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g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net
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 Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 11:29 am Post subject: Oxygen |
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Darell,
I am good with education, thanks. Until the industry changes it SOP,
that is what I am going with.
Sent from my iPhone
Mikey
On Apr 30, 2009, at 12:00 PM, Darrell Reiley
<lifeofreiley2003(at)yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote] Mikey,
Education is key to success in most fields... you may want to do a
little more research to support your position.
Darrell
"do not archive"
--- On Thu, 4/30/09, Mike <g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net> wrote:
From: Mike <g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Oxygen
To: "rv-list(at)matronics.com" <rv-list(at)matronics.com>
Date: Thursday, April 30, 2009, 1:19 PM
Not when it comes to my safety
Sent from my iPhone
Mikey
On Apr 30, 2009, at 10:48 AM, Jerry Springer <jsflyrv(at)verizon.net>
wrote:
You don't like to save money?
Do not archive
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 30, 2009, at 10:14 AM, Mike <g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net> wrote:
All of this to save money..... Typical GA.
Sent from my iPhone
Mikey
On Apr 30, 2009, at 8:59 AM, "Bruce Gray" <Bruce(at)Glasair.org> wrote:
SCUBA is compressed air, NOT O2.
Bruce
WWW.Glasair.org
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Terry Watson
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Location: Seattle, WA USA
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| Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 12:50 pm Post subject: Oxygen |
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Jerry,
You assume that Mike is interested in facts. He appears only to be interested in some official certification of anything – if the government doesn’t certify it, he doesn’t believe it.
My question is what he is doing on a list devoted to experimental aviation. By the very definition, it is uncertified. The whole idea of flying an airplane that hasn’t had every nut, bolt screw and electron blessed by those who must be of Superior Knowledge must scare the crap out of him. Unblessed oxygen should be the least of his worries. How does he dare take a breath on the ground? Free air is not certified.
It must be a scary world he lives in. I can’t allow myself to speculate about what the republican remark was all about, but it somehow fits with the rest of it.
Terry
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Springer
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 12:19 PM
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Oxygen
LOL!!
Has nothing to do with safety. Kind of shows
how uninformed you are.
Your comments about someone being
being a republican are way out of line.
Do not archive
Sent from MY iPhone
On Apr 30, 2009, at 11:19 AM, Mike <g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net (g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net)> wrote:
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Not when it comes to my safety
Sent from my iPhone
Mikey
On Apr 30, 2009, at 10:48 AM, Jerry Springer <jsflyrv(at)verizon.net (jsflyrv(at)verizon.net)> wrote:
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You don't like to save money?
Do not archive
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 30, 2009, at 10:14 AM, Mike <g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net (g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net)> wrote:
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All of this to save money..... Typical GA.
Sent from my iPhone
Mikey
On Apr 30, 2009, at 8:59 AM, "Bruce Gray" <Bruce(at)Glasair.org (Bruce(at)Glasair.org)> wrote:
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denis.walsh(at)comcast.ne
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| Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 1:11 pm Post subject: Oxygen |
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I have an iphone and I was once a Republican I also use oxygen.
Any one who really gives a crap please raise your hand>
This thread has yielded some very good stuff along with the adolescent
stuff. lets give it a decent burial.
Denis
Sent from my emac.
On Apr 30, 2009, at 1:28 , Mike wrote:
[quote]
Darell,
I am good with education, thanks. Until the industry changes it SOP,
that is what I am going with.
Sent from my iPhone
Mikey
On Apr 30, 2009, at 12:00 PM, Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003(at)yahoo.com
> wrote:
> Mikey,
>
> Education is key to success in most fields... you may want to do a
> little more research to support your position.
>
> Darrell
>
> "do not archive"
>
> --- On Thu, 4/30/09, Mike <g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> From: Mike <g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: Oxygen
> To: "rv-list(at)matronics.com" <rv-list(at)matronics.com>
> Date: Thursday, April 30, 2009, 1:19 PM
>
> Not when it comes to my safety
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> Mikey
>
> On Apr 30, 2009, at 10:48 AM, Jerry Springer <jsflyrv(at)verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
> You don't like to save money?
