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craig(at)craigandjean.com
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Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 8:35 pm Post subject: TV news reports 601XL down in Utah

Local stations are reporting a small aircraft down and at least one reported

it was a 601XL (the reporter held up a picture of the XL from the Zenith web

site). From the video I saw it certainly could be a 601. I believe the

latest report said the pilot (and sole occupant) was dead. It will obviously

be quite some time before we know anything about this crash but we have had

record high winds here yesterday and today.



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ksl.com:



http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=5750646



"Small plane crashes on Antelope Island

March 3rd, 2009 (at) 6:22pm



ANTELOPE ISLAND STATE PARK -- A small plane has crashed landed on Antelope

Island. Rescue teams are on their way to the crash site, which is in a

ravine.



Lt. Brad Wilcox with the Davis County Sheriff's Office said the plane was a

Zodiac, a type of homemade plane. He said the plane crashed in rugged and

steep terrain on Frary Peak.



He said it appears the plane is still in one piece.



According to Wilcox, the pilot was the only person on board. He could not

confirm the person's condition.



The Utah Wing of the Civil Air Patrol with the help of the Davis County

Sheriff's Office began looking for the plane around 1:45 p.m. when the plane

did not return.



The Sheriff's office says the plane had been missing since this morning.



Lt. Sue Chamberlin of the Civil Air Patrol says the plane took off from

Tooele and did not land at its appointed time. "



ABC-4:



"UPDATE: Plane crashes into Antelope Island



Last Update: 8:16 pm

GREAT SALT LAKE, Utah (ABC 4 News) - A 37-year-old man is dead after his

small plane crashed into Antelope Island on the Great Salt Lake Monday.



The plane went down on Frary Peak, the highest point of the island.



The man was the only person on the plane when it crashed. Emergency response

crews recovered the man's body and the scene is being investigated to

determine the exact cause of the crash.



Though the man's name was withheld, we do know that he has relatives in

Midvale, Utah."



-- Craig

craig(at)craigandjean.com
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Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 8:49 pm Post subject: TV news reports 601XL down in Utah

I'm pretty certain it is N3683X built by Dennis Stephenson of Midvale, UT.

Same blue and white color scheme in the news videos and this YouTube video:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1g7oKNTFY8



I don't know Dennis and I don't know who was flying the crash plane. My

thoughts go out to the victim's family and friends.



-- Craig



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psm(at)att.net
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Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 8:52 pm Post subject: TV news reports 601XL down in Utah

More news from Salt Lake Tribune:



http://www.sltrib.com/News/ci_11828411



Identifies pilot and Zodiac.  The pilot was identified as Kirk Babbit 

of Stansbury Park.



My take on the video previously linked is the wings folded.



Paul

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At 08:32 PM 3/3/2009, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  Local stations are reporting a small aircraft down and at least one reported

it was a 601XL (the reporter held up a picture of the XL from the Zenith web

skyguynca

Joined: 05 Jun 2006
Posts: 128

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 9:18 pm Post subject: TV news reports 601XL down in Utah

You know this may seem callous but, is the diehard XL guys going to start

saying this guy too was over controlling, overstressed his airframe...or

maybe by chance it is starting to show another accident with the XL that

something is really wrong here.



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jmaynard

Joined: 27 Feb 2008
Posts: 394
Location: Fairmont, MN (FRM)

Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 1:47 am Post subject: TV news reports 601XL down in Utah

On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 09:18:05PM -0800, skyguynca(at)skyguynca.com wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   You know this may seem callous but, is the diehard XL guys going to start

 saying this guy too was over controlling, overstressed his airframe...or

 maybe by chance it is starting to show another accident with the XL that

 something is really wrong here.


	


Until we know more, this would be just more wild speculation. It's far too

early to guess at a cause.

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Gig Giacona

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1416
Location: El Dorado Arkansas USA

Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 6:15 am Post subject: Re: TV news reports 601XL down in Utah

 	  skyguynca wrote: 	
		  You know this may seem callous but, is the diehard XL guys going to start

saying this guy too was over controlling, overstressed his airframe...or

maybe by chance it is starting to show another accident with the XL that

something is really wrong here.



-- 	




Yes there does seem to be something wrong here and that thing is that there are people who will use the death of a pilot to attempt to prove a point before any information at all is available.

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bryanmmartin

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1018

Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 6:41 am Post subject: TV news reports 601XL down in Utah

The information I got from Zenith when I built mine is that Vfe should  

be 80 MPH. 132 MPH is way out of the envelope.



