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jesse(at)saintaviation.co
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Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 6:38 am Post subject: ADS-B Navworx

It's about time someone other than Garmin makes a unit.  I would imagine before long most or all of the experimental units will offer an input (GRT, AFS, etc.).  Chelton already has a way to connect to the Garmin unit, so it probably will be available sooner on Tim's unit, but you can bet that AFS and GRT are hungry to get it working on their too.



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 Jesse Saint

Saint Aviation, Inc.

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Cell: 352-427-0285

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On Oct 20, 2008, at 10:23 PM, David McNeill wrote:

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		    Anybody heard what EFISes will display this data. 

  

 http://www.navworx.com/press-releases.html 

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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2882

Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 7:09 am Post subject: ADS-B Navworx

I would think that if the unit can offer TIS with the

GTX-330, it won't be a stretch to add on support

for ADS-B TIS.  And, if they offer XM or WSI Wx, it

won't be a stretch to add ADS-B Wx.  ADS-B comes

with both, so getting them to offer it as an option

may take some programming time, but I would expect

to see it offered on any of the systems that actually

invest the time and effort into their products.

I'm just thrilled that NavWorx came along as an

alternative to the Gorilla, because the only thing

keeping me from ADS-B traffic was the cost, and now

that won't nearly be a problem.  Anything over $5000

for a simple add-on though is just inexcuseable,

and Garmin just had the market cornered.  I think

that will change.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

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Jesse Saint wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   It's about time someone other than Garmin makes a unit.  I would imagine 

 before long most or all of the experimental units will offer an input 

 (GRT, AFS, etc.).  Chelton already has a way to connect to the Garmin 

 unit, so it probably will be available sooner on Tim's unit, but you can 

 bet that AFS and GRT are hungry to get it working on their too.

 

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 Jesse Saint

 Saint Aviation, Inc.

 jesse(at)saintaviation.com <mailto:jesse(at)saintaviation.com>

 Cell: 352-427-0285

 Fax: 815-377-3694

 

 On Oct 20, 2008, at 10:23 PM, David McNeill wrote:

 

> Anybody heard what EFISes will display this data.

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> http://www.navworx.com/press-releases.html 

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> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution

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dlm46007(at)cox.net
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Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 7:25 am Post subject: ADS-B Navworx

Until Gorilla swallows them and triples the price and halves the support. 



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wcurtis(at)nerv10.com
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Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 2:33 pm Post subject: ADS-B Navworx

Well, I kind-a like what Gorilla did with the MX-20.  They took a mediocre product built on MS Windows NT, improved it and called it the MX-200.  A MUCH better product with better support.

William

http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/ 



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billderou(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 12:19 pm Post subject: ADS-B Navworx

Tim-

 After you have had time to digest the ADS-B setup from Navworx could you document some system diagrams for everyones education? There is TIS, TIS-B, ADS-B, etc. I would be interested in knowing how to implement this capability with a new panel and best approach to retrofit a GX430/GX330 combination.

  

 How does Navworx offering differ from Garmin in the system sense. Same data rates? Interfaces?

  

 Is Navworx involved with WxWorx (whom produce the xm receivers).

  

 Thanks,

 Bill

 



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 [quote]From: William Curtis <wcurtis(at)nerv10.com>

Subject: RE: ADS-B Navworx

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com, rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 3:48 PM



[quote]--> RV10-List message posted by: "William Curtis" <wcurtis(at)nerv10.com>  Well, I kind-a like what Gorilla did with the MX-20.  They took a mediocre product built on MS Windows NT, improved it and called it the MX-200.  A MUCH better product with better support.   William http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/   ------

Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2882

Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 12:59 pm Post subject: ADS-B Navworx

I can try to do some of that.  I get the feeling that there is

a lot of "configurability" available, so it can work with

many systems.  I don't know much about the technical specs on

the garmin, so can't give much there.   I don't think NavWorx

is associated with WxWorx at all.  Not 100% sure, but I haven't

seen anything to lead me to believe it is.



Will just report back after I know more.  Hopefully this

poor weather forecast for the weekend doesn't change my plans.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

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Bill DeRouchey wrote:

[quote] Tim-

 After you have had time to digest the ADS-B setup from Navworx could you 

 document some system diagrams for everyones education? There is TIS, 

 TIS-B, ADS-B, etc. I would be interested in knowing how to implement 

 this capability with a new panel and best approach to retrofit a 

 GX430/GX330 combination.

  

 How does Navworx offering differ from Garmin in the system sense. Same 

 data rates? Interfaces?

  

 Is Navworx involved with WxWorx (whom produce the xm receivers).

  

 Thanks,

 Bill

 

 

 --- On *Tue, 10/21/08, William Curtis /<wcurtis(at)nerv10.com>/* wrote:

 

     From: William Curtis <wcurtis(at)nerv10.com>

     Subject: RE: ADS-B Navworx

     To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com, rv10-list(at)matronics.com

     Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 3:48 PM

 

     

     <wcurtis(at)nerv10.com>

 

     Well, I kind-a like what Gorilla did with the MX-20.  They took a mediocre

     product built on MS Windows NT, improved it and called it the MX-200.  A MUCH

     better product with better support.

 

 

     William

     http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/ 

 

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johngoodman

Joined: 18 Sep 2006
Posts: 530
Location: GA

Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 5:49 am Post subject: Re: ADS-B Navworx

Quick question for those who have used ADS-B. It uses a transponder/DME type antenna. Is the existing transponder antenna all you need or does it require a separate dedicated antenna?

John

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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2882

Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 6:07 am Post subject: ADS-B Navworx

It would be a totally different antenna for ADS-B.  ADS-B

also requires GPS, which you may or may not get from a GPS

that you're already using the plane, so it may in some cases

require another separate GPS antenna.



In the case of NavWorx, they have an all-in-one unit that

has it's own GPS and ADS-B antenna, and then they'll also

have a model that you can feed an external GPS signal to,

and install another external ADS-B antenna on your plane.

The all-in-one is a portable, the other is a permanent mount.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

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johngoodman wrote:

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 Quick question for those who have used ADS-B. It uses a

 transponder/DME type antenna. Is the existing transponder antenna all

 you need or does it require a separate dedicated antenna? John

 

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wcurtis(at)nerv10.com
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Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 8:44 am Post subject: ADS-B Navworx

Avweb had a podcast on ADS-B this past Monday:

http://www.avweb.com/podcast/files/2008-10-20_JensHennig-GAMA-ADS-B.mp3



One of the requirements of ADS-B is a TSO'd 146a WAAS GPS for position reporting.  They are trying to reduce this requirement to just as S/A off GPS.

I would love to see an install manual for the ADS600 however.  The NavWorx devices seems to be a "listen only" device and not a true ADS-B which is supposed to also Broadcast the aircraft current position--but still way cool.

William

http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/ 



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cjay

Joined: 15 Dec 2007
Posts: 53

Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 8:02 pm Post subject: Re: ADS-B Navworx

 	  johngoodman wrote: 	
		  Quick question for those who have used ADS-B. It uses a transponder/DME type antenna. Is the existing transponder antenna all you need or does it require a separate dedicated antenna?

John 	




John,



For the GDL-90, you can use the same antenna as your transponder, the GDL-90 has options to deconflict with the transponder signal.  However, GDL requires two antenna's, one on the top and bottom for full spherical coverage, so you'll still need to add one more.  It also requires a separate gps antenna.



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