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jesse(at)saintaviation.co
Guest

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 2:13 pm Post subject: VP-200 Update

We are ready to fly, just awaiting the permission from the Ecuadorian "FAA".  Those of us who live and fly in the US sure have it good.  You have to have permission to spit in the air down here.

As an update on the Vertical Power system that some are interested in hearing, we have it up and running and mostly configured.  It so far is a fantastic way to handle the electrical system, from initial wiring to setting flaps and wiring trims.  With the trim settings, if you have it wired backwards, you can just flip it in the menus and it changed direction.  The flaps allow you to set up, down and two intermediate positions if you have an indicator (enter the Ray Allen position sensor), so if you want up, 0, 10 and 30 instead of up, 0, 15 and 30, that's no problem.  I don't think they have implemented the trim sensitivity option yet, but it will soon be possible to automatically slow down the trims in cruise and speed them back up in slow flight and pattern work.  Adding circuits, like we added for pumps from wingtip tanks to the mains, is super easy.  Just pick an open pin, run a wire and set it up in the menu.  They are right now debugging the reading from the Dynon EMS to help with the automatic mode switching (we are the first ones running on a Dynon with the VP), but the GPS info from the 430 is already on there to do some of the mode switching.  Each device can be set up to come on automatically in any mode, including preflight, so you could have it turn on a Garmin 496 during preflight to go ahead and start downloading the weather.



Overall, I am so far very impressed with both the functionality, the ease of installation, the great documentation and the quick and thorough tech support in getting things running.  I just wish all of the possibilities were already implemented in the software.  That will come.



For the record, I am not affiliated with Vertical Power, but I am one of their dealers, which I will continue to be as long as they keep up the good work.

 Jesse Saint

Saint Aviation, Inc.

jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)

Cell: 352-427-0285

Fax: 815-377-3694



 

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CJohnston(at)popsound.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 2:47 pm Post subject: VP-200 Update

That’s great to hear Jesse –   

   

I’m also going to go with the VP setup, and Marc Ausman actually came to my house last Tuesday (ok…he was already coming to LA, I’m not that special!) and we went over some of the stuff, and he brought me a dummy CU box and display faceplate to use for panel planning (refundable deposit required).   Overall, I am incredibly impressed with what he’s doing, and he’s a really nice knowledgeable fella as well!  He actually had some great suggestions for my aircraft that weren’t related to his system as well.  He’s got a RV-7 that he built, so he can kinda relate.  Anyway, more to come!  

   

cj  

#40410  

www.perfectlygoodairplane.net  

   

   

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apilot2(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 2:48 pm Post subject: VP-200 Update

Any thoughts as to cost of the VP-200 vs conventional breakers and

somebody else's engine monitor/analyzer?



On Dec 14, 2007 3:12 PM, Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   We are ready to fly, just awaiting the permission from the Ecuadorian "FAA".

 Those of us who live and fly in the US sure have it good.  You have to have

 permission to spit in the air down here.



 As an update on the Vertical Power system that some are interested in

 hearing, we have it up and running and mostly configured.  It so far is a

 fantastic way to handle the electrical system, from initial wiring to

 setting flaps and wiring trims.  With the trim settings, if you have it

 wired backwards, you can just flip it in the menus and it changed direction.

 The flaps allow you to set up, down and two intermediate positions if you

 have an indicator (enter the Ray Allen position sensor), so if you want up,

 0, 10 and 30 instead of up, 0, 15 and 30, that's no problem.  I don't think

 they have implemented the trim sensitivity option yet, but it will soon be

 possible to automatically slow down the trims in cruise and speed them back

 up in slow flight and pattern work.  Adding circuits, like we added for

 pumps from wingtip tanks to the mains, is super easy.  Just pick an open

 pin, run a wire and set it up in the menu.  They are right now debugging the

 reading from the Dynon EMS to help with the automatic mode switching (we are

 the first ones running on a Dynon with the VP), but the GPS info from the

 430 is already on there to do some of the mode switching.  Each device can

 be set up to come on automatically in any mode, including preflight, so you

 could have it turn on a Garmin 496 during preflight to go ahead and start

 downloading the weather.



 Overall, I am so far very impressed with both the functionality, the ease of

 installation, the great documentation and the quick and thorough tech

 support in getting things running.  I just wish all of the possibilities

 were already implemented in the software.  That will come.



