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bcollinsmn

Joined: 17 Aug 2008
Posts: 23
Location: St. Paul, MN.

Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 6:35 am Post subject: Re: ARTEX 406 ELT in a 7A

[quote="stein(at)steinair.com"]The do not archive was because this was to settle my personal curiosity more

than anything else.  I didn't have anything to add to the technical part of

the discussion, so I guess I just didn't want my weird question filling up

the already bloated archives



do not archive (just to make Bob shake his fist at me) !!!



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Your personal curiosity is our enlightenment, fella! (g) When you ask a question.... it makes me think it's an answer I NEED!



Do not archive

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Bob Collins
St. Paul, Minn.
RV-7A - Running wires
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bcollinsmn

Joined: 17 Aug 2008
Posts: 23
Location: St. Paul, MN.

Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 5:56 pm Post subject: Re: ARTEX 406 ELT in a 7A

So, umm, back to the original question. Does anyone have any images of their antenna installation for this configuration. Just curious. Thanks.

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St. Paul, Minn.
RV-7A - Running wires
http://rvbuildershotline.com
Day job: http://minnesota.publicradio.org/collections/special/columns/news_cut/

robertrv607(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 9:44 am Post subject: ARTEX 406 ELT in a 7A

I hopoe I understand your question, you mean you do not believe that an 

ELT, SAVE LIVES??????  If you think does not,  is not... then no sense

on discussing this... every one has opinions and that is that..



JUst like in my family, I had tried for years to convince my sister

how wrong she is, based on facts,  every one else sees that, but

she will never do...

You can never change the mind of people, once they are with such

believe etc... is a waste of time and energy, with no purpose.

robert

--- On Sun, 11/16/08, SteinAir, Inc. <stein(at)steinair.com> wrote:



[quote] From: SteinAir, Inc. <stein(at)steinair.com>

 Subject: RE: Re: ARTEX 406 ELT in a 7A

 To: rv-list(at)matronics.com

 Date: Sunday, November 16, 2008, 3:59 PM

 

 <stein(at)steinair.com>

 

 This is a question I have that is really a question...and

 I'm not trying to

 be fececious....I truly want to know:

 

 Does anyone know of (or ever heard of) any pilot who

 crashed and died whilst

 awaiting a rescue - someone who lived through the crash but

 died because

 rescuers didn't get there?  What I mean is, does any of

 you know anyone who

 crashed, and then waited for CAP or whomever to find them? 

 Typically I

 usually see two results from a crash.  1) Death.  2) Non

 Death - people live

 through the crash and crawl/walk/run away.  Perhaps there

 are examples, I've

 just been trying for years to find any credible for first

 hand accounts of

 where an ELT did or even could have saved a life.... 

 I'm not interested in

 hearing hangar stories or "I heard of", but truly

 credible instances.  They

 certainly must be there or we wouldn't have this whole

 ELT discussion to

 begin with. I'm just trying to find such examples.

 

 If you know, please share!

 

 Thanks,

 Stein

 

 do not archive

 

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robertrv607(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 9:51 am Post subject: ARTEX 406 ELT in a 7A

I have always said:  Ignorance and stupidity, are not the privilege,or

peopole on third world countries.  It is abounding in the USA, not only on

people with no highschool education, but in the upper ladder, even

the President of the US, has shown stupidity many times...



NO sense on trying to convince people, on something they already have

created in their minds to be true... is a waste of time.



robert

--- On Sun, 11/16/08, Terry Watson <terry(at)tcwatson.com> wrote:



[quote] From: Terry Watson <terry(at)tcwatson.com>

 Subject: RE: Re: ARTEX 406 ELT in a 7A

 To: rv-list(at)matronics.com

 Date: Sunday, November 16, 2008, 4:34 PM

 

 <terry(at)tcwatson.com>

 

   

 

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jsflyrv(at)verizon.net
Guest

Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 2:25 pm Post subject: ARTEX 406 ELT in a 7A

Well if you are going to bring politics into this forum then, I well say 

the current president is not as stupid as

the one we are going to get.

