but not in Europe have been unregistered 

for years but even the gliders have lost that distinction recently in our 

rush to regularise things across Europe.



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russ(at)rkiphoto.com
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 6:57 am Post subject: Did It Again.

My approach always has been "if there's a conflict, he wins". We can sort it out later if we're still alive.On boats, if he's a lot  bigger he has the right-of-way. But I still blow 7 blasts to let him know (and everyone else within  earshot) he's being an  idiotdo not archive



On Sep 7, 2007, at 10:10 AM, gary aman wrote:

[quote]you share the same dilemma we all have.You can give way or you can carry on till impact.



pat ladd <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com (pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com)> wrote: 	  Quote: 	
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 As I am flying an ultralight vehicle, I am supposed to give way to all 

other flying aircraft.>>



Hi,

 that is a problem that we dont have in the UK.  Steam still gives way to 

sail at sea but in the air a plane is a plane is a plane.Except that we all 

give way to balloons.

Are you persona non grata because you are unregistered? All aircraft are 

registered here. Gliders in the UK but not in Europe have been unregistered 

for years but even the gliders have lost that distinction recently in our 

rush to regularise things across Europe.



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JetPilot

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1246

Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 7:49 pm Post subject: Re: Did It Again.

I have flown without a radio, lots of guys do.  I really like having a radio for traffic but it is not required, and if my radio is out for some reason, I still fly.



As far as landing on a taxiway, that is a HUGE NO NO even for an ultralight.  If no one has said anything to you, consider yourself very lucky.  There is no exemption just because you are an ultralight, if an FAA guy or the wrong person ever sees you take off or land on a taxiway, you will have major problems.  I cannot think of a better way to get very unwanted attention.  We all stretch the rules or even ignore them sometimes, but landing on a taxiway is not one I would ever consider doing.  That rates right up there with flying over the White House, or buzzing the control tower   



Mike

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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 9:37 am Post subject: Did It Again.

Re: statement that "landing on a taxiway is forbidden," I reiterate  

that at OKV ULs ARE SUPPOSED TO OPERATE (land/takeoff) FROM NORTH END  

OF TAXIWAY.

We don't have a twr, thank goodness, but do have Unicom for our 5600  

rnwy. I'll quote exact para. when I go out next week. The use of the  

taxiway was a compromise between restricting ULs completely, and  

allowing some operation. I was chrm of Airport Advisory Cmte.

regards,

Bob N.    FireFly 070 Old Kolb

http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/

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Steve Boetto

Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 365

Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 9:48 am Post subject: Did It Again.

In a message dated 9/8/2007 11:51:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  orcabonita(at)hotmail.com writes:

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		  As far    as landing on a taxiway, that is a HUGE NO NO 	


 

 I seem to remember that Lakeland used the taxiway as the main landing strip  during SnF. Is my memory wrong?

  

  

  

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Firefly 007/Floats

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