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				 Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:41 am    Post subject: Landing short (again)  - Was Need Opinions! | 
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				There's always the intentional ground-loop at the end of a hot rollout, just before you get to the fence/trees/ cow or whatever.  Scary but effective. Whoa guys . . . I'm just kidding.  
 
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 "Napier, Mark" <Mark.Napier(at)sciatl.com> wrote:
   [quote]--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Napier, Mark" 
 
 The main problem with that 700ft is landing, not taking off. With 20
 deg. of flap clearing the fence is no problem. The Kitfox will land
 that short but the wind and approach speed has to be nailed to do it.
 It's very easy to put your wheels down a little too fast and not be able
 to stop floating/bouncing and eat up a short strip. Then that 4 foot
 fence is waiting for you on the other end if you don't go-around quick
 enough.
 
 My experience is that I  can bring it in at 50 mph with flaps and power;
 yank the power off and drop it down hard and brake to a stop in under
 300ft. I can't do it repeatedly. It's easy to float. I don't think I
 could currently land into a 700ft with 100% confidence and certainly not
 with a passenger.
 
 Problem is our strip is 2400 usable with an uphill portion to it. It
 works well as I can just slip down to the bottom of it and 3-point land
 and then gravity does the rest. The trees nicely block cross winds as
 well. It does make me lazy so I have to practice at other strips to
 keep current. Others may have better technique.
 
 FWIW,
 
 Mark Napier
 N246DR KFIII 582
 
 ____________________________________
 Time: 03:47:30 PM PST US
 Subject: Re: Need Opinions!
 From: "wingnut" 
 Do you have any places to land near your runway that you can use in an
 emergency?
 700 ft doesn't leave much room  to get back down if the motor burps on
 takeoff.
 I'm in a similar boat; About 1400 ft but with 30ft trees on both ends.
 Knowing
 that I can land at that cow pasture off the end of the runway adds alot
 to
 my comfort factor.
  	  | Quote: | 	 		   the best runway I can arrange is going to only be about 700. However,
 I wont
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 have any obstacles on either end to clear except a 4 fence. The terrain
 is flat
 and sparsely populated. 
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 Luis Rodriguez
 Model IV 1200
 Rotax 912UL
 Flying Weekly
 Laurens, SC (34A)
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				 Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 11:27 am    Post subject: Re: Landing short (again)  - Was Need Opinions! | 
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				You mean like, stomp on the left rudder-brake, and when it's headed the other way, hit the power.  Woooooha!  ya baby!
 
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