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robertrv607(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 5:04 pm Post subject: recent accident

Hi:



Does any one has the information on the cause of the

accident, of the zenith, in POlk city Florida...?



Most accidents are pilot error, we know  that,  but

for a wing to separate completly, ......if that is

what happened...



Robert



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Gig Giacona

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1416
Location: El Dorado Arkansas USA

Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 5:08 am Post subject: Re: recent accident

No Robert no information yet and remember the FAA/NTSB is slow.

 	  robertrv607(at)yahoo.com wrote: 	
		  Hi:



Does any one has the information on the cause of the

accident, of the zenith, in POlk city Florida...?



Most accidents are pilot error, we know  that,  but

for a wing to separate completly, ......if that is

what happened...



Robert



do not archive

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601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR

Martin Pohl

Joined: 30 Jan 2006
Posts: 118
Location: CH-8645 Jona SG, Switzerland

Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 5:33 am Post subject: Re: recent accident

Does anybody know why the accident does not show up preliminary in the NTSB database?



I know (e.g. in Germany) that accidents with ultralight aircraft sometimes are not covered by the official accident investigation office.



Martin

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Zodiac XL QBK
8645 Jona, Switzerland
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Gig Giacona

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1416
Location: El Dorado Arkansas USA

Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 5:44 am Post subject: Re: recent accident

It usually takes a while before it makes it to the NTSB database. It does already show in the FAA database here.



http://www.faa.gov/data_statistics/accident_incident/preliminary_data/media/B_0408_Y.txt

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601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR

swater6

Joined: 16 Dec 2006
Posts: 52
Location: Minnesota-KMIC/KANE

Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 6:19 am Post subject: Re: recent accident

I do wish they would post the preliminary report so we might learn something new.  The report for the Lancair crash on Sunday is up.  http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20080417X00505&key=1

Some interesting details that weren't reported in the press.  

This plane won an award at SnF too.

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PatrickW

Joined: 27 Oct 2006
Posts: 380
Location: Fort Worth, Texas

Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 7:55 am Post subject: Re: recent accident

Anybody know if anyone's put together something like this to track for Zenith planes?



http://www.rvproject.com/ntsb.html



- Pat

Gig Giacona

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1416
Location: El Dorado Arkansas USA

Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 8:10 am Post subject: Re: recent accident

Not that I've ever heard of but looking at the source HTML of the page it doesn't seem automated in any way so it would be a lot of work.



 	  PatrickW wrote: 	
		  Anybody know if anyone's put together something like this to track for Zenith planes?



http://www.rvproject.com/ntsb.html



- Pat

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601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR

craig(at)craigandjean.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 9:02 am Post subject: recent accident

The link on the home page (www.rvproject.com) says "NTSB Accident Data for

RVs (automatically updated nightly".



-- Craig



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Gig Giacona

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1416
Location: El Dorado Arkansas USA

Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 10:18 am Post subject: Re: recent accident

Sure does, doesn't it. I never looked at the home page link. The entire page must be generated nightly because there is no significant links to outside sites on the page.



Maybe someone who would like to host such a page for Zenith aircraft could contact the webmaster and borrow the guts of the generator.

 	  craig(at)craigandjean.com wrote: 	
		  The link on the home page (www.rvproject.com) says "NTSB Accident Data for

RVs (automatically updated nightly".



-- Craig



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601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR

xl(at)prosody.org
Guest

Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 1:16 pm Post subject: recent accident

Here's my attempt, ala rvproject.

'NTSB Accident Data for Zenith, Zodiac, Zenair'

http://www.cleanh2o.com/633z/nstb/

The page is updated daily at 0404 Seattle time.



There are duplicates, found in more than 1 table,

I did not merge the datasets.



The NSTB queries look at 'Make/Model'. I did take

a look for Zenith, Zodiac and Zenair in the narrative

and didn't see more hits. If you know of other ways

to query the NSTB database please let me know.



Also, if you know of databases other than the US NSTB

database that I could include, let me know - and if

you know the queries that I should run, even better.



Joe E (at) BFI

CH601XL 505 hours

On Fri, 18 Apr 2008, PatrickW wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 Anybody know if anyone's put together something like this to track

 for Zenith planes? http://www.rvproject.com/ntsb.html

 - Pat

Gig Giacona

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1416
Location: El Dorado Arkansas USA

Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 1:47 pm Post subject: Re: recent accident

Damn fine work Joe. 



I just clicked one at random, http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20070726X01018&key=1

and noticed that he had some bad fuel in the plane. 



