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kitfox555(at)sbcglobal.ne
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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 7:20 am Post subject: access cover for oil

Can anyone tell me how to make access hole through the fiberglass for the oil or where I can buy one to install, this would be for 582 oil injector tank 



Jerry Evans 

96% done 582

  Magalia Calif.

  N582'er'

  kitfox 555

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Rex Hefferan

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 147
Location: Olney Springs, Colorado USA "NOT a Kitpig"

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 11:40 am Post subject: access cover for oil

I have one that was installed my model 2, I think it once was an option 

from Skystar so not available that way. Perhaps John McBean can advise.

Mine is nothing more than a standard access door from some manufacturer 

that came with instuctions on how to cut out the cowling and install. 

It's flat and does not match the curve of the cowl, but it works well. 

If you could find a source for a suitable door it wouldn't be too hard 

to figure out the installation. I'd be happy to take pictures of mine 

and copy the instructions when I get home Sunday.

 Meanwhile, I found this for a Rans. Looks like it could work and it's 

very reasonably priced.

http://www.shoprans.com/proddetail.asp?prod=KPCW0026



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Rex Hefferan

SE Colorado / K-II / 582-C / still waiting repairs



jerry evans wrote:



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		     Can anyone tell me how to make access hole through the fiberglass 

 for the oil or where I can buy one to install, this would be for 582 

 oil injector tank



 Jerry Evans

 96% done 582

 Magalia Calif.

 N582'er'

 kitfox 555

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Colorado

Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 1:53 pm Post subject: access cover for oil

After two attempts to get an oil access door for my Skyfox cowl for  

my Kitfox, (one didn't fit and the other was a warped piece of  

fiberglass) I ended up laying up one of my own. I taped down Saran  

Wrap over an area of the cowl on the mirror side of the oil access  

opening, then layers of glass matt, soaked with resin, etc., then  

topping the whole pile with another piece of Saran Wrap to provide as  

smooth a surface as possible. This way the curvature of the door  

nearly matches the contour of the cowl. The cowl already had the  

recessed opening to accept the door that I made. If you don't already  

have the recess, you can cut an opening to suit yourself, then  

fiberglass a recessed lip under that area, and possibly use the cut- 

out piece as the door. There will of course be some finishing  

required to make a nice fit and smooth surface.

Lynn Matteson

Grass Lake, Michigan

Kitfox IV Speedster  w/Jabiru 2200

flying w/440+ hrs

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		   jerry evans wrote:

>   Can anyone tell me how to make access hole through the  

> fiberglass for the oil or where I can buy one to install, this  

> would be for 582 oil injector tank

>

> Jerry Evans

> 96% done 582

> Magalia Calif.

> N582'er'

> kitfox 555

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Kitfox IV-Jabiru 2200
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thesupe(at)hotmail.com
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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:02 pm Post subject: access cover for oil

My Avid cowl for the Jabiru engine came with the opening and  recessed lip, but no door.  I cut out a piece of .060 aluminum that fit the opening pluss I left two tabs that went into two slots on the front edge of the reccess lip (the tabs have a bit of a S bend in them)   on the back end of the door, I put one camlock to hold it in place.  It works for me.  If you want it to be out of fiberglass, I would very carefully cut it out about 1/2" bigger both ways than you want.  Then put some plastic tape on  the back side of the door (the new fiberglass wont stick to the plastic tape) and tape it back in place from the top of the cowl.  Now you can make a lip out of fiberglass resin and cloth that will match the door exactly.  Once the fiberglass sets you can pop the door off and fasten it how you like.  Hope that made sence and you were able to follow me through that.  

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		    Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:19:47 -0800

From: kitfox555(at)sbcglobal.net

Subject: access cover for oil

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  Can anyone tell me how to make access hole through the fiberglass for the oil or where I can buy one to install, this would be for 582 oil injector tank 

 Jerry Evans 

96% done 582

 Magalia Calif.

 N582'er'

 kitfox 555

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Float Flyr

Joined: 19 Jul 2006
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Location: Campbellton, Newfoundland

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 4:06 pm Post subject: access cover for oil

I'm not too sure what the Kitfox cowls are made from now but for cutting

Kevlar I found the best thing to use was a high speed spin saw.  The bit can

be very thin and the opening made around the door can be very thin also.

The spin saw also allows you to make curved corners on the door.  Rounding

the corners will reduce the possibility of causing the cowl to crack through

the corners of the door opening.  Rivet the hinge for the door in place then

you can tape around the edge of the door or use cling wrap to the bottom of

the door. With the door held in place you can go ahead and glass the lip to

the bottom side of the cowl.  One of the nice things about doing this is the

lip you glass in actually reinforces the cowl around the access door.

Finish the job by mounting a Camloc or Dzus fastener to hold the door

closed.



Noel



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Guy Buchanan

Joined: 16 Jul 2006
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Location: Ramona, CA

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 8:46 pm Post subject: access cover for oil

At 07:19 AM 11/27/2007, you wrote:

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		     Can anyone tell me how to make access hole through the fiberglass 

 for the oil or where I can buy one to install, this would be for 

 582 oil injector tank


	


Jerry,

         It sounds like you got all of the possibilities. Mine was 

cut out of the cowl, hinged, and an aluminum lip bonded and riveted 

to the inside. Once you cut out the door, clean up it's edge. Install 

the aluminum or glass lip below the door and clean up it's edges. 

