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budyerly(at)msn.com
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 Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 2:51 pm Post subject: Europa - Extra Gas/ Instrument Rating. |
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<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]--> Ira,
Sounds like we ought to get busy and make the 8 gal aux tank for the tri-gear happen.
My ideas two years ago, (where did the time go?) was an 8 gal Tank from Summit Racing made from high strength aluminum and fittings lined with a bladder, using the same siphon gear for the mono extended range tank. 8 gal would put me at my bladder limit though. It seems we just can't add enough weight to these aircraft. Jerry Hope wanted to do a belly tank (teardrop shape) like we had in the T-33 cargo pod, with new plumbing that would allow it to feed via a electric fuel pump into the reserve side, and when refilling the aircraft, there would be a valve from the reserve side to allow it to fill. Of course don't leave the valve open after refuel since it would not feed.
Any type of tank for use in an aircraft has to be idiot proof, refillable, easy to mount, ruggedly attached, completely safe, full proof, and include a liability lawyers blessing.
Any ideas?
Bud
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willie.harrison(at)tinyon
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| Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 2:10 pm Post subject: Europa - Extra Gas/ Instrument Rating. |
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These are good subjects to link as concentrating on IFR flying with a
full bladder is 10x harder than when VFR. I used to use a
"Littlejohn" in the PA 28 but the seat angle and cockpit size of the
Europa makes this impractical...
Anyway guys, I heard a rumour that our glider pilot brothers use a
kind of exterior catheter device (designed for incontinent men) to
enable them to do in-flight defuelling. Leaving aside the toilet
humour associated with this, does anyone know anything about this?
Willie Harrison
G-BZNY: another 20 hours this month
On 20 Nov 2008, at 16:19, rampil wrote:
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Hey Bud!
Ya know, if you fit a long range tank to my Europa,
I can get my buddies to fit you with your own long range tank!
ijr
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rampil
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| Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 4:28 pm Post subject: Re: Europa - Extra Gas/ Instrument Rating. |
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Believe it or not, it is called a "Texas" catheter, as opposed to the
indwelling "Foley" catheter. Available at your local pharmacy.
I don't imagine it requires a physician's prescription to purchase.
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craigb(at)onthenet.com.au
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| Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 3:34 am Post subject: Europa - Extra Gas/ Instrument Rating. |
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I was planning on simmilar with a small venturi or simmilar to suck a light
vaccuum on a line
installed under the dash and then modify some small plastic cups to plug
into the line if needed
so you can throw them away after use. only problem i can see is if your
passenger is the shy type
some sort of privacy screen would be needed
craig
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gregoryf.flyboy(at)comcas
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| Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 11:40 am Post subject: Europa - Extra Gas/ Instrument Rating. |
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Going to that trouble, you might just do like the trains used to do, and
suck it outdoors! It would fall from 15000 feet! Someone on the ground
might say "We collect rainwater, due to its purity and lack of contaminants"
All joking aside, I think a runner up the ceiling, and a very lightweight
'curtain' would work nice, between the occupants. Might be able to double as
a window covering somehow, for those that build a bed into the backside (now
for that wood stove and running water). Not to forget the Lady-J adapter!
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grahamsingleton(at)btinte
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| Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 2:12 pm Post subject: Europa - Extra Gas/ Instrument Rating. |
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I once used the P tube in my glider at 18,000 feet over Scotland. It was
cold!
First problem was finding the offending thingy (they shrink in the cold)
through several layers of clothing and two layers of straps, (seat
harness and parachute harness) Next problem was trying to do it uphill
so I lowered the flaps to get the attitude a bit more favourable. That
helped.
Still it was better than having to descend which took a good half an
hour when I finally did come down.
Incidentally, on a more serious note, at a recent "speed awareness
course" they told us "never crash with a full bladder". A burst bladder
is a very serious injury. Straps can kill too 
Graham
craig bastin wrote:
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I was planning on simmilar with a small venturi or simmilar to suck a light
vaccuum on a line
installed under the dash and then modify some small plastic cups to plug
into the line if needed
so you can throw them away after use. only problem i can see is if your
passenger is the shy type
some sort of privacy screen would be needed
craig
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davidjoyce(at)doctors.org
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| Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 3:47 am Post subject: Europa - Extra Gas/ Instrument Rating. |
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Willie, Glider pilots who may need to fly for 7 hrs or more get used to
peeing in flight, and I am not aware of one who has had any great difficulty
doing so in a Europa. William Mills had a glider style Pee tube fitted
(essentially a sort of funnel draining into a tube which voided into the
atmosphere somewhere down behind the wheel), and I find a bottle (actually a
washed out 1 litre oil container, which fits into one of the spaces below
the seat) serves entirely well. If needs must, you do get to know your
passenger quite well, but if embarrassed they can always be asked to study
the horizon at 3 o'clock!
One practical point to mention: Once when crossing the
E.German/Czech border with trees to the horizon in all directions, having
had a pee, I found that all my instruments were 'out', with no indication of
any electricity flowing any where, including to the 2 electric fuel pumps to
my 914. At the time I thought that the plane was running on the fuel in the
carb bowls. This did tend to induce the sort of intense concentration that
is a few millimetres from panic!
Fortunately a standard wizz round the panel to check switches & CBs
showed that both Main & Alternator toggle switches had been switched off by
my trouser bottom, when I had lifted up my left leg to replace the pee
bottle under the seat! I have since discovered that the standard Europa
wiring allows one pump to be supplied direct from the alternator even when
both switches are off.
Regards, David
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karelvranken(at)hotmail.c
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| Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 12:36 pm Post subject: Europa - Extra Gas/ Instrument Rating. |
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Graham,
During the 26 years that I was flying my PIK 20E I was equiped and used
regurarily my P-tube. I bought in a medicinal shop a rubber pear such as
women used for intimacy care. Easy to connect at a plastic tube that ran in
the wheelwell. Upside down you can cut an orifice at measure not realy on
top so that there is no waste. Many times I had royal feelings by making
water over the whole world.
Best regards,
Karel Vranken.
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