 For the record, I am not affiliated with Vertical Power, but I am one of

 their dealers, which I will continue to be as long as they keep up the good

 work.



 Jesse Saint

 Saint Aviation, Inc.

 jesse(at)saintaviation.com

 Cell: 352-427-0285

 Fax: 815-377-3694

kearney(at)shaw.ca
Guest

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 2:55 pm Post subject: VP-200 Update

Hmmm  

   

I have a couple of long conversations with Marc Ausman of Vertical Power over the past couple of weeks. I have decided to use their product after seeing it at KOSH and reading the online docs.   

   

I like the idea of eliminating the traditional bus / breaker arrangement for something that is a more sophisticated. One of the nice things about their system is that it builds in capabilities that would otherwise require integration of other boxes. Things like trim sensitivity, landing light wig wags, door alarms / annuciators / low voltage warnings / audible alarms / etc.   

   

If VP’s post sales support is even half of what the pre-sales support is like, they will be a great company to deal with.  

   

Cheers  

   

Les Kearney  

#40643  

C-GCWZ (reserved)  

         

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint

 Sent: December-14-07 3:13 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: VP-200 Update  

  

   

We are ready to fly, just awaiting the permission from the Ecuadorian "FAA".  Those of us who live and fly in the US sure have it good.  You have to have permission to spit in the air down here.    

   

    

As an update on the Vertical Power system that some are interested in hearing, we have it up and running and mostly configured.  It so far is a fantastic way to handle the electrical system, from initial wiring to setting flaps and wiring trims.  With the trim settings, if you have it wired backwards, you can just flip it in the menus and it changed direction.  The flaps allow you to set up, down and two intermediate positions if you have an indicator (enter the Ray Allen position sensor), so if you want up, 0, 10 and 30 instead of up, 0, 15 and 30, that's no problem.  I don't think they have implemented the trim sensitivity option yet, but it will soon be possible to automatically slow down the trims in cruise and speed them back up in slow flight and pattern work.  Adding circuits, like we added for pumps from wingtip tanks to the mains, is super easy.  Just pick an open pin, run a wire and set it up in the menu.  They are right now debugging the reading from the Dynon EMS to help with the automatic mode switching (we are the first ones running on a Dynon with the VP), but the GPS info from the 430 is already on there to do some of the mode switching.  Each device can be set up to come on automatically in any mode, including preflight, so you could have it turn on a Garmin 496 during preflight to go ahead and start downloading the weather.  

    

   

    

Overall, I am so far very impressed with both the functionality, the ease of installation, the great documentation and the quick and thorough tech support in getting things running.  I just wish all of the possibilities were already implemented in the software.  That will come.  

    

   

    

For the record, I am not affiliated with Vertical Power, but I am one of their dealers, which I will continue to be as long as they keep up the good work.  

    

   

          

Jesse Saint  

    

Saint Aviation, Inc.  

    

jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)  

    

Cell: 352-427-0285  

    

Fax: 815-377-3694  

  

  

    

   

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mike(at)learningplanet.co
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Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 3:23 pm Post subject: VP-200 Update

I am planning to use the VP200 in my plane as well. It is more  

expensive than going with traditional breakers and switches, but there  

are several upsides. One of which is that the system continues to  

improve through software updates as previously mentioned.



I ordered the VP200 back at Oshkosh thinking I would be further along  

by now. It really does look cool sitting on my desk. 



Mike Schipper

#40576 - Fuselage - www.rvten.com

poneill(at)irealms.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 3:44 pm Post subject: VP-200 Update

Does the VP-200 include the engine monitor?  I thought it simply displayed

data transmitted by an owner provided engine monitor (JPI, etc.). 



Best Regards,

Patrick #40715 / N690CT

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jeff(at)westcottpress.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 3:45 pm Post subject: VP-200 Update

Is there any sense of how much weight you add with the VP-200?.. and  

would it replace the function of the Safety-Trim device?



Jeff Carpenter

40304

On Dec 14, 2007, at 3:22 PM, Michael Schipper wrote:



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 <mike(at)learningplanet.com>



 I am planning to use the VP200 in my plane as well. It is more  

 expensive than going with traditional breakers and switches, but  

 there are several upsides. One of which is that the system  

 continues to improve through software updates as previously mentioned.



 I ordered the VP200 back at Oshkosh thinking I would be further  

 along by now. It really does look cool sitting on my desk. 



