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Float Flyr
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Ok! So that spring has two main "master" leaves... That is a new one for me
but I can see what you are saying.
Noel
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Paul A. Franz, P.E.
Joined: 02 Dec 2008
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Location: Bellevue WA
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On Mon, January 19, 2009 4:34 pm, Lynn Matteson wrote:
| Quote: | I spent my time today working on the skis that I recently built and will fly up
to Oshkosh this weekend.
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Do you expect to use the skis landing at OSH?
You said you went with HDPE for the new ski bases and heating to bend the edges worked
out well.
Have you abandoned the UHMW PE idea for bases or is this still going to happen?
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Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
425.241.1618 Cell
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Fox5flyer
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No no no no, Gary. Post 'em public and ignore the peanut gallery. Most of us are learning something here, I think. Well, I am anyway.
Deke
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gary.algate(at)sandvik.co
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Bob
I guess I was being petty and "spat the dummy" for those of you that are not interested please press Delete "now".
I fitted the adaptor this morning and it brought the King Pin vertical (see before and after Fotos).
Taxi tests and some circuits proved that all is good. No shimmy at any taxi speed, good stable, longitudinal control yet not heavy on the pedals.
All that is required to unlatch the tailwheel now is a tap on the brakes and/or full rudder deflection.
Gary Algate
SMC, Exploration
Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655
Keep up the good discussion guys, never mind the cranks.
Bob Brennan - N717GB
ELSA Repairman, inspection rated
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of gary.algate(at)sandvik.com
Sent: 19 January 2009 7:32 pm
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Tail wheel
Well I was going to post the fotos of my new setup plus results but certainly don't want to offend Frank Miles or others - I'll send the details off-line!
Regards
Gary
Gary Algate
Kitfox Classic Jab 2200
Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655
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O.K - I can't stand it any more. I don't know who you are Lynn Matteson
but you must not have a life. I count 14 postings since 11:30 a.m. and you
don't really have that much profound to say. Why don't you two or three
guys, as the kids use to say, get a room.
Frank Miles
Clarkston, Washington
K - III
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Lynn Matteson
Joined: 10 Jan 2006
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Location: Grass Lake, Michigan
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| Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 5:42 pm Post subject: Tail wheel |
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Well, it isn't actually OSH, but an adjacent grass field called
Pioneer Airport, which, hopefully will be snow-covered that day. That
13-31 runway is right behind the EAA Museum, and each year they hold
an annual (duh!) EAA Skiplane Fly-in.
I did use the 3/16" HDPE, and the edge bending went ok, but not
great. I don't think I used enough heat, as the distance was too
great from end-to-end to sufficiently heat the length. I should have
got some help at that point. But the shorter, across-the-ski bends
went well. The next time I take the sheathings (as the FAA calls the
bottom material) off, I will re-do the side bends to see it I can
make them better. Right now, they look a bit scalloped between the
mounting tabs.
Today I added the "wear bars"...3" wide strips of HDPE that run the
length of the 66" part, and the shorter 30" part which is right in
front of the tire.
I'd still like to use that HVOS (high visibility orange with silicone
added) material that you mentioned, Paul, but the price of a 4' x 10'
sheet (the only way they sell it) with shipping would be close to
$275. If I went that way, I'd like reduce the 66" ski that I have
right now to 60", so that I could make 4 sets of skis out of one
sheet. At 66", I could make 2 sets and have 54" leftover for snow
boards, or something else.
On the skis I made two years ago, I did use 1/4" UHMW PE, but thought
I'd give the thinner HDPE a try this time.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
On Jan 19, 2009, at 8:04 PM, Paul Franz - Merlin GT wrote:
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On Mon, January 19, 2009 4:34 pm, Lynn Matteson wrote:
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> I spent my time today working on the skis that I recently built
> and will fly up
> to Oshkosh this weekend.
Do you expect to use the skis landing at OSH?
You said you went with HDPE for the new ski bases and heating to
bend the edges worked
out well.
Have you abandoned the UHMW PE idea for bases or is this still
going to happen?
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Paul A. Franz
Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
Bellevue WA
425.241.1618 Cell
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Float Flyr
Joined: 19 Jul 2006
Posts: 2704
Location: Campbellton, Newfoundland
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| Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 5:51 pm Post subject: Tail wheel |
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Did you do any damage to your rudder?