On Mar 4, 2009, at 2:26 AM, Sabrina wrote:



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 <chicago2paris(at)msn.com>



 The airspeed indicator had a white arc top speed of 132 MPH, a green  

 arc of 143 and a Vne of 177.  You can tear the flaps and wings off  

 an XL at 132 with the flaps extended not to mention much of any  

 maneuver at 142 or smooth cruise in the 170s.   The videos show the  

 flaps extended often, and does not credit the pilot with the build.   

 He may not have had knowledge of the design limitations.  That is  

 what those marking are for.


	


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bryanmmartin

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
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Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 6:48 am Post subject: TV news reports 601XL down in Utah

At this point there is no way to know if the wings folded as a result  

of flying into a mountain side at a 120 MPH or if they folded before  

impact. You can't tell much from a grainy, low quality video on the  

internet. Speculation at this point is not helpful and is completely  

pointless.



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 More news from Salt Lake Tribune:



 http://www.sltrib.com/News/ci_11828411



 Identifies pilot and Zodiac.  The pilot was identified as Kirk  

 Babbit of Stansbury Park.



 My take on the video previously linked is the wings folded.




	




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Bryan Martin

N61BM, CH 601 XL,

RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.

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jmaynard

Joined: 27 Feb 2008
Posts: 394
Location: Fairmont, MN (FRM)

Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 7:03 am Post subject: TV news reports 601XL down in Utah

On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 09:41:08AM -0500, Bryan Martin wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   The information I got from Zenith when I built mine is that Vfe should be 

 80 MPH. 132 MPH is way out of the envelope.


	


It's 80 knots (92 MPH) on the AMD Zodiac.

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Fairmont, MN (KFRM)                        (Yes, that's me!)

AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC http://www.tronguy.net/N55ZC.shtml

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pavel569

Joined: 21 Dec 2007
Posts: 77

Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 9:36 am Post subject: Re: TV news reports 601XL down in Utah

If you read a comments on the website, they report a strong wind and one actually explains the route that is usually used to avoid flying in their B-airspace as close to the mountains. In strong wind is easy to get into downdraft and with not much altitude they may be no chance for recovery. Just my pure speculations!!!!



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bryanmmartin

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1018

Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 10:16 am Post subject: TV news reports 601XL down in Utah

So this airplane had it's Vfe marked 40 to 50 MPH too high. The Zenith  

plans dated 04/04 lists under Measured Performance with a Rotax 912S  

Max Continuous Speed as 132 MPH. I wonder if the builder got confused  

when he was marking the ASI.

On Mar 4, 2009, at 10:02 AM, Jay Maynard wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 >

 On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 09:41:08AM -0500, Bryan Martin wrote:

> The information I got from Zenith when I built mine is that Vfe  

> should be

> 80 MPH. 132 MPH is way out of the envelope.

 It's 80 knots (92 MPH) on the AMD Zodiac.

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N61BM, CH 601 XL,

RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.

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bryanmmartin

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Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 10:34 am Post subject: TV news reports 601XL down in Utah

If he was trying to stay out of the class B airspace he would have to  

stay below 7600 feet while flying over that island. The island rises  

2400 feet above the lake to a peak of nearly 6600 feet.  Not a lot of  

margin. One of the reports mentioned something about dust and haze. I  

wonder what the visibility was like that day.



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 If you read a comments on the website, they report a strong wind and  

 one actually explains the route that is usually used to avoid flying  

 in their B-airspace as close to the mountains. In strong wind is  

 easy to get into downdraft and with not much altitude they may be no  

 chance for recovery. Just my pure speculations!!!!


	


-- 

Bryan Martin

N61BM, CH 601 XL,

RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.

do not archive.

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numskull99(at)netzero.net
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Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 11:19 am Post subject: TV news reports 601XL down in Utah

I live in Utah,

And it was very windy around the time the plane went down.  Also the mountain the plane is on, is in the middle of the Great Salt Lake.  The only thing out there is that mountain.  I believe with the winds we had, it is VERY likely he hit a strong down draft.



Derek Lewis

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-- "pavel569" <pm569(at)hotmail.com> wrote:




If you read a comments on the website, they report a strong wind and one actually explains the route that is usually used to avoid flying in their B-airspace as close to the mountains. In strong wind is easy to get into downdraft and with not much altitude they may be no chance for recovery. Just my pure speculations!!!!



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Tail, flaps, ailerons, wings done, fuselage is on the table ....





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