I would not call a president that has kept terrorist from attacking this 

country for the last 7 years stupid.

Geez for a bunch of stupid people sure is strange that we are still the 

most powerful, prosperous, advanced

country in the world.  WOW we are really getting change with  NObama, 

all the Clinton cabinet.  Oh wait Nobama is going to keep

all 57 states safe.

DO NOT ARCHIVE 

bert murillo wrote:

[quote]

I have always said:  Ignorance and stupidity, are not the privilege,or

peopole on third world countries.  It is abounding in the USA, not only on

people with no highschool education, but in the upper ladder, even

the President of the US, has shown stupidity many times...

NO sense on trying to convince people, on something they already have

created in their minds to be true... is a waste of time.

robert

--- On Sun, 11/16/08, Terry Watson <terry(at)tcwatson.com> wrote:

>From: Terry Watson <terry(at)tcwatson.com>

>Subject: RE: Re: ARTEX 406 ELT in a 7A

>To: rv-list(at)matronics.com

>Date: Sunday, November 16, 2008, 4:34 PM

>

><terry(at)tcwatson.com>

>

>  

>

>--

ceengland(at)bellsouth.ne
Guest

Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 5:55 pm Post subject: ARTEX 406 ELT in a 7A

Hmmm.....



Low C average & wouldn't have even been admitted if he hadn't been a 

'legacy' (is that the right word?); ran multiple businesses bought for 

him by his daddy into the ground

vs.

constitutional scholar who got there on his own merits



Now if you want to talk about prodigious intellect, consider those who 

believe that starting a unjustified and pointless war against a 

dime-a-dozen dictator (& causing the deaths of more Americans than died 

on 911) would cause every militant Muslim in the entire world to forget 

how to find the USA, & just walk across its unsecured southern border.



Duhhh....



Let the games begin! 



Charlie

(guess again; I wrote in my vote for Ron Paul)



Jerry Springer wrote:

[quote] 



 Well if you are going to bring politics into this forum then, I well 

 say the current president is not as stupid as

 the one we are going to get.

 I would not call a president that has kept terrorist from attacking 

 this country for the last 7 years stupid.

 Geez for a bunch of stupid people sure is strange that we are still 

 the most powerful, prosperous, advanced

 country in the world.  WOW we are really getting change with  NObama, 

 all the Clinton cabinet.  Oh wait Nobama is going to keep

 all 57 states safe.



 DO NOT ARCHIVE



 bert murillo wrote:



> 

>

> I have always said:  Ignorance and stupidity, are not the privilege,or

> peopole on third world countries.  It is abounding in the USA, not 

> only on

> people with no highschool education, but in the upper ladder, even

> the President of the US, has shown stupidity many times...

>

> NO sense on trying to convince people, on something they already have

> created in their minds to be true... is a waste of time.

>

> robert

> --- On Sun, 11/16/08, Terry Watson <terry(at)tcwatson.com> wrote:

>

>  

>

>> From: Terry Watson <terry(at)tcwatson.com>

>> Subject: RE: Re: ARTEX 406 ELT in a 7A

>> To: rv-list(at)matronics.com

>> Date: Sunday, November 16, 2008, 4:34 PM

>> 

>> <terry(at)tcwatson.com>

>>

>>  

>>

>> --

Vanremog(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 8:48 pm Post subject: ARTEX 406 ELT in a 7A

Jerry-

  

 I'm pretty sure it's dark up where you are trying to go with  this one.  I'll just pass on this bait.

  

 Do not archive

  

  N1GV (RV-6A, Flying 908hrs, O-360-A1A, C/S, Silicon  Valley)



  

  In a message dated 11/21/2008 2:26:37 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  jsflyrv(at)verizon.net writes:

  	  Quote: 	
		  Well if    you are going to bring politics into this forum then, I well say 

the    current president is not as stupid as

the one we are going to get.