This should remind those of us that are in the late part of the building cycle that it might not be a bad idea to drain the fuel if is has been in there a while and do our test flights with fresh gas.

 	  xl(at)prosody.org wrote: 	
		  Here's my attempt, ala rvproject.

'NTSB Accident Data for Zenith, Zodiac, Zenair'

http://www.cleanh2o.com/633z/nstb/

The page is updated daily at 0404 Seattle time.



There are duplicates, found in more than 1 table,

I did not merge the datasets.



The NSTB queries look at 'Make/Model'. I did take

a look for Zenith, Zodiac and Zenair in the narrative

and didn't see more hits. If you know of other ways

to query the NSTB database please let me know.



Also, if you know of databases other than the US NSTB

database that I could include, let me know - and if

you know the queries that I should run, even better.



Joe E (at) BFI

CH601XL 505 hours

On Fri, 18 Apr 2008, PatrickW wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 Anybody know if anyone's put together something like this to track

 for Zenith planes? http://www.rvproject.com/ntsb.html

 - Pat

_________________
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR

n801bh(at)netzero.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 2:36 pm Post subject: recent accident

Nice job Joe... This data is real hard to collect and you are on the right track. I know of at least two 801's that crashed and I know one is in the NTSB records. Thats the Mitchell 801 that disintigrated over Nicolas California a few years back, fatal.. Also  Jim Frisby crashed his 801 in Palmer Ak, not hurt too bad... I am guessing that beyond entering the three Z's try just the model numbers, like 601 , 701 , 801 and add those to the list. Still, my hats off to ya since I can barely turn on my puter.. Thanks again 

do not archive

Ben Haas

N801BH

www.haaspowerair.com



-- xl <xl(at)prosody.org> wrote:

--> Zenith-List message posted by: xl <xl(at)prosody.org>

Here's my attempt, ala rvproject.

'NTSB Accident Data for Zenith, Zodiac, Zenair'

http://www.cleanh2o.com/633z/nstb/

The page is updated daily at 0404 Seattle time.



There are duplicates, found in more than 1 table,

I did not merge the datasets.



The NSTB queries look at 'Make/Model'. I did take

a look for Zenith, Zodiac and Zenair in the narrative

and didn't see more hits. If you know of other ways

to query the NSTB database please let me know.



Also, if you know of databases other than the US NSTB

database that I could include, let me know - and if

you know the queries that I should run, even better.



Joe E (at) BFI

CH601XL 505 hours

On Fri, 18 Apr 2008, PatrickW wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   --> Zenith-List message posted by: "PatrickW" <pwhoyt(at)yahoo.com>

 Anybody know if anyone's put together something like this to track

 for Zenith planes? http://www.rvproject.com/ntsb.ht========================bsp;        - The Zenith-List Em===============================================


	




 



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craig(at)craigandjean.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 3:30 pm Post subject: recent accident

If you download the entire FAA aircraft registration database (a 39 MB zip file from the link below) you get a set of files. One of those files (ACFTREF.csv) maps “manufacturer” and “model” names to an arbitrary code number.   

   

http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/aircraft_certification/aircraft_registry/releasable_aircraft_download/  

   

If you search the list of model names for 601, 701, 801 (and 750!) and manually eliminate the obvious non-Zenith planes you get the following 214 unique names:  

   

601 CH                

601 HDS               

601 XL                

601 XL ZODIAC         

601HD                 

601HDS                

601XL                 

701 ZENITH            

BEACHY-ZENITH CH701   

BH 701                

CH .701               

CH 601 HD             

CH 601 HD ZODIAC      

CH 601 HDS            

CH 601 XL             

CH 601 XL RTF         

CH 601 ZODIAC         

CH 701                

CH 701 S T O L        

CH 701 SP             

CH 701 STOL           

CH 701/U              

CH 701SJ              

CH 801                

CH 801 ZENITH AIR     

CH-601 HDS            

CH-601 XL             

CH-601-HD ZODIAC      

CH-601-HDS            

CH-601XL              

CH-701                

CH-701 (STOL)         

