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		buddairbum(at)cox.net Guest
 
 
 
 
 
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				 Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 2:48 pm    Post subject: OT-Survival Gun, The Judge, WAS New to forum | 
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				Before you do anything serious with The Judge, take a number of different loads (000, #2, etc) and check its pattern at various distances. You’ll find that its effective range with shot is very short, 10-12 feet, if I recall (I did, when they first came out) before the shot spreads out too much to be effective. It’s okay, half a room away,  but not much else. Still, it’s effective for some purposes. 
  
  Incidentally, on other groups I’m on, when the subject gets too far afield from the basic subject of the group (Yaks, CJ/s) we put OT in the subject line for “off topic” so no one gets bent out of shape. Often the OT’s impart more general knowledge the on topic stuff does. 
  
  bd
  
  
  On 10/27/08 3:28 PM, "byronmfox" <[url=byronmfox(at)aol.com]byronmfox(at)aol.com[/url]> wrote:
  
  [quote]Wow!!  http://www.taurususa.com/video/taurus-theJudge-video.cfm
  
  
  On Oct 27, 2008, at 3:19:16 PM, "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" <[url=mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil]mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil[/url]> wrote:
  [quote]From:">"Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" <[url=mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil]mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil[/url]>
  Subject:RE: Re: New to forum
  Date:October 27, 2008 3:19:16 PM PDT
  To:[url=yak-list(at)matronics.com]yak-list(at)matronics.com[/url]
  --> Yak-List message posted by: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" <[url=mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil]mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil[/url]>
  
  Those who hate firearms, please do not read. DELETE NOW! 
  
  Doc, should we recommend that he carry a handgun?   That opened a
  HUGE argument LAST time! 
  
  On that note, I just got a neat new handgun that is perfect for carry
  during LONG cross countries. It is called "The Judge" and is built by
  Taurus. About the same size and heft as a S&W 65/66 .357 this one
  fires the .45 Colt, OR.... A 2 1/2" standard .410 shotgun round! Fires
  5 rounds, so you can go from 000 buck, to birdshot, and then a few .45
  Colt rounds for serious stuff. Kills snakes to birds... All in one
  handgun. Their new model handles 3" .410 magnums. 
  
  Mark Bitterlich
  
  
  
  
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		mark.bitterlich(at)navy.m Guest
 
 
 
 
 
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				 Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 3:04 pm    Post subject: OT-Survival Gun, The Judge, WAS New to forum | 
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				You're absolutely correct.  
 
 With the .45 Long Colt I was able to hold fairly good groups at 25
 yards.  With #8 birdshot about 10 feet was max, but it will really rip a
 big snake up at that distance.  One of my most serious concerns with big
 bore, or very high velocity hand guns is the potential for a round to go
 right through a wall and take out some innocent next door.  Thus as a
 purely defensive weapon this particular handgun has merit in my view as
 well as taking along on a hike, or a cross country where particularly
 unpopulated terrain is the norm.  
 
 The suggestion for adding "Off Topic" is well founded and one that I
 will follow in the future.  Thanks for making it Byron.  
 
 Mark Bitterlich
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		mark.bitterlich(at)navy.m Guest
 
 
 
 
 
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				 Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 3:05 pm    Post subject: OT-Survival Gun, The Judge, WAS New to forum | 
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				Excuse me.. Not Byron, Budd!  Sheesh, no excuse for that!   
 
 Mark
  
 
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		buddairbum(at)cox.net Guest
 
 
 
 
 
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				 Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 3:16 pm    Post subject: OT-Survival Gun, The Judge, WAS New to forum | 
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				Budd D made the suggestion.
 
 And my Judge is in a holster on the bottom of the night stand.
 On 10/27/08 4:04 PM, "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
 <mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil> wrote:
 
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  MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil>
  
  You're absolutely correct.
  
  With the .45 Long Colt I was able to hold fairly good groups at 25
  yards.  With #8 birdshot about 10 feet was max, but it will really rip a
  big snake up at that distance.  One of my most serious concerns with big
  bore, or very high velocity hand guns is the potential for a round to go
  right through a wall and take out some innocent next door.  Thus as a
  purely defensive weapon this particular handgun has merit in my view as
  well as taking along on a hike, or a cross country where particularly
  unpopulated terrain is the norm.
  
  The suggestion for adding "Off Topic" is well founded and one that I
  will follow in the future.  Thanks for making it Byron.
  
  Mark Bitterlich
  
  
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				 Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 4:01 pm    Post subject: OT-Survival Gun, The Judge, WAS New to forum | 
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				You guys should check out this video.  Don't know its got to  hurt!!!!
  Pappy
   
   
  http://www.gunslot.com/videos/iraqi-wedding
 
   
   In a message dated 10/27/2008 7:07:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil writes:
  
 
 Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, no registration required andx1211202682x1200689022/aol?redir= http://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame00000001">  check it out!
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		mark.bitterlich(at)navy.m Guest
 
 
 
 
 
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				 Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 4:33 pm    Post subject: OT-Survival Gun, The Judge, WAS New to forum | 
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				Pappy, 
 
 I watched the video.  It left me totally speechless.  There are no words
 that can come close to defining how totally STUPID some people can be.
 No words what-so-ever.  One can only hope that what happened in the end
 was video trickery and not actually true.  
 
 Strange as it may seem, to me this is another example of how lucky we
 are to be living in a country that does not determine the laws that we
 must abide by based on examples of the lowest I.Q. of the general
 population. 
 
 Mark Bitterlich
   
 
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		buddairbum(at)cox.net Guest
 
 
 
 
 
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				 Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:02 pm    Post subject: OT-Survival Gun, The Judge, WAS New to forum | 
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				Serves the stupid sh*t right. How dumb can you be?
 
 Of course, that could also be an Obama ad for gun control.
 On 10/27/08 5:32 PM, "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
 <mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil> wrote:
 
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  MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil>
  
  Pappy, 
  
  I watched the video.  It left me totally speechless.  There are no words
  that can come close to defining how totally STUPID some people can be.
  No words what-so-ever.  One can only hope that what happened in the end
  was video trickery and not actually true.
  
  Strange as it may seem, to me this is another example of how lucky we
  are to be living in a country that does not determine the laws that we
  must abide by based on examples of the lowest I.Q. of the general
  population. 
  
  Mark Bitterlich
    
  
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				 Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 10:45 am    Post subject: OT-Survival Gun, The Judge, WAS New to forum | 
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				Idiocy – Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.  
      
                                  
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 You guys should check out this video.  Don't know its got to hurt!!!!  
     
 Pappy  
     
    
     
    
     
 http://www.gunslot.com/videos/iraqi-wedding  
   
     
    
       
 In a message dated 10/27/2008 7:07:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil writes:  
   
 
  
          
   
 Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, no registration required andx1211202682x1200689022/aol?redir= http://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame00000001"> check it out!  
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