 Mike Schipper

 #40576 - Fuselage - www.rvten.com

wcurtis(at)nerv10.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 4:09 pm Post subject: VP-200 Update

Before I had many hours in the soup IFR, I was in favor of as much automaiton in light aircraft as possible.  Now I've kind of taken a more conservative approach and in addition to the cost of the VP-200, I would only fear the WOPR/Skynet affect if this box that is hooked into and in control of (almost) everything should "lose it mind" and go stupid (or smart:-).  But that's just me, YMMV.



William

http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/ 

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CJohnston(at)popsound.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 4:34 pm Post subject: VP-200 Update

As far as that goes, you can build in a safety net for critical stuff in

the event of the VP going boom.  Really easy to do, and there are

diagrams on the VP site showing different ways to go about it.  when

it's working, which should be the norm, the automation will be VERY nice

to have.  Also, the emergency handling is pretty slick too!



cj



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Kearney(at)shaw.ca
Guest

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 4:49 pm Post subject: VP-200 Update

William

  6nbsp;

 I spoke to Marc at VP yesterday on this very point E There are failsafes built in E For example C if he box had a major brain fart (notice the high tech terminology) C I can still drive my EFIS off the main 6nbsp;bus wth the simple throw of an external switch E

  6nbsp;

 In all seriousness C VP has given thought to failure modes E Given that the system detects and handles device faults C can automatically implement load shedding if an aternor fails C I suspect this is a lower risk solution E

  6nbsp;

 Personally C I like the idea of 6nbsp; a solid state electrical system rather than th rats nest of wiring / breakers etc hat I have seen in more traditional a/c E

  6nbsp;

 Cheers

  6nbsp;

 Les Kearney

  340643

 

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rv(at)thelefflers.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 4:51 pm Post subject: VP-200 Update

Les,  

   

Are you going with the 100 or 200?  

   

I’m still struggling with the price/value of the unit.     

   

Having met Marc and team at Michael Sausen’s house before OSH and listening to him explain the system, it is certainly a great product.    I think I would want to go with the 200, but am having difficulties justifying the expense to myself, let alone my wife.  

   

Bob  

   

       

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney

 Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 5:50 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: VP-200 Update  

  

  

   

Hmmm  

   

I have a couple of long conversations with Marc Ausman of Vertical Power over the past couple of weeks. I have decided to use their product after seeing it at KOSH and reading the online docs.   

   

I like the idea of eliminating the traditional bus / breaker arrangement for something that is a more sophisticated. One of the nice things about their system is that it builds in capabilities that would otherwise require integration of other boxes. Things like trim sensitivity, landing light wig wags, door alarms / annuciators / low voltage warnings / audible alarms / etc.   

   

If VP’s post sales support is even half of what the pre-sales support is like, they will be a great company to deal with.  

   

Cheers  

   

Les Kearney  

#40643  

C-GCWZ (reserved)  

         

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint

 Sent: December-14-07 3:13 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: VP-200 Update  

  

   

We are ready to fly, just awaiting the permission from the Ecuadorian "FAA".  Those of us who live and fly in the US sure have it good.  You have to have permission to spit in the air down here.    

   

    

As an update on the Vertical Power system that some are interested in hearing, we have it up and running and mostly configured.  It so far is a fantastic way to handle the electrical system, from initial wiring to setting flaps and wiring trims.  With the trim settings, if you have it wired backwards, you can just flip it in the menus and it changed direction.  The flaps allow you to set up, down and two intermediate positions if you have an indicator (enter the Ray Allen position sensor), so if you want up, 0, 10 and 30 instead of up, 0, 15 and 30, that's no problem.  I don't think they have implemented the trim sensitivity option yet, but it will soon be possible to automatically slow down the trims in cruise and speed them back up in slow flight and pattern work.  Adding circuits, like we added for pumps from wingtip tanks to the mains, is super easy.  Just pick an open pin, run a wire and set it up in the menu.  They are right now debugging the reading from the Dynon EMS to help with the automatic mode switching (we are the first ones running on a Dynon with the VP), but the GPS info from the 430 is already on there to do some of the mode switching.  Each device can be set up to come on automatically in any mode, including preflight, so you could have it turn on a Garmin 496 during preflight to go ahead and start downloading the weather.  