CH-701 SP             

CH-701 STOL           

CH-701-A              

CH-801                

CH601 HD              

CH601 HDS             

CH601 HDS ZODIAC      

CH601-HDS             

CH601HD               

CH601HDS              

CH601HDS-ZODIAC       

CH601XL               

CH601XL SLSA          

CH601XLI SLSA         

CH701                 

CH701SP               

CH801                 

DEVINE/ZENITH 601HDS  

FREW ZODIAC CH601 XL  

FRICANO ZODIAC-601    

G-801 GRINVALDS       

HAAS 801              

JUHL-ZODIAC CH601XL   

MARTIN LM-701         

MBCH.601              

MUELLER-CH701         

MUELLER-ZENITH CH701  

MUSSER ZODIAC 601XL   

S Z CH 601 HDS        

SHERMAN CH-701        

SPR ZODIAC CH601 HDS  

SPR ZODIAC CH601HDS   

STDL CH-701           

STOL 701              

STOL CH 701  

STOL CH 750  

STOL CH 801           

STOL CH-701           

STOL CH-801           

STOL CH701            

STOL CH801            

SUPER ZODIAC 601      

SUPER ZODIAC 601HDS   

SUPER ZODIAC CH601-H  

TROJAN-ZENAIR 601HDS  

WILLIAMS 601 HD       

Z601XL                

Z701                  

ZEBAUR CG 701         

ZENAIR 601 HDS        

ZENAIR 601HDTD        

ZENAIR 701            

ZENAIR CH 601 HD      

ZENAIR CH 601 XL      

ZENAIR CH 601HD       

ZENAIR CH 601XL       

ZENAIR CH 701         

ZENAIR CH 701 SP      

ZENAIR CH 701 STOL    

ZENAIR CH 701SP       

ZENAIR CH 801         

ZENAIR CH-701         

ZENAIR CH601          

ZENAIR CH601 HDS      

ZENAIR CH601 XL       

ZENAIR CH601HD        

ZENAIR CH601XL        

ZENAIR CH701          

ZENAIR CH701 SP       

ZENAIR CH701 STOL     

ZENAIR CH701SP        

ZENAIR STOL 701       

ZENAIR STOL CH 701    

ZENAIR STOL CH-701    

ZENAIR STOL CH701     

ZENAIR STOL-CH-701    

ZENAIR ZODIAC 601 HD  

ZENAIR ZODIAC 601HDS  

ZENAIRCH701           

ZENETH ZODIAC 601 XL  

ZENITH 601            

ZENITH 601 HD         

ZENITH 601 HDS        

ZENITH 601 XL         

ZENITH 601HD          

ZENITH 601HDS         

ZENITH 601X ZODIAC    

ZENITH 601XL          

ZENITH 701            

ZENITH 701 STOL       

ZENITH 701SP          

ZENITH 801            

ZENITH ACFT CH-701    

ZENITH AIR 601XL      

ZENITH AIR CH 701     

ZENITH CH 601 HD      

ZENITH CH 601 HDS     

ZENITH CH 601HDS      

ZENITH CH 601XL       

ZENITH CH 701         

ZENITH CH 801         

ZENITH CH-601HD       

ZENITH CH-701         

ZENITH CH-801         

ZENITH CH601 HD       

ZENITH CH701          

ZENITH CH701-STOL     

ZENITH CH801          

ZENITH STOL 701CH     

ZENITH STOL CH 701    

ZENITH STOL CH 801    

ZENITH STOL CH-701    

ZENITH STOL CH701     

ZENITH STOL CH701 SP  

ZENITH STOL CH801     

ZENITH ZOD CH 601 HD  

ZENITH ZODC 601 HDS   

ZENITH ZODC CH601HDS  

ZENITH ZODIAC 601 HD  

ZENITH ZODIAC 601 XL  

ZENITH ZODIAC 601HD   

ZENITH ZODIAC 601HDS  

ZENITH ZODIAC 601XL   

ZENITH ZODIAC CH601X  

ZENITH ZODIAC-601HDS  

ZENITH ZODIACCH601HD  

ZENITH ZODIACCH601XL  

ZENITH ZODIAK 601XL   

ZENITH-STOL CH801     

ZENITHAIR 701         

ZENITHAIR CH-601 XL   

ZENITHAIR CH801       

ZENTH ZODIAC CH601HD  

ZENTH ZODIAC CH601XL  

ZENZIR STOL CH701     

ZNAR ZODAC CH 601 HD  

ZNH SPR ZODC 601 HDS  

ZNITH ZODIAC CH601XL  

ZNITH ZODIC CH601HDS  

ZNR ZODIAC CH601 HDS  

ZNTH CH601 HD ZODIAC  

ZNTH ZODIAC CH601 HD  

ZNTH ZODIAC CH601HD   

ZNTH ZODIAC CH601HDS  

ZNTH ZODIC CH601HDS   

ZNTH-ZODIAC CH601HDS  

ZODIAC 601            

ZODIAC 601 HD         

ZODIAC 601 HD/HDS     

ZODIAC 601 HDS        

ZODIAC 601 HDS TRI    

ZODIAC 601 XL         

ZODIAC 601-HD         

ZODIAC 601-HDS        

ZODIAC 601HD          

ZODIAC 601HDS         

ZODIAC 601XL          

ZODIAC CH 601         

ZODIAC CH 601 HD      

ZODIAC CH 601 HDS     

ZODIAC CH 601 XL      

ZODIAC CH 601-HDS     

ZODIAC CH 601HDS      

ZODIAC CH 601XL       

ZODIAC CH-601 HDS     

ZODIAC CH-601-HD      

ZODIAC CH-601-HDS     

ZODIAC CH-601XL       

ZODIAC CH601          

ZODIAC CH601 HD       

ZODIAC CH601 HDS      

