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grant.corriveau(at)TELUS.
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 Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 1:02 am Post subject: Initial Flight Test crew |
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I did my initial flight test with two pilots. My wife is listed as a
builder of the aircraft along with myself. And she also holds a
commercial pilot license. The Canadian rule (at the time at least)
specified that only the required crew-members are allowed on board
during the test flights - or words to that effect. The wording
certainly did not specify how many that might be. And as we were the
builders and test-pilots we decided that two was the right number.
It was helpful having her along in the right seat to work the radio,
record parameters, run the video camera, and even change a fuse for
me when a trim was not working. And it was perfectly legal if you
actually read the rule as it was written.
Just a 'for what it's worth' for non-USA aircraft. Read the rules
carefully and make your decision accordingly.
Grant
GHTF
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pchap(at)primus.ca
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| Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 8:11 am Post subject: Initial Flight Test crew |
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At 04:00 02-12-08, you wrote:
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I did my initial flight test with two pilots. My wife is listed as a
builder of the aircraft along with myself. And she also holds a
commercial pilot license. The Canadian rule (at the time at least)
specified that only the required crew-members are allowed on board
during the test flights - or words to that effect. The wording
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Being in Canada (like Grant), I asked Transport Canada about 2 crew
in 1999 and they specifically said no. It was a general "no", not
based on the level of pilot qualifications. My dad and I are both on
the data plate as builders too.
I pretty much had their refusal on paper and not just verbally:
The Operating Limitations form they then sent me for the initial
operating period is a standard form, from which certain items are
marked as applicable. So something like "acrobatic flight is
prohibited" was in force. The item which read "Essential flight crew
members only - no passenger" was not in force. (Perhaps Grant had
that one in force? Then one can make that argument that two pilots
are essential for safety.)
What was in force was another line which said "Carriage of persons
other than for dual instruction is prohibited" -- and unlike anything
else in the document, the author had underlined that it in pen.
Who knows whether the answer might have been different for someone
else at another time and place.
Other than for the first couple flights my dad and I went ahead with
two aboard anyway. One flies, one monitors the gauges more closely
and does the flight test engineer thing.
I have heard a few times over the years how pilots in the US did get
specific approval for a 2nd qualified crew member from their local
FAA office, based on whatever wording the FAA uses about "crew".
Peter Chapman
Toronto, ON
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