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ChangDriver

Joined: 15 Sep 2007
Posts: 266

Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 6:31 pm Post subject: Best Aerobatic Aircraft

OK, I'll stick my neck out with this one.....MX2.  Have you guys read about this plane?  All carbon fiber, two-place, 400+ deg/sec roll, +/- 14gs.  Check it out at www.mx2aircraft.com.



Continuing to stick my neck out....the Pitts S1 is probably the BEST price performer of any aircraft capable of competition aerobatics.



On the list also is the Giles, Extra, Edge 540, and Pitts S2C.  Of course, if you want to take someone along, the MX2, Extra, and Pitts S2C are the planes of choice.



OK, none of these have round engines.  As for the 50, it was a great airplane in its day and is a good price performer.  The Sukhoi is also a stellar aircraft even though it is late 80s, early 90s technology.  Technology (and prices) have moved on.



Oh, if only the bank account were larger!!



Craig



PS - am I excommunicated from the list since my choices have flat engines??

viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:26 pm Post subject: Best Aerobatic Aircraft

Obviously a deranged man. The only cure is to spend more time behind the

bone stimulating rumble of a M-14.

Doc



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brian-1927(at)lloyd.com
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:09 pm Post subject: Best Aerobatic Aircraft

On Feb 21, 2008, at 8:23 PM, Roger Kemp M.D. wrote:



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 Obviously a deranged man. The only cure is to spend more time behind  

 the

 bone stimulating rumble of a M-14.


	


Trog like fly. Trog like thing go round. Thing go round, Trog go up,  

Trog go fast. Trog not care why thing go round. Trog not care that  

thing go round be flat or round or make loud putt-putt noise.



Trog work on generator now.



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I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .

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jorgen.nielsen(at)mweb.co
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:04 pm Post subject: Best Aerobatic Aircraft

Round thing go putt putt - Trog be happy.  Round thing be quiet, Trog be

sad.



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jan.mevis(at)informavia.b
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 11:00 pm Post subject: Best Aerobatic Aircraft

What you state, is all very correct, Craig. 



Now for fun flying, I prefer my Yak 50 over the Extra 300 that I also may

fly regularly. But if you want to do some competitive aerobatics (even

intermediate level, but certainly advanced; I don't even think about

unlimited) IMHO a Yak 52 and even a Yak 50 can't compete. The Yak 50 can

easily do a series of vertical rolls, but roll rate - even with shovels - is

way too slow. And the YAk 50 is so fast, that you've got to work hard to

stay in the box.



But my Yak 50 easily outclimbs an Extra 300L (without passenger). And I

still like the amazed looks of spectators when being airborne in no time

with my Yak 50. In an Extra 300L, you still have to wait for speed building

up, stick forward, and then rotate. Yak 50: just hold the stick, full

throttle and you take off before you know it. 



I also agree with you about the Pitts. It's an adorable airplane. And every

landing with a Pitts is a challenge ....



Jan



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viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
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Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 4:41 am Post subject: Best Aerobatic Aircraft

No..Trog shit pelt...make rapid ug..Ugg..UGGG while banging glare shield

with club!

Doc



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cjpilot710(at)aol.com
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Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 5:07 am Post subject: Best Aerobatic Aircraft

In a message dated 2/22/2008 7:44:03 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  viperdoc(at)mindspring.com writes:

  

 AH!  Trog know answer.  Much wampum.  Big white father with  much wampum let pretty boys play with stinky noise thing.  They play and  play and play until big white father say, no more.  Get to old like  Trog.  Still want play - no wampum - come see Trog.  Me show them  CJ-6.  Trog ALWAYS poor.  No wampum from first day.  But Trog  still need to play and play and play and play.

  

 Yak OK for short play and play and play.  Not good looking over  horizon.

 CJ-6 OK for Old Trog for short play and play.  But good for go see  fruit of my loins.  Make Trog mate happy too.  She no like play and  play and play.