    

   

    

Overall, I am so far very impressed with both the functionality, the ease of installation, the great documentation and the quick and thorough tech support in getting things running.  I just wish all of the possibilities were already implemented in the software.  That will come.  

    

   

    

For the record, I am not affiliated with Vertical Power, but I am one of their dealers, which I will continue to be as long as they keep up the good work.  

    

   

          

Jesse Saint  

    

Saint Aviation, Inc.  

    

jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)  

    

Cell: 352-427-0285  

    

Fax: 815-377-3694  

  

  

  

   

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dlm46007(at)cox.net
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Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 4:52 pm Post subject: VP-200 Update

I agree. After 4000+ and about 10% of that actual IMC without a working

autopilot and a career in information technology, I don't trust someone else

or something else flying the aircraft for me. Hence my 10 has every

appliance on its own breaker (eithor pull or toggle), two batteries and

three ways to get to the batteries. If you use the automation just make sure

that you know what it does for you and how to disconnect it and hand fly

from raw data. Hence it follows if one can't fly an ILS in actual IMC to

minimums, then the automation should not be doing it for you. 



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rv(at)thelefflers.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 5:01 pm Post subject: VP-200 Update

Marc does have a document that you can use to calculate the differences.

http://www.verticalpower.com/docs/Pricing_Analysis.pdf



I would be interested in seeing if somebody has taken the time to complete

the worksheet to see where it came out.

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mike(at)learningplanet.co
Guest

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 5:03 pm Post subject: VP-200 Update

Hi Jeff,

The combined weight of the control unit, the display unit, and the  

remote switch unit is around 5 pounds. I really don't know how that  

would compare to a couple dozen breakers, switches, and wires.

Yes, it has runaway trim protection built in, along with many other  

safety features.

There is no built-in engine monitor, but it will take the output from  

any GRT-compatible EIS and display the engine data.

Mike Schipper

#40576 - Fuselage - www.rvten.com

On Dec 14, 2007, at 5:45 PM, Jeff Carpenter wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 >

 Is there any sense of how much weight you add with the VP-200?.. and  

 would it replace the function of the Safety-Trim device?

 Jeff Carpenter

 40304

 On Dec 14, 2007, at 3:22 PM, Michael Schipper wrote:

> 

> >

>

> I am planning to use the VP200 in my plane as well. It is more  

> expensive than going with traditional breakers and switches, but  

> there are several upsides. One of which is that the system  

> continues to improve through software updates as previously  

> mentioned.

>

> I ordered the VP200 back at Oshkosh thinking I would be further  

> along by now. It really does look cool sitting on my desk. 

>

> Mike Schipper

> #40576 - Fuselage - www.rvten.com

>

jesse(at)saintaviation.co
Guest

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 5:54 pm Post subject: VP-200 Update

I have done the worksheet and I found that either unit saved me about  

$1,750 in parts (flap positioning system, trim relays, switches,  

breakers, etc.).  As Stein told me when I talked to him about it, it  

really comes into play a lot when you start calculating the amount of  

time it saves.  I think that someone who has never wired a plane can  

handle doing it with this a LOT easier than the traditional way.  When  

it comes time to add something, which you will very possibly do even  

before you get the plane flying, you can just add that to the  

spreadsheet and run a wire from a pin on J3-J6 and set it up in the  

menus.  It also gives you a lot easier point to start to build the  

wiring harness outside the plane as one piece and just slide it in  

(minus some of the big wires, of course).  I have now wired 3  

airframes with this and am very happy with how easy it is to plan- 

harness-install.  After next weekend anybody who wants to come by X35  

for a ground demo, I would be happy to do it.



Jesse Saint

Saint Aviation, Inc.

jesse(at)saintaviation.com

Cell: 352-427-0285

Fax: 815-377-3694



On Dec 14, 2007, at 8:00 PM, Bob Leffler wrote:



[quote] 



 Marc does have a document that you can use to calculate the  

 differences.

 http://www.verticalpower.com/docs/Pricing_Analysis.pdf



 I would be interested in seeing if somebody has taken the time to  

 complete

 the worksheet to see where it came out.

 --

wcurtis(at)nerv10.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 6:47 pm Post subject: VP-200 Update

OK, is this the "saving" by spending or are you saying that if you had not installed the VP-200 you would have installed $8,245 ($6,495+$1,750) worth of wiring, breakers and devices?  This, I find hard to believe.  And there is the tell;  this product is a GREAT deal for a reseller.  It allows them to add another high value item to the customer cost that saves THEM the reseller time in wiring.  Don't get me wrong, I think this would also be great for those that have never or had little or no experience wiring an aircraft also.  But you would have had to have slept through economics class for the VP-200 to save the end user money over a conventional design.  The ket fob and automation features are compelling however for a VFR aircraft.