> Do not archive
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 30, 2009, at 10:14 AM, Mike <g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> All of this to save money..... Typical GA.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> Mikey
>
> On Apr 30, 2009, at 8:59 AM, "Bruce Gray" <Bruce(at)Glasair.org> wrote:
> SCUBA is compressed air, NOT O2.
> Bruce
> WWW.Glasair.org
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g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net
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| Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 1:13 pm Post subject: Oxygen |
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Jerry,
How about a fricken sense of humor guys!!!!!
Sent from my iPhoneMikey
On Apr 30, 2009, at 12:18 PM, Jerry Springer <[url=mailto:jsflyrv(at)verizon.net]jsflyrv(at)verizon.net (jsflyrv(at)verizon.net)[/url]> wrote:
[quote]LOL!!
Has nothing to do with safety. Kind of shows
how uninformed you are.
Your comments about someone being
being a republican are way out of line.
Do not archive
Sent from MY iPhone
On Apr 30, 2009, at 11:19 AM, Mike < (g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net)[url=mailto:g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net]g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net (g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net)[/url]> wrote:
[quote]Not when it comes to my safety
Sent from my iPhoneMikey
On Apr 30, 2009, at 10:48 AM, Jerry Springer < (jsflyrv(at)verizon.net) (jsflyrv(at)verizon.net)[url=mailto:jsflyrv(at)verizon.net]jsflyrv(at)verizon.net (jsflyrv(at)verizon.net)[/url]> wrote:
[quote]You don't like to save money?
Do not archive
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 30, 2009, at 10:14 AM, Mike < (g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net) (g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net) (g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net)[url=mailto:g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net]g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net (g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net)[/url]> wrote:
[quote]All of this to save money..... Typical GA.
Sent from my iPhoneMikey
On Apr 30, 2009, at 8:59 AM, "Bruce Gray" < (Bruce(at)Glasair.org) (Bruce(at)Glasair.org) (Bruce(at)Glasair.org) (Bruce(at)Glasair.org)[url=mailto:Bruce(at)Glasair.org]Bruce(at)Glasair.org (Bruce(at)Glasair.org)[/url]> wrote:
[quote]
SCUBA is compressed air, NOT O2.
Bruce
[/url][url=http://WWW.Glasair.org][/url][url=http://WWW.Glasair.org]WWW.Glasair.org
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n212pj(at)gmail.com
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| Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 1:17 pm Post subject: Oxygen |
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You know, I keep hoping this list will positively support each other. Good argument, not derision. On both sides. I have been enjoying this discussion about oxygen, but let's keep it a discussion about oxygen and not about what each labels the other.
But, I'm sure I'm pissing into the wind....
John
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Terry Watson
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 1:48 PM
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV-List: Oxygen
Jerry,
You assume that Mike is interested in facts. He appears only to be interested in some official certification of anything – if the government doesn’t certify it, he doesn’t believe it.
My question is what he is doing on a list devoted to experimental aviation. By the very definition, it is uncertified. The whole idea of flying an airplane that hasn’t had every nut, bolt screw and electron blessed by those who must be of Superior Knowledge must scare the crap out of him. Unblessed oxygen should be the least of his worries. How does he dare take a breath on the ground? Free air is not certified.
It must be a scary world he lives in. I can’t allow myself to speculate about what the republican remark was all about, but it somehow fits with the rest of it.
Terry
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Springer
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 12:19 PM
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: Oxygen
LOL!!
Has nothing to do with safety. Kind of shows
how uninformed you are.
Your comments about someone being
being a republican are way out of line.
Do not archive
Sent from MY iPhone
On Apr 30, 2009, at 11:19 AM, Mike <g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net (g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net)> wrote:
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g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net
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| Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 1:19 pm Post subject: Oxygen |
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Terry,
You are completely off with what my whole point was. But you have a right to speak your opinion like I do. Don't be so quick to guess what I do or what I know. My whole point is be safe.
Sent from my iPhoneMikey
On Apr 30, 2009, at 1:48 PM, "Terry Watson" <terry(at)tcwatson.com (terry(at)tcwatson.com)> wrote:
[quote]
Jerry,
You assume that Mike is interested in facts. He appears only to be interested in some official certification of anything – if the government doesn’t certify it, he doesn’t believe it.
