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msausen

Joined: 25 Oct 2007
Posts: 559
Location: Appleton, WI USA

Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 6:03 pm Post subject: Garmin 1000 additions

[quote]Looks like Garmin is sleeping on the job either.  They’ve added some very nice synthetic vis and HITS to the G1000.   Probably only a matter of time before it trickles down to the G900. http://www.aopa.org/pilot/firstlook/080408garminsvs.html Michael[b]

Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2882

Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 6:29 pm Post subject: Garmin 1000 additions

The way I understand it, it will already be available on the G900X.

So I don't think there will be a long wait.  It definitely improves

the system.



The one thing that does disappoint me a bit is the super hi-res

type color patterning.  I think too many companies try to stretch

to the "WOW" factor rather than ultimate safety-conscious design

on some of that stuff.  It's not only a waste of processor on

displaying graphics, but check out that G900TERRAIN photo with the

big red and orange mountain, and see how the compass in the center

looks.....I understand they're trying to figure out how to improve

it already, but man, if you can't see the text and data fields well,

then you're really looking at some safety downfalls all to make

for a pretty display.  Safety and functionality before glitter.



But, at least they finally brought the features up to a level that

really improves it's attractiveness.  It should serve people

much better now if they figure out the color thing.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

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RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:

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		   Looks like Garmin is sleeping on the job either.  They’ve added some

 very nice synthetic vis and HITS to the G1000.   Probably only a

 matter of time before it trickles down to the G900.

 

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stein(at)steinair.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 7:54 am Post subject: Garmin 1000 additions

Indeed a nice looking system. I can sort of see where Tim is coming from

here and I rarely disagree with him. Im this case the DG does appear a bit

washed out, but on the other hand it's washed out because the system is

telling us we're about to fly into a granite cloud.  At that point I don't

really care what direction the plane is aiming (or what the data fields

ultimately say), as long as it doesn't stay aimed at the big immovable

mountain in front of me! If the screen is turning blood red in front of you

I doubt any of us will much care what is in any of the data field - or at

least that's my personal take on it.



Anyway my point is everything is subjective and there are different ways at

looking at things.  I certainly see Tim's point but in the same breath we

all have to realize that he might be just a tiny wee bit biased......sorry

to call you out TimO! 



Some people will love it and others won't.  Some will buy it and others will

not.  It's all about choice, and now with 2 systems having certified terrain

available to us it just makes the entire market even more attractive!



My 2 cents as usual.  Just playing devils advocate a little bit and all in

fun as typical!(at)  



Cheers,

Stein



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msausen

Joined: 25 Oct 2007
Posts: 559
Location: Appleton, WI USA

Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 8:26 am Post subject: Garmin 1000 additions

Which actually brings up another thing that I started harping on a few years back.  Is Chelton going to get rid of the wireframe terrain for something a little less, well, ugly?  They are the low man on the display pole nowadays.



Michael



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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2882

Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 8:46 am Post subject: Garmin 1000 additions

Oh don't worry...I did say that they finally have something with

enough of the key features that it would be attractive. 

Personally, I think that there are downsides to tweaking the

graphics out too much, and upsides to keeping it 100% readable

and clean.  But, with the direction they're now headed, if I were

re-planning a panel, I can now say that there are 2 (or 3) systems

that I might consider....The G900, the L3, and the Chelton are

the ones that I'd be seriously looking at.  I'd like to see

L3 get installed and flying in a bunch of equivalent airframes

though first.



The HITS is far more useful than you'd imagine, and the fact

that they added it is a big bonus.



I'll take one semi cheap shot though....Garmin is like the

MicroSoft of the avionics industry.  With the proprietary

crap they pull, people end up getting to be 100% reliant on

them and their integrateable items, so even when they make some

good moves, a little part of me still cringes in that regards.

I think ideally all this WX, Traffic, GPS WAAS, ADS-B, and all

the other goodies would become much cheaper if the communication

standards were all open and they all were forced to integrate

on the same standards.



It's now much more attractive though than 6 months ago,

so it's definitely a good thing.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

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SteinAir, Inc. wrote:

[quote] 

 

 Indeed a nice looking system. I can sort of see where Tim is coming from

 here and I rarely disagree with him. Im this case the DG does appear a bit

 washed out, but on the other hand it's washed out because the system is

 telling us we're about to fly into a granite cloud.  At that point I don't

 really care what direction the plane is aiming (or what the data fields

 ultimately say), as long as it doesn't stay aimed at the big immovable

 mountain in front of me! If the screen is turning blood red in front of you

 I doubt any of us will much care what is in any of the data field - or at

 least that's my personal take on it.

 

 Anyway my point is everything is subjective and there are different ways at

 looking at things.  I certainly see Tim's point but in the same breath we

 all have to realize that he might be just a tiny wee bit biased......sorry

 to call you out TimO! 

 

 Some people will love it and others won't.  Some will buy it and others will

 not.  It's all about choice, and now with 2 systems having certified terrain

 available to us it just makes the entire market even more attractive!