    

    

	




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jsflyrv(at)verizon.net
Guest

Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 10:42 pm Post subject: ARTEX 406 ELT in a 7A

I guess you don't read so well, I am not trying to go anywhere with 

this, just responding to another

stupid post about people and the presidents stupidity. Didn't see you 

respond to his post,

but then I don't suppose you would as it agrees with your opinions.  

Then again if you think it

was bait why did you  respond at all???? Just could not help your self 

could you Gary?



do not archive



 	  Quote: 	
		   Jerry-

  

 I'm pretty sure it's dark up where you are trying to go with this 

 one.  I'll just pass on this bait.

  

 Do not archive

  

 N1GV (RV-6A, Flying 908hrs, O-360-A1A, C/S, Silicon Valley)

  

 In a message dated 11/21/2008 2:26:37 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, 

 jsflyrv(at)verizon.net writes:



     Well if you are going to bring politics into this forum then, I

     well say

     the current president is not as stupid as

     the one we are going to get.

      

      





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dmaib@me.com

Joined: 25 Apr 2006
Posts: 455
Location: New Smyrna Beach, Florida

Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 11:09 pm Post subject: ARTEX 406 ELT in a 7A

Perhaps this should be moved to one of the hundreds of political  

forums on the web and leave this one to RV building.



My $.02 worth and not worth a penny more.



David Maib

RV-10 40559

Nearly finished

On Nov 22, 2008, at 12:40 AM, Jerry Springer wrote:






I guess you don't read so well, I am not trying to go anywhere with  

this, just responding to another

stupid post about people and the presidents stupidity. Didn't see you  

respond to his post,

but then I don't suppose you would as it agrees with your opinions.   

Then again if you think it

was bait why did you  respond at all???? Just could not help your  

self could you Gary?



do not archive



 	  Quote: 	
		   Jerry-

  I'm pretty sure it's dark up where you are trying to go with this  

 one.  I'll just pass on this bait.

  Do not archive

  N1GV (RV-6A, Flying 908hrs, O-360-A1A, C/S, Silicon Valley)

  In a message dated 11/21/2008 2:26:37 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  

 jsflyrv(at)verizon.net writes:



     Well if you are going to bring politics into this forum then, I

     well say

     the current president is not as stupid as

     the one we are going to get.





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 One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and  

 the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!

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David Maib
RV-10 #40559
New Smyrna Beach, FL

matronics(at)cencula.com
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Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 6:46 am Post subject: ARTEX 406 ELT in a 7A

Bob,



As my RV-7A is not complete, I do not have images of an installation.  I 

thought I would offer some food for thought, however:



A ground plane is pretty much what it sounds like...a flat planar surface 

which effectively doubles the effective length of an antenna.  On the side-by-

side Van's designs, the fuselage behind the passenger / baggage is pretty flat 

and open.  Unless you consider mounting the antenna to the top of a wing (I 

wouldn't due to problems George has already mentioned), there's not a better 

ground plane on the aircraft.



It's also been noted (elsewhere) that there is an area of negative flow behind 

the canopy meaning that the air is quite turbulent and actually flowing 

forward.  Although I don't have a link, I've seen images where RV builders 

have applied yarn tufts to their fuselage which demonstrates this.



Taking those two points into consideration leads me to believe that 

installation of a 406Mhz ELT antenna on the top, centerline of the fuselage a 

short distance behind the passenger compartment would result in excellent 

transmission characteristics and essentially zero speed impact.



Whle I have no radiation graphs to support my theory, that's where I'll be 

mounting mine.



Mike Cencula

RV-7A (fuselage)

www.our7a.com



On Wednesday November 19 2008 08:56:51 pm bcollinsmn wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   



 So, umm, back to the original question. Does anyone have any images of

 their antenna installation for this configuration. Just curious. Thanks.



 --------

 Bob Collins

 St. Paul, Minn.

 RV-7A (#&amp;^ fiberglass!)

 http://rvbuildershotline.com

 Day job: 

 http://minnesota.publicradio.org/collections/special/columns/news_cut/





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