ZODIAC CH601 XL       

ZODIAC CH601HD        

ZODIAC CH601HDS       

ZODIAC CH601XL        

ZODIAC CH601XL2       

ZODIAC HDS-601        

ZODIAC XL 601         

ZODIAC-CH601XL        

ZODIAC/CH 601-HDS     

ZODIAK 601 XL         

ZODIAT CH 601 HD      

     

From: owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of n801bh(at)netzero.com

 Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 4:32 PM

 To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Re: recent accident  

  

   

Nice job Joe... This data is real hard to collect and you are on the right track. I know of at least two 801's that crashed and I know one is in the NTSB records. Thats the Mitchell 801 that disintigrated over Nicolas California a few years back, fatal.. Also  Jim Frisby crashed his 801 in Palmer Ak, not hurt too bad... I am guessing that beyond entering the three Z's try just the model numbers, like 601 , 701 , 801 and add those to the list. Still, my hats off to ya since I can barely turn on my puter.. Thanks again  

do not archive

 

 

 Ben Haas

 N801BH

 www.haaspowerair.com

 

 -- xl <xl(at)prosody.org> wrote:

 --> Zenith-List message posted by: xl <xl(at)prosody.org>

 

 

 Here's my attempt, ala rvproject.

 'NTSB Accident Data for Zenith, Zodiac, Zenair'

 http://www.cleanh2o.com/633z/nstb/

 The page is updated daily at 0404 Seattle time.

 

 There are duplicates, found in more than 1 table,

 I did not merge the datasets.

 

 The NSTB queries look at 'Make/Model'. I did take

 a look for Zenith, Zodiac and Zenair in the narrative

 and didn't see more hits. If you know of other ways

 to query the NSTB database please let me know.

 

 Also, if you know of databases other than the US NSTB

 database that I could include, let me know - and if

 you know the queries that I should run, even better.

 

 Joe E (at) BFI

 CH601XL 505 hours

 

 

 On Fri, 18 Apr 2008, PatrickW wrote:

 > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "PatrickW" <pwhoyt(at)yahoo.com>

 > Anybody know if anyone's put together something like this to track

 > for Zenith planes? http://www.rvproject.com/ntsb.ht========================bsp;        - The Zenith-List Em===============================================

 

 

 

   



 

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xl(at)prosody.org
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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 3:53 pm Post subject: recent accident

I've included make/model 801, 701, 601 and amd.

The Palmer, AK incident shows up now in the 801 table.

And there some more 601s + 701s picked up, and that AMD 601XL.

Someday, I may parse the data further, remove duplicates

and rearrange it, but for now....... (you can use your browser's

search function, clumsy, but it works.)

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008, n801bh(at)netzero.com wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   Nice job Joe... This data is real hard to collect and you are on the 

right track. I know of at least two 801's that crashed and I know one is 
	


in the NTSB records. Thats the Mitchell 801 that disintigrated over 

Nicolas California a few years back, fatal.. Also  Jim Frisby crashed his 

801 in Palmer Ak, not hurt too bad... I am guessing that beyond entering 

the three Z's try just the model numbers, like 601 , 701 , 801 and add 

those to the list. Still, my hats off to ya since I can barely turn on my 

puter.. Thanks again

 	  Quote: 	
		   do not archive

 Ben Haas

 N801BH

 www.haaspowerair.com



 -- xl <xl(at)prosody.org> wrote:

 

 Here's my attempt, ala rvproject.

 'NTSB Accident Data for Zenith, Zodiac, Zenair'

 http://www.cleanh2o.com/633z/nstb/

 The page is updated daily at 0404 Seattle time.

 ....snip

 Joe E (at) BFI

 CH601XL 505 hours

jim.lanier(at)charter.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 6:24 am Post subject: recent accident

preliminary report on Polk Fl accident



http://www.ntsb.gov/NTSB/brief.asp?ev_id 080421X00519&key=1

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