My question is what he is doing on a list devoted to experimental aviation. By the very definition, it is uncertified. The whole idea of flying an airplane that hasn’t had every nut, bolt screw and electron blessed by those who must be of Superior Knowledge must scare the crap out of him. Unblessed oxygen should be the least of his worries. How does he dare take a breath on the ground? Free air is not certified.
It must be a scary world he lives in. I can’t allow myself to speculate about what the republican remark was all about, but it somehow fits with the rest of it.
Terry
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Jerry Springer
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 12:19 PM
To: [url=mailto:rv-list(at)matronics.com]rv-list(at)matronics.com (rv-list(at)matronics.com)[/url]
Subject: Re: Oxygen
LOL!!
Has nothing to do with safety. Kind of shows
how uninformed you are.
Your comments about someone being
being a republican are way out of line.
Do not archive
Sent from MY iPhone
On Apr 30, 2009, at 11:19 AM, Mike <[url=mailto:g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net]g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net (g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net)[/url]> wrote:
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Not when it comes to my safety
Sent from my iPhone
Mikey
On Apr 30, 2009, at 10:48 AM, Jerry Springer <[url=mailto:jsflyrv(at)verizon.net]jsflyrv(at)verizon.net (jsflyrv(at)verizon.net)[/url]> wrote:
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You don't like to save money?
Do not archive
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 30, 2009, at 10:14 AM, Mike <[url=mailto:g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net]g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net (g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net)[/url]> wrote:
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All of this to save money..... Typical GA.
Sent from my iPhone
Mikey
On Apr 30, 2009, at 8:59 AM, "Bruce Gray" <[url=mailto:Bruce(at)Glasair.org]Bruce(at)Glasair.org (Bruce(at)Glasair.org)[/url]> wrote:
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SCUBA is compressed air, NOT O2.
Bruce
WWW.Glasair.org
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From: [url=mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com)[/url] [[url=mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com)[/url]] On Behalf Of Bret Smith
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 11:11 AM
To: [url=mailto:rv-list(at)matronics.com]rv-list(at)matronics.com (rv-list(at)matronics.com)[/url]
Subject: Re: Oxygen
WARNING! WARNING!
The O2 filled by the welding shops is NOT filtered to remove CO and CO2! Check with local dive shops that fill scuba tanks.
Bret Smith
RV-9A N16BL
Blue Ridge, GA
www.FlightInnovations.com
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From: [url=mailto:mr.gsun(at)gmail.com]mr.gsun(at)gmail.com (mr.gsun(at)gmail.com)[/url]
To: [url=mailto:rv-list(at)matronics.com]rv-list(at)matronics.com (rv-list(at)matronics.com)[/url]
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 9:52 AM
Subject: Oxygen
Here's a question for you experienced DIY, experimental RV drivers. I'm having hassles getting my little oxygen bottle filled for cross country flights in my RV7. The medical folks take forever because they are used to swapping out bottles and mine has a different type of threads. The gas suppliers and welding gas shops don't want to talk to me at all. The FBO that fills it is not convenient and wants $50 just to hook it up.
My question is: Can I get the fittings to connect my little tank directly to my large oxygen bottle on my Oxy-acetelyne torch set and fill my bottle that way? (Up to the pressure of my large tank anyway) They have no problem filling/swapping that tank for me and the guy at the welding shop says the oxygen is the same anyway.
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g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net
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| Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 1:35 pm Post subject: Oxygen |
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Dennis,
Well said!!!
Sent from my iPhone
Mikey
On Apr 30, 2009, at 2:10 PM, Denis Walsh <denis.walsh(at)comcast.net>
wrote:
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I have an iphone and I was once a Republican I also use oxygen.
Any one who really gives a crap please raise your hand>
This thread has yielded some very good stuff along with the
adolescent stuff. lets give it a decent burial.
Denis
Sent from my emac.
On Apr 30, 2009, at 1:28 , Mike wrote:
>
>
> Darell,
>
> I am good with education, thanks. Until the industry changes it
> SOP, that is what I am going with.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> Mikey
>
> On Apr 30, 2009, at 12:00 PM, Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003(at)yahoo.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Mikey,
>>
>> Education is key to success in most fields... you may want to do a
>> little more research to support your position.
