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kearney(at)shaw.ca
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 Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 7:00 pm Post subject: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5 |
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John is a little light on my mileage – it was 1,100+ miles. I also went to the EAA open house at Van’s – an event that was very interesting. After buying a couple of very expensive slices of pizza, Van’s gave me a pair of -10 QB wings and a finish kit.
Cheers
Les
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cox
Sent: May-16-08 8:29 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Re: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5
Rick Sked, Deems Davis and Les Kearney all exceeded the 1,000 miles from home rule to make the dinner. The Hickman's were gracious hosting the event. All things are possible for the Fall get to gather.
Still LOL.
John
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of pascal
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 12:10 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Re: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5
Haha, gone to a dinner 1000 miles away? .. you crack me up [img]cid:image001.gif(at)01C8B797.5F8A6830[/img]. By the way, thanks for sponsoring it.
Any performance difference noticed? climb, cruise, etc.. with the composite prop?
Any updates (unofficially) on the DECK and future plans for it's expanded capabilities?
Thanks!
From: RobHickman(at)aol.com (RobHickman(at)aol.com)
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 9:43 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Re: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5
"I want to know Why they are still also ONLY selling the 2 blade Hartzell prop when Hartzell has composite blades that work just as well if not better (at a higher cost).."
You should have gone to the RV-10 dinner last weekend, I just happen to know who is testing the new 2 blade composite Hartzell prop on a RV-4.
Extremely smooth, much lighter, and it looks and sounds cool.
Rob Hickman
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pascal(at)rv10builder.net
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 8:40 pm Post subject: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5 |
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Rob;
Any updates on the "beta testing" prop? I know "so" isn't here yet but I was hoping the "another week" had
Thanks!
Pascal
From: RobHickman(at)aol.com (RobHickman(at)aol.com)
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 1:31 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Re: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5
In a message dated 5/16/2008 12:14:51 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, pascal(at)rv10builder.net (pascal(at)rv10builder.net) writes:
| Quote: | Haha, gone to a dinner 1000 miles away? .. you crack me up. By the way, thanks for sponsoring it.
Any performance difference noticed? climb, cruise, etc.. with the composite prop?
Any updates (unofficially) on the DECK and future plans for it's expanded capabilities?
Thanks!
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I am still gathering data on the prop, should have it in another week or so. I am currently flying the flight director, autopilot interface, and weather. We currently have six full time engineers and four of them are only working on software.
Rob Hickman
Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food.
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n212pj(at)gmail.com
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 10:03 pm Post subject: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5 |
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It's amazing how far these RV's have come, from the 4 to the 10. Just amazing. That Cessna, what, a 140? Not bad either. And, BTW, I think Les Kearney, who attended the dinner, lives at least 1,000 plus miles distant. Get on over here in the Fall, Pascal. No excuses.
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Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 9:38 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Re: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5
Rob;
Any updates on the "beta testing" prop? I know "so" isn't here yet but I was hoping the "another week" had
Thanks!
Pascal
From: RobHickman(at)aol.com (RobHickman(at)aol.com)
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 1:31 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Re: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5
In a message dated 5/16/2008 12:14:51 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, pascal(at)rv10builder.net (pascal(at)rv10builder.net) writes:
| Quote: | Haha, gone to a dinner 1000 miles away? .. you crack me up. By the way, thanks for sponsoring it.
Any performance difference noticed? climb, cruise, etc.. with the composite prop?
Any updates (unofficially) on the DECK and future plans for it's expanded capabilities?
Thanks!
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I am still gathering data on the prop, should have it in another week or so. I am currently flying the flight director, autopilot interface, and weather. We currently have six full time engineers and four of them are only working on software.
Rob Hickman
Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food.
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pascal(at)rv10builder.net
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| Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 5:06 am Post subject: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5 |
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Actually I will, Late July early August..
P
From: John Jessen (n212pj(at)gmail.com)
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 10:56 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: RE: Re: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5
It's amazing how far these RV's have come, from the 4 to the 10. Just amazing. That Cessna, what, a 140? Not bad either. And, BTW, I think Les Kearney, who attended the dinner, lives at least 1,000 plus miles distant. Get on over here in the Fall, Pascal. No excuses.
[quote] From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of pascal
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 9:38 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Re: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5
Rob;
Any updates on the "beta testing" prop? I know "so" isn't here yet but I was hoping the "another week" had
Thanks!
Pascal
From: RobHickman(at)aol.com (RobHickman(at)aol.com)
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 1:31 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Re: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5
In a message dated 5/16/2008 12:14:51 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, pascal(at)rv10builder.net (pascal(at)rv10builder.net) writes:
| Quote: | Haha, gone to a dinner 1000 miles away? .. you crack me up. By the way, thanks for sponsoring it.
Any performance difference noticed? climb, cruise, etc.. with the composite prop?
Any updates (unofficially) on the DECK and future plans for it's expanded capabilities?
Thanks!
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I am still gathering data on the prop, should have it in another week or so. I am currently flying the flight director, autopilot interface, and weather. We currently have six full time engineers and four of them are only working on software.