Noel
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Wild
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:21 PM
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Tail wheel
Gary,
I have a Kitfox Model 1 and I just broke my spring last week so I have been absorbing all this talk about springs. Please continue to post pics on the group. There might be others out there interested. If people aren't interested in this subject they don't have to read them.
Dan Wild
mdl1
532
From: gary.algate(at)sandvik.com (gary.algate(at)sandvik.com)
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 6:31 PM
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com (kitfox-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Tail wheel
Well I was going to post the fotos of my new setup plus results but certainly don't want to offend Frank Miles or others - I'll send the details off-line!
Regards
Gary
Gary Algate
Kitfox Classic Jab 2200
Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655
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“This year, instead of sending you a Christmas card in the mail, we have made a contribution to UNICEF Australia. We wish you a safe and happy Christmas".
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O.K - I can't stand it any more. I don't know who you are Lynn Matteson
but you must not have a life. I count 14 postings since 11:30 a.m. and you
don't really have that much profound to say. Why don't you two or three
guys, as the kids use to say, get a room.
Frank Miles
Clarkston, Washington
K - III
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brianm(at)snolab.ca
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| Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 6:03 pm Post subject: Tail wheel |
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Hi Gary
I am very interested in your setup as I am getting ready to change my single spring to a double or triple. All this "tail wheel" talk couldn't come at a better time.
Please do post your pics and results.
Brian
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of gary.algate(at)sandvik.com
Sent: January 19, 2009 7:32 PM
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Tail wheel
Well I was going to post the fotos of my new setup plus results but certainly don't want to offend Frank Miles or others - I'll send the details off-line!
Regards
Gary
Gary Algate
Kitfox Classic Jab 2200
Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655
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“This year, instead of sending you a Christmas card in the mail, we have made a contribution to UNICEF Australia. We wish you a safe and happy Christmas".
"Frank Miles" <f.miles.tcp.833(at)clearwire.net>
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O.K - I can't stand it any more. I don't know who you are Lynn Matteson
but you must not have a life. I count 14 postings since 11:30 a.m. and you
don't really have that much profound to say. Why don't you two or three
guys, as the kids use to say, get a room.
Frank Miles
Clarkston, Washington
K - III
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matronics(at)bob.brennan.
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Gary - so you're saying the 0002 picture with the vertical angle worked better for you? You're leaning me away from the "Matteson Geometry" now (sorry Lynn), towards what I would have originally thought more logical.
And I think I might worry a bit about those "plant hanger" chains in 0002 that it looks like you got from Home Despot? The only reason I mention the chains is that it looks like ones I bought for a tractor "job" and regretted (ie VERY weak) and replaced with stronger ones from Tractor Supply.
Bob Brennan - N717GB
ELSA Repairman, inspection rated
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of gary.algate(at)sandvik.com
Sent: 19 January 2009 8:33 pm
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Tail wheel
Bob
I guess I was being petty and "spat the dummy" for those of you that are not interested please press Delete "now".
I fitted the adaptor this morning and it brought the King Pin vertical (see before and after Fotos).
Taxi tests and some circuits proved that all is good. No shimmy at any taxi speed, good stable, longitudinal control yet not heavy on the pedals.
All that is required to unlatch the tailwheel now is a tap on the brakes and/or full rudder deflection.
Gary Algate
SMC, Exploration
Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655
Keep up the good discussion guys, never mind the cranks.
Bob Brennan - N717GB
ELSA Repairman, inspection rated
1991 UK Model 2 ELSA Kitfox
Rotax 582 with 3 blade prop
Wrightsville Pa
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of gary.algate(at)sandvik.com
Sent: 19 January 2009 7:32 pm
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Tail wheel
Well I was going to post the fotos of my new setup plus results but certainly don't want to offend Frank Miles or others - I'll send the details off-line!
Regards
Gary
Gary Algate
Kitfox Classic Jab 2200
Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655
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“This year, instead of sending you a Christmas card in the mail, we have made a contribution to UNICEF Australia. We wish you a safe and happy Christmas".
"Frank Miles" <f.miles.tcp.833(at)clearwire.net>
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O.K - I can't stand it any more. I don't know who you are Lynn Matteson
but you must not have a life. I count 14 postings since 11:30 a.m. and you
don't really have that much profound to say. Why don't you two or three
guys, as the kids use to say, get a room.
