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dave

Joined: 22 Sep 2006
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 5:35 pm Post subject: Re: Tricycle Kitfox II

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		  I wonder what the gross weight would be if Model 4 wings were used? I 

seem to remember someone on this list who has done something like this. 	


Guys, Wake up !!!!   You cannot JUST change the wings and get a higher gross weight. There are many other things that have changed from Models 1 to IV    

eg- Tube size, and wall thickness and different bracing. 

this alone will be found on longerons,  crossmembers, wingstruts.



If you believe that this is infact the correct gross weight get Mc Bean to tell you in writing. Or even Dan Denney since he is the one who set the wight in the first place. 



But remember the builder can SET the wight to what ever he /she wants.



I would compare to other model 1s and  3 models to see what changed. 



And for you who do not know there were early model failure of parts of the fuselage near the wing struts attach point at the longerons.  No one wants to  talk about that but Dan denney would certainly know this.

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avidfox

Joined: 03 Apr 2007
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 5:42 pm Post subject: Tricycle Kitfox II

Steve,

   Great name...

   Would it be correct..., or incorrect...,  to say that there was no information about the "gross weight"  concerning  N85DD on file with the FAA that would have made the conversation with Mr.Denny unnecessary?

   

 (Note, to no one in particular, all past and present aircraft info is available on a CD  thru the FAA at http://162.58.35.241/e.gov/ND/airrecordsND.asp  for $10.00)

   

   Would it be correct, or incorrect, to say that Mr. Denny (and who would know better?) has only stated that in his (undisputable) opinion, due to modification to the original design, that the aircraft is now safe to fly at a total weight of 1050#, yet this weight is not "certificated" or "certified" by the FAA in any way?

   

 (I am preparing a post on this exact subject and it would be helpful information. Your response might save me some grief..., or help prove a point.)

  

 Respectfully,

 Steve Benesh

 84KF

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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 6:08 pm Post subject: Tricycle Kitfox II

"dave" <dave(at)cfisher.com (dave(at)cfisher.com)> wrote:

"And for you who do not know there were early model failure of parts of the fuselage near the wing struts attach point at the longerons.  No one wants to  talk about that but Dan denney would certainly know this."

  

 Dave, do you have specific information on this statement?



Jose



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Rex Hefferan

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
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Location: Olney Springs, Colorado USA "NOT a Kitpig"

Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 8:00 pm Post subject: Tricycle Kitfox II

Just to clarify, My question was meant as a point of engineering 

curiosity. I am aware that certain fuselage changes were made with each 

model and gross weight increase. This question probably may only be 

answered by a qualified Aeronatical Engineer. Until then I withdraw the 

question.

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dave wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

>I wonder what the gross weight would be if Model 4 wings were used? I 

>seem to remember someone on this list who has done something like this.

>    

>

Guys, Wake up !!!!   You cannot JUST change the wings and get a higher gross weight. There are many other things that have changed from Models 1 to IV    

eg- Tube size, and wall thickness and different bracing. 

this alone will be found on longerons,  crossmembers, wingstruts.

If you believe that this is infact the correct gross weight get Mc Bean to tell you in writing. Or even Dan Denney since he is the one who set the wight in the first place. 

But remember the builder can SET the wight to what ever he /she wants.

I would compare to other model 1s and  3 models to see what changed. 

And for you who do not know there were early model failure of parts of the fuselage near the wing struts attach point at the longerons.  No one wants to  talk about that but Dan denney would certainly know this.

--------

Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada

Flying Videos and Kitfox Info

http://www.cfisher.com/

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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 8:24 pm Post subject: Tricycle Kitfox II

The chain is only as strong as it's weakest link,   I know that Kitfox wanted to sell me a sub kit of Kitfox 4 wings for my Kitfox 3 project and they said they would fit just fine.  But if the carry throughs (or struts or something else) was only good for a lower weigh, that would be the weakest link.  I know they didn't say I would end up with a higher gross weight   JIm Chuk Avids  Mn



[quote] Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 21:56:37 -0600

 To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Re: Tricycle Kitfox II

 From: hefferans(at)gmail.com

 

 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Rexinator <hefferans(at)gmail.com>

 

 Just to clarify, My question was meant as a point of engineering 

 curiosity. I am aware that certain fuselage changes were made with each 

 model and gross weight increase. This question probably may only be 

 answered by a qualified Aeronatical Engineer. Until then I withdraw the 

 question.

 

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 Rex Hefferan

 SE Colorado / K-II / 582-C / still waiting repairs

 

 

 dave wrote:

 

 >--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dave" <dave(at)cfisher.com>

 > 

 >

 >>I wonder what the gross weight would be if Model 4 wings were used? I 

 >>seem to remember someone on this list who has done something like this.

 >> 

 >>

 >

 >Guys, Wake up !!!! You cannot JUST change the wings and get a higher gross weight. There are many other things that have changed from Models 1 to IV 

 >eg- Tube size, and wall thickness and different bracing. 

 >this alone will be found on longerons, crossmembers, wingstruts.

 >

 >If you believe that this is infact the correct gross weight get Mc Bean to tell you in writing. Or even Dan Denney since he is the one who set the wight in the first place. 

 >

 >But remember the builder can SET the wight to what ever he /she wants.

 >

 >I would compare to other model 1s and 3 models to see what changed. 

 >

 >And for you who do not know there were early model failure of parts of the fuselage near the wing struts attach point at the longerons. No one wants to talk about that but Dan denney would certainly know this.

 >

 >--------

 >Rotax Dealer, Ontario Canada

 >Flying Videos and Kitfox Info

 >http://www.cfisher.com/

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Float Flyr

Joined: 19 Jul 2006
Posts: 2704
Location: Campbellton, Newfoundland

Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 2:24 am Post subject: Tricycle Kitfox II

How did you contact Dan Denney?  I have a model II that was supposed to be

upgraded to model III and would like his views on upgrading the gross weight

to 1050 on floats when registration is amended this spring.



Noel

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dave

Joined: 22 Sep 2006
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Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 3:33 pm Post subject: Re: Tricycle Kitfox II

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		  Dave, do you have specific information on this statement? 



Jose 	




Well Dan denney would know for sure, I doubt he will ever admit it but there were a few issues in the early days.  This is why I am concerned about a Model 1 and high gross weights and a 912.

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