Then wrap the edge of the door with a couple layers of narrowly cut 

flash tape and center the door in the opening. Tape the back side 

with duct tape. Then fill the cut-out with a resin/micro mixture. 

Pull the door, remove the tape, and re-install. Sand the resin/micro 

flush and you'll have a nice seam. Attach the door with a short piano 

hinge and use a Cessna oil door latch to latch it. (I tried finding 

the latch at ACS and via Google and had no luck. I'm sure it's 

available after-market. I found a bunch of Cessna parts at 

www.broadiesaircraft.com.)

Guy Buchanan

San Diego, CA

K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.

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Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 5:17 am Post subject: access cover for oil

I think  the one I used is the Camloc access door. p/n05-02124... 

$12.50 ea, page 107 of this year's Aircraft Spruce Catalog...and let  

me go on record as saying that the Spruce cat. has to be one of the  

MOST frustrating to try to find anything...like this....in!  You've  

got to paw through the pages as opposed to going to the going to the  

index, because either they don't know what to call something, or they  

assign a page number to it, and it's not there, or even close to  

there.......ok, rant over, if you persevere, you'll find it, I'm sure.

Lynn Matteson

Grass Lake, Michigan

Kitfox IV Speedster  w/Jabiru 2200

flying w/440+ hrs

On Nov 27, 2007, at 11:45 PM, Guy Buchanan wrote:

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 At 07:19 AM 11/27/2007, you wrote:

>   Can anyone tell me how to make access hole through the  

> fiberglass for the oil or where I can buy one to install, this  

> would be for 582 oil injector tank

  Attach the door with a short piano hinge and use a Cessna oil door  

 latch to latch it. (I tried finding the latch at ACS and via Google  

 and had no luck. I'm sure it's available after-market. I found a  

 bunch of Cessna parts at www.broadiesaircraft.com.)

 Guy Buchanan

 San Diego, CA

 K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.

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Kitfox IV-Jabiru 2200
N369LM

darinh

Joined: 20 Apr 2006
Posts: 327
Location: Utah

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 6:51 pm Post subject: Re: access cover for oil

Jerry,



The Series 7 has a molded impression for the oil door which is cut out and an aluminum cover is hand bent to shape and installed with an aluminum piano hinge.  The Kitfox manual has you secure the latch using winged camlocs but I like the flush latch closure better.  If your cowl doesn't have the molded impression, simply fabricate a latch cover from a piece of aluminum that is the same thickness as your cowl then bend it to shape.  Once you are satisfied with the shape, you can place this cover on the cowl and trace it.  Then carefully cut and sand/file the opening to shape allowing for a 1/16 clearance on each side.  Then glue and rivet strips of aluminum under the cowl for the latch to rest against and finish the install by gluing and riveting the piano hinge on.  The piano hinge knuckles will require a bit more than 1/16" clearance so trial fit this and trim as necessary.  See my installation for ideas.  This is a good, functional installation and looks good to.  Hope this helps.

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MichaelGibbs(at)cox.net
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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 7:32 pm Post subject: access cover for oil

As Guy said, the piece you cut out of the cowling makes a perfect 

door, there's no need to fabricate one.  On my Model IV I had to put 

the opening directly in the center to align with the oil tank and it 

would have been tricky to precisely bend a piece of aluminum to the 

shape of the cowl which had a ridge down the middle.



I cut an aluminum frame to go under the opening to act as the stop 

for the door and to reinforce the fiberglass.  A piano hinge, a flush 

latch, and some filler were all that was needed to make for a very 

functional and attractive installation.



Mike G.

N728KF

Phoenix, AZ

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darinh

Joined: 20 Apr 2006
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:16 am Post subject: Re: access cover for oil

I agree with Mike completely about using the cutout especially if you have a situation like he had.  Just a word of caution if you use the cutout peice of fiberglass...be very careful when cutting with your dremel as they can get away from you in a quick hurry and ruin your cutout.

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Fox5flyer
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 4:16 am Post subject: access cover for oil

Nice display Mike.  Worth a thousand words.

Deke

NE MI, S5



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kitfox555(at)sbcglobal.ne
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 7:12 am Post subject: access cover for oil

Thanks for all the comments and pics this helps me a lot hopefully I can find the latch somewhere 



fox5flyer <fox5flyer(at)idealwifi.net> wrote:   [quote]--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "fox5flyer" 



Nice display Mike. Worth a thousand words.

Deke

NE MI, S5



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MichaelGibbs(at)cox.net
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 7:34 am Post subject: access cover for oil

Jerry sez:



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		  Thanks for all the comments and pics this helps me a lot hopefully I 

can find the latch somewhere


	


They are quite common in airplane supply circles.  Among others, I've 

seen them at Aircraft Spruce.  Kitfox, LLC might have them as well, 

you should check with John McBean.



Mike G.

N728KF

Phoenix, AZ

Float Flyr

Joined: 19 Jul 2006
Posts: 2704
Location: Campbellton, Newfoundland

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:14 pm Post subject: access cover for oil

Use the Dremel with the spin saw attachment.  Draw out the shape of the door

and cut slowly.



I think I already mentioned to make nice curves at the corners to reduce the

chance of cracking the cowl at the corners.  Sand both the door and the edge

of the hole.



I like the piano hinge but you could just as easily use 4 - 6 Camlocs or

Dzus fasteners and have the door completely removable.  BTW if you hinge the

door at the front air pressure will keep the door closed if the closure

comes undone in flight.



Noel



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