Frank Miles
Clarkston, Washington
K - III
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Yep Bob - for me it addressed all of my problems.
I won't be leaving the plant hanger chains on there. I am trying to find a supplier here in Oz that sells the right chain but it isn't as easy as it was in the US and Canada.
Regards
Gary
Gary Algate
SMC, Exploration
Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655
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Lynn Matteson
Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan
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| Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 6:30 pm Post subject: Tail wheel |
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No problem, Bob. The so-called "Matteson Geometry" is merely bolting
a Maule tailwheel ass'y. to the 3-leaf McBean spring. I did nothing
to add or detract from basic parts. It just works....for MY plane.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
On Jan 19, 2009, at 9:07 PM, Bob Brennan wrote:
| Quote: | Gary - so you're saying the 0002 picture with the vertical angle
worked better for you? You're leaning me away from the "Matteson
Geometry" now (sorry Lynn), towards what I would have originally
thought more logical.
And I think I might worry a bit about those "plant hanger" chains
in 0002 that it looks like you got from Home Despot? The only
reason I mention the chains is that it looks like ones I bought for
a tractor "job" and regretted (ie VERY weak) and replaced with
stronger ones from Tractor Supply.
Bob Brennan - N717GB
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Float Flyr
Joined: 19 Jul 2006
Posts: 2704
Location: Campbellton, Newfoundland
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| Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 7:07 pm Post subject: Tail wheel |
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You can also try a marina or truck supply... sometimes the lifters on roll doors have chains. Just thinking out print... (loud doesn’t suit here) pet suppliers may have the chain you are looking of to make runs for dogs.
Noel
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of gary.algate(at)sandvik.com
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 10:57 PM
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Tail wheel
Yep Bob - for me it addressed all of my problems.
I won't be leaving the plant hanger chains on there. I am trying to find a supplier here in Oz that sells the right chain but it isn't as easy as it was in the US and Canada.
Regards
Gary
Gary Algate
SMC, Exploration
Office Phone: +61 8 8276 7655
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rawheels
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How do you correct the situation in Fig 11 of http://www.bowersflybaby.com/tech/Maule_Tailwheel.pdf
Also, after 6 pages of posts I may be a little confused, but it would seem that the tailwheel manufacturers would know what the correct angle for their tailwheels to work would be, so unless you are trying to correct the shimmy problem wouldn't the correct setup be with the king pin completely vertical in a loaded aircraft config? When you mount any other castering wheel (cart, wagon, etc) it gets mounted with the caster plate level with the bottom of the cart (makes about a 30 deg angle). The maule tailwheel looks to be angled more (~40 deg), but I would think the same priciple would apply. Maybe the tailwheel arms have bent over time (I know the leaf spring that I replaced last year had), and that is why the assembly needs to be shimmed/bent in order to get the original mounting angle. So, maybe the true setup is to make sure that the tailwheel arm is at the correct angle, not the pin?
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djwild2(at)hotmail.com
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| Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 7:27 am Post subject: Tail wheel |
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Noel,
No I didn't damage my rudder. It didn't really snap all the way off. It just folded up to the bottom of the rudder and my pedals wouldn't move the rudder. I noticed this before I took off so I guess I was lucky there. The new spring also made the king pin point too far forward so I put a spacer between the spring and the tail wheel to change the angle. I guess it would be nice to have one of those fancy adapters but It worked pretty good last night when I flew around so for now I will leave it. I also found some chain that looks just like the chain that was on there at Home depot, I think the tensile strength was rated over 100lb's. do you think that is strong enough??
Dan
From: Noel Loveys (noelloveys(at)yahoo.ca)
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 11:20 PM
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com (kitfox-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: RE: Tail wheel
Did you do any damage to your rudder?
Noel
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Wild
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:21 PM
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com (kitfox-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Tail wheel
Gary,
I have a Kitfox Model 1 and I just broke my spring last week so I have been absorbing all this talk about springs. Please continue to post pics on the group. There might be others out there interested. If people aren't interested in this subject they don't have to read them.
Dan Wild
mdl1
532
From: gary.algate(at)sandvik.com (gary.algate(at)sandvik.com)
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 6:31 PM
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com (kitfox-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Tail wheel
Well I was going to post the fotos of my new setup plus results but certainly don't want to offend Frank Miles or others - I'll send the details off-line!