>>
>> Darrell
>>
>> "do not archive"
>>
>> --- On Thu, 4/30/09, Mike <g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Mike <g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net>
>> Subject: Re: Oxygen
>> To: "rv-list(at)matronics.com" <rv-list(at)matronics.com>
>> Date: Thursday, April 30, 2009, 1:19 PM
>>
>>
>>
>> Not when it comes to my safety
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> Mikey
>>
>> On Apr 30, 2009, at 10:48 AM, Jerry Springer <jsflyrv(at)verizon.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> You don't like to save money?
>>
>>
>> Do not archive
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 30, 2009, at 10:14 AM, Mike <g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> All of this to save money..... Typical GA.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> Mikey
>>
>> On Apr 30, 2009, at 8:59 AM, "Bruce Gray" <Bruce(at)Glasair.org> wrote:
>>
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>>
>> SCUBA is compressed air, NOT O2.
>>
>>
>> Bruce
>> WWW.Glasair.org
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Terry Watson
Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 290
Location: Seattle, WA USA
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| Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 1:49 pm Post subject: Oxygen |
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No, you are right John. My apologies to the list.
Terry
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 2:17 PM
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Oxygen
You know, I keep hoping this list will positively support each other. Good argument, not derision. On both sides. I have been enjoying this discussion about oxygen, but let's keep it a discussion about oxygen and not about what each labels the other.
But, I'm sure I'm pissing into the wind....
John
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Terry Watson
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 1:48 PM
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Oxygen
Jerry,
You assume that Mike is interested in facts. He appears only to be interested in some official certification of anything – if the government doesn’t certify it, he doesn’t believe it.
My question is what he is doing on a list devoted to experimental aviation. By the very definition, it is uncertified. The whole idea of flying an airplane that hasn’t had every nut, bolt screw and electron blessed by those who must be of Superior Knowledge must scare the crap out of him. Unblessed oxygen should be the least of his worries. How does he dare take a breath on the ground? Free air is not certified.
It must be a scary world he lives in. I can’t allow myself to speculate about what the republican remark was all about, but it somehow fits with the rest of it.
Terry
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Springer
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 12:19 PM
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Oxygen
LOL!!
Has nothing to do with safety. Kind of shows
how uninformed you are.
Your comments about someone being
being a republican are way out of line.
Do not archive
Sent from MY iPhone
On Apr 30, 2009, at 11:19 AM, Mike <g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net (g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net)> wrote:
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Not when it comes to my safety
Sent from my iPhone
Mikey
On Apr 30, 2009, at 10:48 AM, Jerry Springer <jsflyrv(at)verizon.net (jsflyrv(at)verizon.net)> wrote:
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You don't like to save money?
Do not archive
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 30, 2009, at 10:14 AM, Mike <g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net (g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net)> wrote:
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All of this to save money..... Typical GA.
Sent from my iPhone
Mikey
On Apr 30, 2009, at 8:59 AM, "Bruce Gray" <Bruce(at)Glasair.org (Bruce(at)Glasair.org)> wrote:
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| Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 2:42 pm Post subject: Oxygen |
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He started it  relax, just kidding.
Jerry
do not archive
Terry Watson wrote:
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No, you are right John. My apologies to the list.
Terry
*From:* owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *John Jessen
*Sent:* Thursday, April 30, 2009 2:17 PM
*To:* rv-list(at)matronics.com
*Subject:* RE: Oxygen
You know, I keep hoping this list will positively support each other.
Good argument, not derision. On both sides. I have been enjoying this
discussion about oxygen, but let's keep it a discussion about oxygen
and not about what each labels the other.
But, I'm sure I'm pissing into the wind....
John
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*From:* owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Terry Watson
*Sent:* Thursday, April 30, 2009 1:48 PM
*To:* rv-list(at)matronics.com
*Subject:* RE: Oxygen
Jerry,
You assume that Mike is interested in facts. He appears only to be
interested in some official certification of anything – if the
government doesn’t certify it, he doesn’t believe it.
