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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 3:49 pm Post subject: Rotax Oil Penzoil

Anyone running "aircooled" oil in thier watercooled motors I want to use my left over fuel from flying in my outboard motor ...Dave

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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 4:43 pm Post subject: Re: Rotax Oil Penzoil

Won't hurt a thing.

Do you know that Penzoil just relabels some of their products for marketing. No change in actual formula. Talk to the marketing guys and they'll tell you there is a difference. I have talked to the engineer's at Penzoil group and they say BS they just relabeled. And I'm sure if you talk to other people you will hear everything in between.

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John Hauck

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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 5:05 pm Post subject: Rotax Oil Penzoil

> Do you know that Penzoil just relabels some of their products for 

marketing.  >

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Which products and what new labels?



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Thom Riddle

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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 3:44 am Post subject: Rotax Oil Penzoil

Roger,



Pennzoil CHANGED THE NAME(and thus the label) of the 2-stroke oil for  

air cooled engines to something with "outdoor" in it. They DO NOT have  

a single oil formulation being currently sold with two different  

names! Your statement that they are simply relabeling is misleading.



Also, the 912ul engine compression ratio is 9.0:1 not 8.5:1.



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Dana

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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 4:07 am Post subject: Rotax Oil Penzoil

At 07:42 AM 3/10/2008, Thom Riddle wrote:



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		  Pennzoil CHANGED THE NAME(and thus the label) of the 2-stroke oil for

air cooled engines to something with "outdoor" in it. They DO NOT have

a single oil formulation being currently sold with two different

names! Your statement that they are simply relabeling is misleading.


	


They changed the name of the "air cooled 2-stroke" oil to "outdoor", but 

the "watercooled" product is/was something different.  Whether it's 

_really_ anything different I don't know, but it would make sense that the 

formulation would be different for an outboard engine running at lower 

temperatures (cooled as it is by a steady supply of cold water) as opposed 

to an aircooled engine running at higher temperatures.



Either way, I would think that the air cooled ("outdoor") oil would be a 

better choice for a water cooled Rotax since the operating conditions are 

closer to those of an air cooled engine than an outboard.  When you think 

about it, a watercooled Rotax on a plane IS air cooled... just indirectly.



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rowedenny

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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 11:57 am Post subject: Rotax Oil Penzoil

Dave,

 I run Penzoil air cooled in my 2SI 690L-70 and it  likes it. 

  

 Dennis Rowe

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Roger Lee

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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 12:55 pm Post subject: Re: Rotax Oil Penzoil

Hi Thom,



According to the marketing guys you get on the phone you are 100%right. They make everything special. Talk to the engineers behind those guys down in the trenches and get a different story. I heard it both ways  when I did an oil study 5 years ago. I never talk to marketers on a phone anymore. They only tell you what they were told or is written in front of them. I got burned once or twice and have learned to dig deeper past the hype.

I believe I had corrected that post for 9:1 compression within a minute of posting. I checked it, it still reads 9:1.

Some oils used around water do have a different additive package.

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jim

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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 12:58 pm Post subject: Re: Rotax Oil Penzoil

I don't think you'd have any problems running the Pennzoil "Aircooled" 2 stroke oil in an outboard.  The Aircooled product is made to lubricate under the much tougher conditions (i.e. higher temps) of aircooled engines, such as chainsaws, weedwackers, etc.

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Dana

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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 1:55 pm Post subject: Rotax Oil Penzoil

At 04:58 PM 3/10/2008, jim wrote:



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		  I don't think you'd have any problems running the Pennzoil "Aircooled" 2 

stroke oil in an outboard.  The Aircooled product is made to lubricate 

under the much tougher conditions (i.e. higher temps) of aircooled 

engines, such as chainsaws, weedwackers, etc.


	


Not saying it's the case here, I really don't know, but I can visualize an 

oil formulated for the higher temperatures of an air cooled engine sludging 

or carboning up in a cooler running water cooled outboard... or an oil 

formulated for a cooler running not lubricating as well in a hotter engine.



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Steve Boetto

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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 2:18 pm Post subject: Rotax Oil Penzoil



                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        

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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 2:24 pm Post subject: Rotax Oil Penzoil

In a message dated 3/10/2008 6:18:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  N27SB(at)aol.com writes:

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		  Good for    water-cooled and air-cooled 2-cycle engines  	




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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 2:32 pm Post subject: Rotax Oil Penzoil

Hmmm, makes me wonder if the new "Outdoor" oil (whether or not it's the oil that's new or just the packaging) is intended to replace both their "air cooled" and their "outboard" oil.



 'Course I knew some guys that used nothing but generic TC-W3 oil from West Marine in the 503 on their Quick with no troubles that I know of.



 -Dana



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 A high performance 2-cycle engine oil meeting or exceeding the warranty requirements of all leading manufacturers of 2-cycle products including chain saws, lawn mowers, motorcycles and string trimmers, as well as outboard engines made by: Johnson/Evinrude, Mercury Marine, Yamaha, Suzuki, Nissan, Force/US Marine, Mariner, Sears and all other manufacturers requiring NMMA TC-W3...

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lucien

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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 7:04 pm Post subject: Re: Rotax Oil Penzoil

 	  Dana wrote: 	
		  Hmmm, makes me wonder if the new "Outdoor" oil (whether or not it's the oil that's new or just the packaging) is intended to replace both their "air cooled" and their "outboard" oil.



 'Course I knew some guys that used nothing but generic TC-W3 oil from West Marine in the 503 on their Quick with no troubles that I know of.



 -Dana



	




Look at the API spec on the bottle, that'll tell you which oil grade you have. The TCW-III grade is primarily a standard for lubricating water-cooled 2 strokes. API TC grade is a tougher standard intended for lubing air-cooled motors.



The TCW-III spec does specify a miniimum lubrication ability for air-cooled engines, tho, so it will work fine in an air-cooled engine as well. It's not as stringent as the TC spec tho...



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