William

http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/ 



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jesse(at)saintaviation.co
Guest

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 7:46 pm Post subject: VP-200 Update

That is not a savings of $1,750 beyond the cost of the unit, but  

rather towards the cost of the unit, according to my calculations.  As  

I mentioned, "it really comes into play a lot when you start  

calculating the amount of time it saves" on wiring.  For those who  

want to take the time as in many other aspects of the plane, then it  

would only be a benefit if they would otherwise pay someone to wire  

their plane because they don't feel they are up to the task of wiring  

for whatever reason.  Yes, it can be a great deal for a reseller/ 

installer because of the time savings, but I am actually making the  

point that would hurt a reseller, that it makes the wiring easy enough  

that more people can do it that would otherwise not want to mess with  

the wiring, and I know there are a lot of people like that (how many  

on the list have done or plan to do all of their wiring except the  

standard wiring harnesses for things like radios and other  

instruments?).  For the completely budget conscious person who is  

comfortable doing the wiring, then this is not the way to go.  For  

them just going with a couple of fuse blocks and half a dozen cheap  

switches is the cheapest way to go.



Jesse Saint

Saint Aviation, Inc.

jesse(at)saintaviation.com

Cell: 352-427-0285

Fax: 815-377-3694



On Dec 14, 2007, at 9:57 PM, William Curtis wrote:



[quote] 



 OK, is this the "saving" by spending or are you saying that if you  

 had not installed the VP-200 you would have installed $8,245 ($6,495+ 

 $1,750) worth of wiring, breakers and devices?  This, I find hard to  

 believe.  And there is the tell;  this product is a GREAT deal for a  

 reseller.  It allows them to add another high value item to the  

 customer cost that saves THEM the reseller time in wiring.  Don't  

 get me wrong, I think this would also be great for those that have  

 never or had little or no experience wiring an aircraft also.  But  

 you would have had to have slept through economics class for the  

 VP-200 to save the end user money over a conventional design.  The  

 ket fob and automation features are compelling however for a VFR  

 aircraft.



 William

 http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/



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kearney(at)shaw.ca
Guest

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 8:39 pm Post subject: VP-200 Update

Bob  

   

I am going with the VP200. I am also using an Approach Systems faststack (see http://www.approachfaststack.com/index.html) to do the wiring interconnects between the various boxes. Between these two systems, I expect my wiring chores to be manageable.   

   

My reason for using the VP20 was I wanted to make the power side of the wiring as simple as possible I saw the unit at KOSH and was very impressed. I was also impressed that people such as Stein spoke highly of the product. Stein has a great rep within the -10 community so I give a lot of weight to his recommendation.  

   

There are a lot of things that are built into the box such as being able to identify and isolate electrical problems very quickly. The box also handles failures such as load shedding based on either or IFR or VFR rules if there is an alternator failure. It will turn the boost pump on if the main fuel pump fails. It will wig wag lights. If will control trim tab speed based on the mode of flight. It will allow the trim controls on the co-pilots stick to be disabled at the push of a button. It will provide audible warnings for various error conditions such as a door being ajar.   

   

Many of not all of these conditions can be duplicated using other products. This would require however, the integration of different products which may be complicated.  

   

I want to do my own wiring and as I readily admit I am a rank amateur at this, I want it to be as simple and fool/idiot proof as possible.   

   

I also think that the panel will be safer and easier to troubleshoot. In fact, in most cases I expect that the VP200 will zero in on the problem for me.  

   

Unlike most -10 builders, I am going the “alterative engine” route and am installing an Eggenfellner E6TI engine.  This means my electrical system needs to be bullet proof because no electrical system means the fan upfront stops and I start to sweat. I believe that the VP200 will provide the level of reliability I want. They have a wiring scheme specific to the Egg engine which has been “blessed” by Jan Eggenfellner.     

   

As for convincing your wife, I suggest you use my technique – keep in mind that both my wife and I are accountants (she being far better than me). Anyway, I just say it is needed “for safety reasons”. She then makes some derogatory remark about my “plane math” and walks away. As far as costs are concerned, I keep all my receipts in a box. When the C-GCWZ first flies, I plan to burn the box and forget the cost.  