My question is what he is doing on a list devoted to experimental
aviation. By the very definition, it is uncertified. The whole idea of
flying an airplane that hasn’t had every nut, bolt screw and electron
blessed by those who must be of Superior Knowledge must scare the crap
out of him. Unblessed oxygen should be the least of his worries. How
does he dare take a breath on the ground? Free air is not certified.
It must be a scary world he lives in. I can’t allow myself to
speculate about what the republican remark was all about, but it
somehow fits with the rest of it.
Terry
*From:* owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Jerry Springer
*Sent:* Thursday, April 30, 2009 12:19 PM
*To:* rv-list(at)matronics.com
*Subject:* Re: Oxygen
LOL!!
Has nothing to do with safety. Kind of shows
how uninformed you are.
Your comments about someone being
being a republican are way out of line.
Do not archive
Sent from MY iPhone
On Apr 30, 2009, at 11:19 AM, Mike <g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net
<mailto:g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
Not when it comes to my safety
Sent from my iPhone
Mikey
On Apr 30, 2009, at 10:48 AM, Jerry Springer <jsflyrv(at)verizon.net
<mailto:jsflyrv(at)verizon.net>> wrote:
You don't like to save money?
Do not archive
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 30, 2009, at 10:14 AM, Mike <g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net
<mailto:g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
All of this to save money..... Typical GA.
Sent from my iPhone
Mikey
On Apr 30, 2009, at 8:59 AM, "Bruce Gray"
<Bruce(at)Glasair.org <mailto:Bruce(at)Glasair.org>> wrote:
*SCUBA is compressed air, NOT O2.*
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Bruce
WWW.Glasair.org <http://WWW.Glasair.org>
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| Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 3:44 pm Post subject: Oxygen |
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Dito
Sent from my iPhoneMikey
On Apr 30, 2009, at 2:48 PM, "Terry Watson" <terry(at)tcwatson.com (terry(at)tcwatson.com)> wrote:
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No, you are right John. My apologies to the list.
Terry
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of John Jessen
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 2:17 PM
To: [url=mailto:rv-list(at)matronics.com]rv-list(at)matronics.com (rv-list(at)matronics.com)[/url]
Subject: RE: Oxygen
You know, I keep hoping this list will positively support each other. Good argument, not derision. On both sides. I have been enjoying this discussion about oxygen, but let's keep it a discussion about oxygen and not about what each labels the other.
But, I'm sure I'm pissing into the wind....
John
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Terry Watson
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 1:48 PM
To: [url=mailto:rv-list(at)matronics.com]rv-list(at)matronics.com (rv-list(at)matronics.com)[/url]
Subject: RE: Oxygen
Jerry,
You assume that Mike is interested in facts. He appears only to be interested in some official certification of anything – if the government doesn’t certify it, he doesn’t believe it.
My question is what he is doing on a list devoted to experimental aviation. By the very definition, it is uncertified. The whole idea of flying an airplane that hasn’t had every nut, bolt screw and electron blessed by those who must be of Superior Knowledge must scare the crap out of him. Unblessed oxygen should be the least of his worries. How does he dare take a breath on the ground? Free air is not certified.
It must be a scary world he lives in. I can’t allow myself to speculate about what the republican remark was all about, but it somehow fits with the rest of it.
Terry
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Jerry Springer
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 12:19 PM
To: [url=mailto:rv-list(at)matronics.com]rv-list(at)matronics.com (rv-list(at)matronics.com)[/url]
Subject: Re: Oxygen
LOL!!
Has nothing to do with safety. Kind of shows
how uninformed you are.
Your comments about someone being
being a republican are way out of line.
Do not archive
Sent from MY iPhone
On Apr 30, 2009, at 11:19 AM, Mike <[url=mailto:g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net]g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net (g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net)[/url]> wrote:
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Not when it comes to my safety
Sent from my iPhone
Mikey
On Apr 30, 2009, at 10:48 AM, Jerry Springer <[url=mailto:jsflyrv(at)verizon.net]jsflyrv(at)verizon.net (jsflyrv(at)verizon.net)[/url]> wrote:
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You don't like to save money?
Do not archive
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 30, 2009, at 10:14 AM, Mike <[url=mailto:g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net]g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net (g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net)[/url]> wrote:
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All of this to save money..... Typical GA.
