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Juan Vega Jr
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 Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 11:05 am Post subject: New Zenith Statement |
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dont forget the pilot that flew through the window for cranking the plane over into negative Gs.
Juan
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William Dominguez
Joined: 09 Apr 2008
Posts: 118
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| Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 11:36 am Post subject: New Zenith Statement |
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No. I'm going by the NTSB's count in their letter to the FAA. That count excludes the French and the LSA pilot who flew into IFR.
William Dominguez
Zodiac 601XL Plans
Miami Florida
http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom
--- On Mon, 4/27/09, Gig Giacona <wrgiacona(at)gmail.com> wrote:
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From: Gig Giacona <wrgiacona(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: New Zenith Statement
To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 2:34 PM
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" <[url=/mc/compose?to=wrgiacona(at)gmail.com]wrgiacona(at)gmail.com[/url]>
That's right on point Jay. The FAA even created a Special FAR for the required training, SFAR 74.
William, are you counting the low time, LSA pilot that broke up after taking off into IFR?
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=ww.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List" --> http======================== [quote][b]
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Gig Giacona
Joined: 10 Jan 2006
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Location: El Dorado Arkansas USA
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| Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 11:41 am Post subject: Re: New Zenith Statement |
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And this is a pretty major data point. The one and only pilot that lived to tell the tail did overstress the aircraft by pilot error. So if I made the statement, "In all accidents where we KNOW the cause it was pilot error." There is nobody around that could dispute that.
| William Dominguez wrote: | I need to make a correction to one of my statement bellow. When I said "as we know, all 601XL cases are inconclusive" this is not entirely correct. The wing failure incident in France was concluded to be a pilot error, he made a hard pull. We know because the pilot survived the incident by deploying a BRS system and he was interviewed by French investigators.
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Larry Webber
Joined: 05 Jun 2008
Posts: 63
Location: West Kingston Rhode Island
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| Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 4:04 pm Post subject: New Zenith Statement |
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Hey Mikey
I can only speak for myself directly C but i bet there are many other
zenith builders C who would say to you! miss on you pister you aint so
mucking fuch C why dont you go in your kitfox jackyard and backoff C
you bon of a sitch im holding up one finger on my hand to you
guess which one it is
oh yea i dont post much because of anal attentive blokes like you!!
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Larry Webber 601 xl /corvair chugger
401 539 1028
Date: Mon C 27 Apr 2009 11:00:26 -0700
From: bill_dom(at)yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Re: Re: New Zenith Statement
To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com
I need to make a correction to one of my statement bellow. When I said "as we know C all 601XL cases are inconclusive" this is not entirely correct. The wing failure incident in France was concluded to be a pilot error C he made a hard pull. We know because the pilot survived the incident by deploying a BRS system and he was interviewed by French investigators.
William Dominguez
Zodiac 601XL Plans
Miami Florida
http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom
--- On Mon C 4/27/09 C William Dominguez <bill_dom(at)yahoo.com> wrote:
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From: William Dominguez <bill_dom(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Re: New Zenith Statement
To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Monday C April 27 C 2009 C 1:39 PM
A while ago I took the time to look for structural failure incidents in other popular experimental with with similar or larger fleet size than the Zodiac 601XL. Do you know how many cases I found? zero for Sonex C all KR models C 701 C 601HD/HDS.
The only design I found with several wing failure incidents was in one of the RVs models C 8 cases if I remember correctly. There are 2 important difference between the RV cases and the 601XL. First C in the RV cases C the NTSB where able to conclude that structural failure where the result of hard pulls by the pilot C as we know C all 601XL cases are inconclusive. Second C even thou the RV cases where concluded to be pilot error C Vans published a modification to beef up the spar and no more of this type of accidents have happened since.
William Dominguez
Zodiac 601XL Plans
Miami Florida
http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom
--- On Mon C 4/27/09 C Rick Lindstrom <tigerrick(at)mindspring.com> wrote:
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From: Rick Lindstrom <tigerrick(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: New Zenith Statement
To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Monday C April 27 C 2009 C 11:50 AM
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rick Lindstrom <tigerrick(at)mindspring.com>
Exactly right!
There are many airplanes out there that have checkered accident histories C not because the design itself is flawed C but because they're easy to fly beyond design limits.
Toss in widely varying construction and maintenance quality C and who can precisely say?
I'm sure someone will jump in with the NTSB statistical averages here sooner or later...
Rick
do not archive
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| Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 4:05 pm Post subject: New Zenith Statement |
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Juan Vega Jr
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| Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 4:17 pm Post subject: New Zenith Statement |
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i second the motion!
Juan
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