Rob Hickman
Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food.
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pascal(at)rv10builder.net
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| Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 5:42 am Post subject: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5 |
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Actually, what am I thinking that's OSH, Maybe late August early September.
From: pascal (pascal(at)rv10builder.net)
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 6:02 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Re: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5
Actually I will, Late July early August..
P
From: John Jessen (n212pj(at)gmail.com)
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 10:56 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: RE: Re: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5
It's amazing how far these RV's have come, from the 4 to the 10. Just amazing. That Cessna, what, a 140? Not bad either. And, BTW, I think Les Kearney, who attended the dinner, lives at least 1,000 plus miles distant. Get on over here in the Fall, Pascal. No excuses.
[quote] From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of pascal
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 9:38 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Re: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5
Rob;
Any updates on the "beta testing" prop? I know "so" isn't here yet but I was hoping the "another week" had
Thanks!
Pascal
From: RobHickman(at)aol.com (RobHickman(at)aol.com)
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 1:31 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Re: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5
In a message dated 5/16/2008 12:14:51 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, pascal(at)rv10builder.net (pascal(at)rv10builder.net) writes:
| Quote: | Haha, gone to a dinner 1000 miles away? .. you crack me up. By the way, thanks for sponsoring it.
Any performance difference noticed? climb, cruise, etc.. with the composite prop?
Any updates (unofficially) on the DECK and future plans for it's expanded capabilities?
Thanks!
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I am still gathering data on the prop, should have it in another week or so. I am currently flying the flight director, autopilot interface, and weather. We currently have six full time engineers and four of them are only working on software.
Rob Hickman
Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food.
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href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
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Lew Gallagher
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| Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 6:01 am Post subject: Re: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5 |
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I showed the picture of Rob's prop to my partner ... his immediate response was, "Man, that's one ugly prop!"
Even if it functions better, I doubt if he'll consider it -- flyboys, go figure. But then if we're obsessing over dimples, elevator horns, etc. (Swiss watch), I guess it makes sense to want it to look good in the hangar.
I just wondered if that was a typical response, beauty in the eye of the beholder, etc.
Later, - Lew
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pascal(at)rv10builder.net
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| Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 6:31 am Post subject: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5 |
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I can't say I was interested in the blade for the looks but for the
advantages of the composite over aluminum for the life of the blade- aka
repair versus file and eventually replace due to large nicks and usual wear.
The composite will be more expensive up front, I know, but if Rob comes back
with the conclusion that it is smoother, quieter, and so on than I'll weigh
the advantages.
I don't want it to look good sitting in the hangar I do in the air when the
prop is turning and no one knows how it looks as it goes by them 
To answer your question, however, haven't seen it other than on a DA40
http://www.hartzellprop.com/pressroom/index_press.htm and Rob's, pictures
may not do it justice.
Pascal
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From: "Lew Gallagher" <lewgall(at)charter.net>
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 7:01 AM
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Subject: Re: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5
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I showed the picture of Rob's prop to my partner ... his immediate
response was, "Man, that's one ugly prop!"
Even if it functions better, I doubt if he'll consider it -- flyboys, go
figure. But then if we're obsessing over dimples, elevator horns, etc.
(Swiss watch), I guess it makes sense to want it to look good in the
hangar.
I just wondered if that was a typical response, beauty in the eye of the
beholder, etc.
Later, - Lew
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msausen
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| Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 7:30 am Post subject: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5 |
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If they charge anywhere near the 12k they do for the DA40, they are going to have a hard time competing against MT and Aerocomposite in the experimental space. Unless of course they show huge performance gains which I doubt.
Michael
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AV8ORJWC
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| Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 8:13 am Post subject: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5 |
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The FW190 (MT propeller) gets a common response from those who do not
understand prop efficiencies. In the warbird community, performance
trumps one individual's aesthetic opinion every time.
I asked about this exact prop at OSH last year and the Hartzell guys
were asses. They said "Get Van to offer it". "It's too expensive for
you". Seems we are closer to an improved prop every day. There are some
that felt the Scimitar design was ugly in comparison to the decades old
and inefficient standard blades.
I am envious and appreciative of Rob's effort to help bring it to
market. Next will be a three blade version. Watch Sean Tucker's video
on the Hartzell site. When your life hangs on the prop blade. The new
one is RAD.
John
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pascal(at)rv10builder.net
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| Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 8:16 am Post subject: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5 |
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I am assuming they will be more than MT.
The DA40 is their STC conversion pricing that is "propeller kits come
complete with the propeller, a highly-polished spinner, STC paperwork and
the exclusive Hartzell Plus ThreeT warranty".
I have hopes that there will be a OEM deal through Van's which may bring
the cost down a few K's.
Reviews and pricing would indeed determine the final decision however.
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Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 8:23 AM
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Subject: RE: Re: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5
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If they charge anywhere near the 12k they do for the DA40, they are going
to have a hard time competing against MT and Aerocomposite in the
experimental space. Unless of course they show huge performance gains
which I doubt.
Michael
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