Sent from my iPhone
Mikey
On Apr 30, 2009, at 8:59 AM, "Bruce Gray" <[url=mailto:Bruce(at)Glasair.org]Bruce(at)Glasair.org (Bruce(at)Glasair.org)[/url]> wrote:
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SCUBA is compressed air, NOT O2.
Bruce
WWW.Glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: [url=mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com)[/url] [[url=mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com]mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com)[/url]] On Behalf Of Bret Smith
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 11:11 AM
To: [url=mailto:rv-list(at)matronics.com]rv-list(at)matronics.com (rv-list(at)matronics.com)[/url]
Subject: Re: Oxygen
WARNING! WARNING!
The O2 filled by the welding shops is NOT filtered to remove CO and CO2! Check with local dive shops that fill scuba tanks.
Bret Smith
RV-9A N16BL
Blue Ridge, GA
www.FlightInnovations.com
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----- Original Message -----
From: [url=mailto:mr.gsun(at)gmail.com]mr.gsun(at)gmail.com (mr.gsun(at)gmail.com)[/url]
To: [url=mailto:rv-list(at)matronics.com]rv-list(at)matronics.com (rv-list(at)matronics.com)[/url]
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 9:52 AM
Subject: Oxygen
Here's a question for you experienced DIY, experimental RV drivers. I'm having hassles getting my little oxygen bottle filled for cross country flights in my RV7. The medical folks take forever because they are used to swapping out bottles and mine has a different type of threads. The gas suppliers and welding gas shops don't want to talk to me at all. The FBO that fills it is not convenient and wants $50 just to hook it up.
My question is: Can I get the fittings to connect my little tank directly to my large oxygen bottle on my Oxy-acetelyne torch set and fill my bottle that way? (Up to the pressure of my large tank anyway) They have no problem filling/swapping that tank for me and the guy at the welding shop says the oxygen is the same anyway.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 4:52 pm Post subject: Oxygen |
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You must be a tool with an attitude and overly opinionated.
Sent from my laptop
Do not archive
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 1:34 PM
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: Oxygen
Dana,
You must be a republican.
Sent from my iPhone
Mikey
On Apr 30, 2009, at 10:56 AM, Dana Overall <bo124rs(at)hotmail.com (bo124rs(at)hotmail.com)> wrote:
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Mikey with iphone, the oxygen now days is the same oxygen. Pay more for it as g4mech if you want too or just feel the need but don't trash those of us whom are correctly informed.
Typical non GA
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY i39
RV-7 slider "Black Magic" Flying..well sorta, useta, kinda
Barrett Precision O 360 A1A
Hartzell C2YR-1BFP/F7497-2
http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackmagic.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMi05-WU2D0#GU5U2spHI_4
http://rvflying.tripod.com
do not archive
From: g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: Oxygen
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 10:14:19 -0700
All of this to save money..... Typical GA.
Sent from my iPhone
Mikey
On Apr 30, 2009, at 8:59 AM, "Bruce Gray" <Bruce(at)Glasair.org (Bruce(at)Glasair.org)> wrote:
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SCUBA is compressed air, NOT O2.
Bruce
WWW.Glasair.org
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| Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 6:35 pm Post subject: Oxygen |
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AHMEN!!!!!!
Sent from my home brewed Intel quad powered Asus board PC over Hughes net satellite up link here in southern MN---so there!! LOL
From: Denis Walsh <denis.walsh(at)comcast.net>
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 4:10:05 PM
Subject: Re: Oxygen
--> RV-List message posted by: Denis Walsh <denis.walsh(at)comcast.net (denis.walsh(at)comcast.net)>
I have an iphone and I was once a Republican I also use oxygen.
Any one who really gives a crap please raise your hand>
This thread has yielded some very good stuff along with the adolescent stuff. lets give it a decent burial.
Denis
Sent from my emac.
On Apr 30, 2009, at 1:28 , Mike wrote:
[quote] --> RV-List message posted by: Mike <g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net (g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net)>
Darell,
I am good with education, thanks. Until the industry changes it SOP, that is what I am going with.