   

Cheers  

   

Les   

#40643  

   

PS: Seriously though. Download the user manual / install manuals for the VP200 and have a good read. Understand what the VP200 really can do and I think you will be pleasantly surprised.  

         

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler

 Sent: December-14-07 5:51 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: VP-200 Update  

  

   

Les,  

   

Are you going with the 100 or 200?  

   

I’m still struggling with the price/value of the unit.     

   

Having met Marc and team at Michael Sausen’s house before OSH and listening to him explain the system, it is certainly a great product.    I think I would want to go with the 200, but am having difficulties justifying the expense to myself, let alone my wife.  

   

Bob  

   

       

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney

 Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 5:50 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: VP-200 Update  

  

  

   

Hmmm  

   

I have a couple of long conversations with Marc Ausman of Vertical Power over the past couple of weeks. I have decided to use their product after seeing it at KOSH and reading the online docs.   

   

I like the idea of eliminating the traditional bus / breaker arrangement for something that is a more sophisticated. One of the nice things about their system is that it builds in capabilities that would otherwise require integration of other boxes. Things like trim sensitivity, landing light wig wags, door alarms / annuciators / low voltage warnings / audible alarms / etc.   

   

If VP’s post sales support is even half of what the pre-sales support is like, they will be a great company to deal with.  

   

Cheers  

   

Les Kearney  

#40643  

C-GCWZ (reserved)  

         

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint

 Sent: December-14-07 3:13 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: VP-200 Update  

  

   

We are ready to fly, just awaiting the permission from the Ecuadorian "FAA".  Those of us who live and fly in the US sure have it good.  You have to have permission to spit in the air down here.    

   

    

As an update on the Vertical Power system that some are interested in hearing, we have it up and running and mostly configured.  It so far is a fantastic way to handle the electrical system, from initial wiring to setting flaps and wiring trims.  With the trim settings, if you have it wired backwards, you can just flip it in the menus and it changed direction.  The flaps allow you to set up, down and two intermediate positions if you have an indicator (enter the Ray Allen position sensor), so if you want up, 0, 10 and 30 instead of up, 0, 15 and 30, that's no problem.  I don't think they have implemented the trim sensitivity option yet, but it will soon be possible to automatically slow down the trims in cruise and speed them back up in slow flight and pattern work.  Adding circuits, like we added for pumps from wingtip tanks to the mains, is super easy.  Just pick an open pin, run a wire and set it up in the menu.  They are right now debugging the reading from the Dynon EMS to help with the automatic mode switching (we are the first ones running on a Dynon with the VP), but the GPS info from the 430 is already on there to do some of the mode switching.  Each device can be set up to come on automatically in any mode, including preflight, so you could have it turn on a Garmin 496 during preflight to go ahead and start downloading the weather.  

    

   

    

Overall, I am so far very impressed with both the functionality, the ease of installation, the great documentation and the quick and thorough tech support in getting things running.  I just wish all of the possibilities were already implemented in the software.  That will come.  

    

   

    

For the record, I am not affiliated with Vertical Power, but I am one of their dealers, which I will continue to be as long as they keep up the good work.  

    

   

          

Jesse Saint  

    

Saint Aviation, Inc.  

    

jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)  

    

Cell: 352-427-0285  

    

Fax: 815-377-3694  

  

  

  

   

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hotwheels

Joined: 01 Jun 2007
Posts: 240

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 3:30 pm Post subject: VP-200 Update

They are a start up. History shows that you.... a) shouldn't be excited to be first to deploy and b) don't put down a large deposit. 



Cheers,

Jay



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tsts4

Joined: 06 Aug 2007
Posts: 167
Location: Tampa, FL

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 6:55 am Post subject: Re: VP-200 Update

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		  They are a start up. History shows that you.... a) shouldn't be excited to be first to deploy and b) don't put down a large deposit.  



Cheers, 

Jay 

	




All true.  New products and companies, particularly those involved in aviation, should always be viewed with caution -- Caveat Emptor.  However, in the case of Vertical Power, they only bill when ready to ship and they are shipping products -- this isn't vaporware.  I know because I have a VP-200 and a wiring harness sitting in my workshop. Marc and crew have also been very responsive to questions and requests for support.

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