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robin1(at)mrmoisture.com
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 Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 9:10 pm Post subject: Budget Buys - Trainers |
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If you are interested in feeling even better about your decision to
build & fly an RV-10 just browse the November issue of AOPA Pilot
article titled "Bottom Line Four-Seaters." It details the bare minimum
products offered by Cirrus, Piper, Diamond & Cessna. In most cases they
are VFR only & fixed pitch. The biggest power plant is 200 Hp.
A brief recap:
Cirrus SR20 SRV-G2
VFR Only
$200,000
Sales 6-10 / year!
Want an Autopilot, GNS 430, Front wheel pant just add $60,000 to
$257,000
200 Hp = Highest true airspeed, 150 Kts.
Piper Archer
Built for fleet sales so if you want on you have to group your purchase
with another buyer.
$230,000 for round gauges
Want a glass cockpit just add $50K Final price $280,000
160 Hp = true airspeed, 128 Kts.
Diamond DA40-FP
G1000 panel
$246,000
Fabric interior, no wheel pants, downgraded exhaust
Again to get this price you have to "gang" your purchase with a bulk buy
180 Hp = true airspeed, 134 Kts
Cessna 172R
G1000 panel
$220,000
160 Hp = true airspeed, 122 Kts
440 lbs max payload with full fuel for a 4 seat plane. Grab your three
100 pound friends and go flying. You only weigh 140 lbs right?
I guess the only "advantage" over an RV-10 is they come fully
assembled.
Robin
RV-10 BPE Engine Shipped
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AirMike
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Posts: 514
Location: Nevada
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| Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 10:16 pm Post subject: Budget Buys - Trainers - and baloney |
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Personal notes: Before I signed onto the RV10, I looked into the Cirrus SR20. The Cirrus staff showed me the SR22-G3 that they were pushing with it's mega price tag, they all but refused to sell me an SR20. If you demand one they will start telling you how you have to wait a year, and that it is too much of a beginner's product. It is only for VFR and the autopilot sucks, etc, etc, etc.
I think that they keep it in the line as a transition trainer for the sales staff and a few flight schools, but it is a phantom product. Not really available to you or me. I doubt that even one was sold to an individual this year. They are looking to sell the big profit planes - like the turbo.
The Archer is a good honest plane (I owned one) but 120-125 knots is its real capability. The 172 is a slow beast but very safe.
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Location: Appleton, WI USA
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cloudvalley(at)comcast.ne
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| Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 8:10 am Post subject: Budget Buys - Trainers |
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Hi Mike,
We bought an SR20 (2006) with everything except SW/SS, for $249,000, which they used for an ad in the August issue of "Flying" Magazine. N774PT. Ruth flew it From Duluth, Minn to Eugene. Then we flew it across to Mass, went to the the AOPA EXPO, then to Ohio, San Diego and back home. It really is a great plane, which may be slow at 132 Knots at best economy, but it burned 7.5 gal/hr! Also, only one qt of oil in 50 hrs. The G3's are way too expensive, that's for sure! Even the SR 20 is not cheap, but the avionics were so great and easy to use! Made the trip a lot more fun! Talk to you later, Mike. Good luck with the RV10!
Brian and Ruth
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From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net>
[quote] --> RV10-List message posted by: "AirMike"
Personal notes: Before I signed onto the RV10, I looked into the Cirrus SR20.
The Cirrus staff showed me the SR22-G3 that they were pushing with it's mega
price tag, they all but refused to sell me an SR20. If you demand one they will
start telling you how you have to wait a year, and that it is too much of a
beginner's product. It is only for VFR and the autopilot sucks, etc, etc, etc.
I think that they keep it in the line as a transition trainer for the sales
staff and a few flight schools, but it is a phantom product. Not really
available to you or me. I doubt that even one was sold to an individual this
year. They are lo //www. [quote][b]
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wcurtis(at)nerv10.com
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| Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 3:28 pm Post subject: Budget Buys - Trainers |
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Airmaike,
Since I know at least two people who have recently purchased and took delivery of SR-20s due to the lower entry price, lower insurance and lower operating cost, you dealer was either on an agenda, ill informed or disingenuous. They we able to get all the option availabel in the SR-22 with the exception of the weeping wing de-ice system. Even Aviation Consumer rated the SR-20 as a best value but most pilots think more power is the panacea for poor flying skills and gravitate to the SR-22.
William
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
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AirMike
Joined: 27 Feb 2007
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Location: Nevada
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| Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 10:08 pm Post subject: Budget Buys - Trainers |
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I stand corrected. I will tell you that they simply would not sell one to my former plane partner and myself in late 2006.
(B&R) Blowing thru 1000 hours on the RV10 this week. I am beginning to see the light at the end of the tunnel - but it is still dim. Mattituck IO-540 and 2x prop due Dec/Jan.
Seem that the rules to stay on track are :
1. As few mods as possible. Stick to the excellent plans
2. Decide on your panel early
3. Order your non-Vans stuff well before you need it
4. Keep it simple - remember that you can always upgrade or change later
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