 Big white father pretty boys sad.  No wampum for stinky noise  thing.  Must come down from tree and walk ground like Trog.  Soon see  Trog play and play and play looonnnng time.

  

 Great truth of life is wampum.  All earth and sky turn around  wampum!

  

 Trog Pappy

  

 [quote]-->    Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp M.D."    <viperdoc(at)mindspring.com>



No..Trog shit pelt...make rapid    ug..Ugg..UGGG while banging glare shield

with    club!

Doc



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mark.bitterlich(at)navy.m
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Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 3:06 pm Post subject: Best Aerobatic Aircraft

Good choice Craig.  



As for your comments on the Suke...  Well... Not sure I agree with that.

No other aircraft uses titanium the way that darn thing does... Mainly

because no other country could AFFORD to put it in there like the

Russians did/still do.  Further, varients of the M-14 or M-9 have

horsepower figures that are near or over 450 HP.  Put all the mods

together from EVERYONE, and you might even EXCEED 450 HP.  I was told

that the 31's wing went over 20 G's before it failed in a load to

destruction test.  After it failed, they stressed it again, and it went

to NINE G's (!!!) before it failed the second time.  I know of no other

aircraft that can do THAT.  



That said, while technology does indeed move on, in the case of the

Sukhoi 31, it had to.. Just to come close to catching up!  



Sure the Pitts is great... And was one of the best in the world... Until

the Russians came along with their product.  I would have to say that a

YAK-55 can out-do a Pitts... Other than maybe the Model 12 of course. 



All a matter of opinion of course, but it is interesting to compare what

models won what titles in the World's.  



Mark

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HawkerPilot2015

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 503

Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 10:16 pm Post subject: Re: Best Aerobatic Aircraft

The Pitts, Extra....just do not look as cool as a Suk or Yak....isnt that the important part?

jan.mevis(at)informavia.b
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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 3:02 am Post subject: Best Aerobatic Aircraft

Question of taste. I find the Pitts S2A with the front cockpit covered a

beautiful airplane. It has earned it's place in history.



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viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
Guest

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 4:46 am Post subject: Best Aerobatic Aircraft

Now if we are going to get into the flat head bipes, then add the Christian

Eagle too! She is a little less squirrelly to land than the Pitts S1 or S2.

And she looks just as good on the ground as in the air as does the Pitts.

Bottom line is, we love our airplanes and we love flying them. As one of my

hanger mates said last evening as we were closing up the hanger about to

turn out the lights, "can you just walk away from them without looking back

for that one last glimpse?" No! They are our steel mistresses! They come

close to sex!

Doc



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drc(at)wscare.com
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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 8:25 am Post subject: Best Aerobatic Aircraft

Have you been talking to my wife?

She always says she knows when I've been to see my girlfrind because  

I'm smiling and smell like her - oil and gas 



Herb

On Feb 23, 2008, at 6:43 AM, Roger Kemp M.D. wrote:



[quote] 

 >



 Now if we are going to get into the flat head bipes, then add the  

 Christian

 Eagle too! She is a little less squirrelly to land than the Pitts S1  

 or S2.

 And she looks just as good on the ground as in the air as does the  

 Pitts.

 Bottom line is, we love our airplanes and we love flying them. As  

 one of my

 hanger mates said last evening as we were closing up the hanger  

 about to

 turn out the lights, "can you just walk away from them without  

 looking back

 for that one last glimpse?" No! They are our steel mistresses! They  

 come

 close to sex!

 Doc



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andy717(at)COMCAST.NET
Guest

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 9:45 am Post subject: Best Aerobatic Aircraft

Nothing looks as cool as this www.radialrocket.com, well, save for my Pitts

S1.



Andy Hawes

www.radialrocketman.com

On 2/23/08 12:16 AM, "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50(at)fuse.net> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 The Pitts, Extra....just do not look as cool as a Suk or Yak....isnt that the

 important part?