Regards
Gary
Gary Algate
Kitfox Classic Jab 2200
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O.K - I can't stand it any more. I don't know who you are Lynn Matteson
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For what it's worth, I copied Gary's JPG to my cad program and measured the
angle and it is 2.9° on the Matteson side of vertical. This done after
leveling the image in Photoshop with the joint on the concrete floor.
I had previously measured the original photo he posted the same way and it
measured 13.5°.
I think this can relate to other aspects of flying, Angle of attack is good,
just don't take it too far. The fifteen to twenty degrees in the
aftermarket article? Not good advice. Gary with less than that found it
unmanageable.
Lowell
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Lynn Matteson
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| Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 10:00 am Post subject: Tail wheel |
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I just did the same thing Lowell...set the joint level by rotating
the picture 1.5° degrees clockwise, and it looks to me like the top
of the kingpin points to the front of the plane, not toward the rear
like mine does. I dropped a line from the center of the kingpin nut
(as close to center as I could), and it looks like the kingpin top
points forward, doesn't it?
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
On Jan 20, 2009, at 11:44 AM, Lowell Fitt wrote:
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For what it's worth, I copied Gary's JPG to my cad program and
measured the angle and it is 2.9° on the Matteson side of
vertical. This done after leveling the image in Photoshop with the
joint on the concrete floor.
I had previously measured the original photo he posted the same way
and it measured 13.5°.
I think this can relate to other aspects of flying, Angle of attack
is good, just don't take it too far. The fifteen to twenty degrees
in the aftermarket article? Not good advice. Gary with less than
that found it unmanageable.
Lowell
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Good move, Lynn, You are correct - my bad.
Lowell
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Lynn Matteson
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Hold the presses.....we are BOTH assuming that the plane was rolled
into the building with the centerline of the plane parallel to the
joint in the floor, which it may not be. Imagine if the joint was at
a 45° angle in the picture, and we level the joint.....now we've got
one wild a-- angle on the tailwheel assembly. I think we better take
Gary's word for the new angle, if he can measure it.
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 600.2 hrs
Sensenich 62x46
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
New skis done and flying
do not archive
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Good move, Lynn, You are correct - my bad.
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Location: Campbellton, Newfoundland
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| Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:04 am Post subject: Tail wheel |
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100lb. test should be strong enough. Strain on the chains is limited by the springs and the steering lock release. But like all things aircraft, keep a critical eye on it. When I was in school one of my instructors said no inspection was complete without finding at least one fault.... My problem is I tend to find several... not all require immediate action though or I’d never get into the air.
Noel
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Wild
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 11:57 AM
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
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Noel,
No I didn't damage my rudder. It didn't really snap all the way off. It just folded up to the bottom of the rudder and my pedals wouldn't move the rudder. I noticed this before I took off so I guess I was lucky there. The new spring also made the king pin point too far forward so I put a spacer between the spring and the tail wheel to change the angle. I guess it would be nice to have one of those fancy adapters but It worked pretty good last night when I flew around so for now I will leave it. I also found some chain that looks just like the chain that was on there at Home depot, I think the tensile strength was rated over 100lb's. do you think that is strong enough??
Dan
From: Noel Loveys (noelloveys(at)yahoo.ca)
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 11:20 PM
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com (kitfox-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: RE: Kitfox-List: Tail wheel
Did you do any damage to your rudder?
Noel
From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Wild
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:21 PM
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Subject: Re: Tail wheel
Gary,
I have a Kitfox Model 1 and I just broke my spring last week so I have been absorbing all this talk about springs. Please continue to post pics on the group. There might be others out there interested. If people aren't interested in this subject they don't have to read them.
Dan Wild
mdl1
532
From: gary.algate(at)sandvik.com (gary.algate(at)sandvik.com)
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 6:31 PM
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Well I was going to post the fotos of my new setup plus results but certainly don't want to offend Frank Miles or others - I'll send the details off-line!
Regards
Gary
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Kitfox Classic Jab 2200
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O.K - I can't stand it any more. I don't know who you are Lynn Matteson
but you must not have a life. I count 14 postings since 11:30 a.m. and you
don't really have that much profound to say. Why don't you two or three
guys, as the kids use to say, get a room.
Frank Miles
Clarkston, Washington
K - III
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