 

 My 2 cents as usual.  Just playing devils advocate a little bit and all in

 fun as typical!(at)  

 

 Cheers,

 Stein

 

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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2882

Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 8:49 am Post subject: Garmin 1000 additions

Personally I think there's a reasoning behind the wire

frame and other than maybe smoothing it a bit, I'd prefer

they keep it closer to the way it is than what some of

them are going to.  Right now it's functional and safe,

and pretty isn't the concern.  Yeah, I was amazed 4

years ago by BMA's stuff too, but at the time I wasn't

thinking about some of the side effects of getting fancy

with the colors....and actually, these days some of the

manufacturers are going a little far with the glitz

IMHO.  There's got to be a happy medium some where that

would add to safety but still be nicer looking.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

do not archive

RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:

[quote] 

 <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net>

 

 Which actually brings up another thing that I started harping on a

 few years back.  Is Chelton going to get rid of the wireframe terrain

 for something a little less, well, ugly?  They are the low man on the

 display pole nowadays.

 

 Michael

 

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AV8ORJWC

Joined: 13 Jul 2006
Posts: 1149
Location: Aurora, Oregon "Home of VANS"

Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:07 am Post subject: Garmin 1000 additions

Not that anyone is listening but what is needed IMHO is remotely mounted

and remotely controlled avionics. Garmin should not be the only player

at the experimental level.  It gives the builder much more design and

W&B latitude.



King Air, Malibu, Mooney, DJet, Cessna/Columbia even a darned C-182.

The timing would be great.



John

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John Ackerman

Joined: 19 Jun 2006
Posts: 130
Location: Prescott, AZ

Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 12:04 pm Post subject: Garmin 1000 additions

Respectfully disagree, John.

For me, there are already too darn many wires and connections!

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John Ackerman 40458



On Apr 9, 2008, at 10:03 AM, John W. Cox wrote:



[quote] 

 <johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com>



 Not that anyone is listening but what is needed IMHO is remotely  

 mounted

 and remotely controlled avionics. Garmin should not be the only player

 at the experimental level.  It gives the builder much more design and

 W&B latitude.



 King Air, Malibu, Mooney, DJet, Cessna/Columbia even a darned C-182.

 The timing would be great.



 John

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jump2(at)sbcglobal.net
Guest

Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 2:02 pm Post subject: Garmin 1000 additions

John, 

   You've forgotten OP tech has remote avionics. And has anyone seen the OP booth at sun n fun? I'm not making it this year due to a bad back again. Would like to hear anything new?

  Patrick Thyssen



"John W. Cox" <johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com> wrote:

  [quote]--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" 



Not that anyone is listening but what is needed IMHO is remotely mounted

and remotely controlled avionics. Garmin should not be the only player

at the experimental level. It gives the builder much more design and

W&B latitude.



King Air, Malibu, Mooney, DJet, Cessna/Columbia even a darned C-182.

The timing would be great.



John

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ron.mcgann(at)baesystems.
Guest

Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 2:47 pm Post subject: Garmin 1000 additions

Yes - get rid of the blasted wires.  Bring on the distributed avionics

with Bluetooth or 802.11 connectivity!! Won't get rid of the power lines

until they introduce miniature fusion batteries that deliver endless

power <grin>, or the analog sensor lines (like CHT,EGT, OAT stall, trim

annunc etc), but would be a great way of eliminating those #22-#24AWG

wires and the panel interconnect nightmare!



cheers

Ron

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AV8ORJWC

Joined: 13 Jul 2006
Posts: 1149
Location: Aurora, Oregon "Home of VANS"

Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 4:09 pm Post subject: Garmin 1000 additions

Gary should be providing First Hand Reporting with Deems leaning into every word.  

   

I am sure listening for more remote avionics.  

   

John  

         

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Thyssen

 Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 3:00 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: Garmin 1000 additions  

  

     

John,   

    

 You've forgotten OP tech has remote avionics. And has anyone seen the OP booth at sun n fun? I'm not making it this year due to a bad back again. Would like to hear anything new?  

    

Patrick Thyssen

 

 "John W. Cox" <johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com> wrote:  

  [quote]  

--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" 

 

 Not that anyone is listening but what is needed IMHO is remotely mounted

 and remotely controlled avionics. Garmin should not be the only player

 at the experimental level. It gives the builder much more design and

 W&B latitude.

 

 King Air, Malibu, Mooney, DJet, Cessna/Columbia even a darned C-182.

 The timing would be great.

 

 John

 

 

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AV8ORJWC

Joined: 13 Jul 2006
Posts: 1149
Location: Aurora, Oregon "Home of VANS"

Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 4:24 pm Post subject: Garmin 1000 additions

Sorry Patrick, I was not aware OP Tech made avionics, just the really cool EFIS screens.  I wanted a competitor to the remotely mounted GNS530Twins used in the G900X package with GMA 1647 Remote Switch panel(s) and GCU 476 remote data entry pad.  I think Stein dialed in my number and has kids wanting to attend Stanford or Harvard on an RV-10 builders nickel, quarter, dollar.   

   

Would love to see some competitive blood on the negotiating table to help in choices.  Isn’t it interesting nothing is being said about cool ADS-B stuff at SNF.  

   

John  

         

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Thyssen

 Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 3:00 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: Garmin 1000 additions  

  

     

John,   

    

 You've forgotten OP tech has remote avionics. And has anyone seen the OP booth at sun n fun? I'm not making it this year due to a bad back again. Would like to hear anything new?  

    

Patrick Thyssen

 

 "John W. Cox" <johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com> wrote:  

  [quote]  

--> RV10-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" 

 

 Not that anyone is listening but what is needed IMHO is remotely mounted

 and remotely controlled avionics. Garmin should not be the only player

 at the experimental level. It gives the builder much more design and

 W&B latitude.

 

 King Air, Malibu, Mooney, DJet, Cessna/Columbia even a darned C-182.

 The timing would be great.

 

 John

 

 

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