 

 

 

 

 Read this topic online here:

 

 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=165682#165682

brian-1927(at)lloyd.com
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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 9:54 am Post subject: Best Aerobatic Aircraft

On Feb 23, 2008, at 4:43 AM, Roger Kemp M.D. wrote:



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 Now if we are going to get into the flat head bipes, then add the  

 Christian

 Eagle too! She is a little less squirrelly to land than the Pitts S1  

 or S2.


	


Do you really think that the Pitts is squirrelly on landing? Quick,  

yes, but it didn't feel squirrelly to me. OTOH, I liked my Piper  

Clipper too.



 	  Quote: 	
		   turn out the lights, "can you just walk away from them without  

 looking back

 for that one last glimpse?" No! They are our steel mistresses! They  

 come

 close to sex!


	


Sorry Doc but flying is better than sex. I can still make several hops  

in one day and each hop lasts an hour. (Well, when I am doing full-on  

acro I can't last for an hour but I can still make two or three hops.)  

And anyone on this list who tells me that he can have sex several  

times per day for an hour at a time, well ... I promise not to laugh  

too hard.



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Brian Lloyd                         3191 Western Drive

brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com    Cameron Park, CA 95682

+1.916.367.2131 (voice)             +1.270.912.0788 (fax)



I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .

— Antoine de Saint-Exupéry



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HawkerPilot2015

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 503

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 1:08 pm Post subject: Re: Best Aerobatic Aircraft

 	  Quote: 	
		  Nothing looks as cool as this www.radialrocket.com, well, save for my Pitts

S1. 	




Thats a cute airplane.

viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
Guest

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 7:19 pm Post subject: Best Aerobatic Aircraft

Naw, but it is a common language between women of aviators! 

Doc Kemp



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viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
Guest

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 7:27 pm Post subject: Best Aerobatic Aircraft

Danged, I was going to add that but decided not to! 

Still waiting for the 4 hour Viagra moment!

Doc



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viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
Guest

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 7:35 pm Post subject: Best Aerobatic Aircraft

Needs to fold her feet up and the tail needs to look more like a YAK's.

IMHO

Doc



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ChangDriver

Joined: 15 Sep 2007
Posts: 266

Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 11:06 am Post subject: Re: Best Aerobatic Aircraft

By the way, my aerobatic mount will be my CJ.  I know, I know, it is not the "best" aerobatic plane.  BUT it does warbird style aerobatics just fine.  Being in my late 40's I don't want or need to pull lots of Gs to have fun. 



I will only own one plane and the CJ gives me 1) a great community of owners (both Yaks, CJs and others), 2) a plane to take friends flying (my wife will not fly), 3) a plane to do fun, simple, aerobatics with, 4) with extended range tanks, a plane to make trips with (SNF, OSH, RPA events, etc), and 5) in my opinion, a darn good looking plane.



So, the CJ fit the bill for me as the "best" aerobatic aircraft.



Craig

brian-1927(at)lloyd.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 3:12 pm Post subject: Best Aerobatic Aircraft

On Feb 24, 2008, at 11:06 AM, Craig Winkelmann, CFI wrote:



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		   So, the CJ fit the bill for me as the "best" aerobatic aircraft.


	


Sounds like you are saying, "best general-purpose aircraft". I agree  

that the CJ is a better GP aircraft. But the CJ6A is *not* an  

aerobatic mount. It will roll (after a fashion) and it will loop. It  

will not do a hammerhead (you have to fly it around the corner) and it  

will not stay in a spin at forward CG. But it does have the best  

control "feel" and harmony of any airplane I have flown. I like it.



(For that matter, I have never met an airplane I didn't like. Well,  

maybe the C-172. It is just beyond boring.)



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Brian Lloyd                         3191 Western Drive

brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com    Cameron Park, CA 95682

+1.916.367.2131 (voice)             +1.270.912.0788 (fax)



I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .

— Antoine de Saint-Exupéry



PGP key ID:          12095C52A32A1B6C

PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0  CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C

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