Sent from my iPhone
Mikey
On Apr 30, 2009, at 12:00 PM, Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003(at)yahoo.com (lifeofreiley2003(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:
> Mikey,
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> Education is key to success in most fields... you may want to do a little more research to support your position.
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> Darrell
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> "do not archive"
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> --- On Thu, 4/30/09, Mike <g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net (g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net)> wrote:
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> From: Mike <g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net (g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net)>
> Subject: Re: Oxygen
> To: "rv-list(at)matronics.com (rv-list(at)matronics.com)" <rv-list(at)matronics.com (rv-list(at)matronics.com)>
> Date: Thursday, April 30, 2009, 1:19 PM
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> Not when it comes to my safety
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> Sent from my iPhone
> Mikey
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> On Apr 30, 2009, at 10:48 AM, Jerry Springer <jsflyrv(at)verizon.net (jsflyrv(at)verizon.net)> wrote:
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> You don't like to save money?
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> Do not archive
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Apr 30, 2009, at 10:14 AM, Mike <g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net (g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net)> wrote:
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> All of this to save money..... Typical GA.
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> Sent from my iPhone
> Mikey
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> On Apr 30, 2009, at 8:59 AM, "Bruce Gray" <Bruce(at)Glasair.org (Bruce(at)Glasair.org)> wrote:
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> SCUBA is compressed air, NOT O2.
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> Bruce
> WWW.Glasair.org
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Dave(at)AirCraftersLLC.co
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Time to end this thread, or at least get back on the subject.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Terry Watson
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 1:48 PM
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV-List: Oxygen
Jerry,
You assume that Mike is interested in facts. He appears only to be interested in some official certification of anything – if the government doesn’t certify it, he doesn’t believe it.
My question is what he is doing on a list devoted to experimental aviation. By the very definition, it is uncertified. The whole idea of flying an airplane that hasn’t had every nut, bolt screw and electron blessed by those who must be of Superior Knowledge must scare the crap out of him. Unblessed oxygen should be the least of his worries. How does he dare take a breath on the ground? Free air is not certified.
It must be a scary world he lives in. I can’t allow myself to speculate about what the republican remark was all about, but it somehow fits with the rest of it.
Terry
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Springer
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 12:19 PM
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: Oxygen
LOL!!
Has nothing to do with safety. Kind of shows
how uninformed you are.
Your comments about someone being
being a republican are way out of line.
Do not archive
Sent from MY iPhone
On Apr 30, 2009, at 11:19 AM, Mike <g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net (g4mech(at)sbcglobal.net)> wrote:
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Well,when I went to the biggest welding supply source here in indy, we had this same conversation. Turns out he supplies all the hospitals, all the welding supply houses, all the FBO's in the area from the same tank. He is the top of the food chain. Perhaps the mom-n-pop supplier on the corner doesn't have the QC or knowledge or cajones to provide what we need, but the O2 does come from one source, and is produced to the most stringent spec.
Sent from the mothership in an undisclosed location 
Glen Matejcek
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panamared505(at)brier.net
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I have to agree with safety, I would not weld with any welding oxygen that
contained anything but pure oxygen. Since I fly with the welds I produce, I
don't want any contanimated welds.
Sent from my desktop PC
Bob
RV6 "Wicked Witch of the West"
DR-107 "Wicked Witch"
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az_gila
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| Bruce(at)Glasair.org wrote: | SCUBA is compressed air, NOT O2.
Bruce
WWW.Glasair.org
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True for "scuba", but they do use other gas combinations.
In Tucson, they seem to be the only place - other than the expen$ive FBOs - that will refill my tank. A lot of the industrial/medical gas places only want to swap bottles, not actually refill yours.
Try your local dive shop for Oxygen tank refills.
And interestingly, they even said their bottles are labeled "Aviators Breathing Oxygen". Prices quoted were very reasonable and they could even get my old bottle hydro tested for $20 or so.
As a glider pilot though, I've had Oxygen refills from many sites in the West, and they all use welding oxygen.
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Tim Olson
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That's very true. I used to use Heilum/Air for very deep
dives, Air for "plain old deep", 40% O2 for deeper
decompression stops, 100% O2 for 20' or less decompression
stops. We filled all of those gasses at my scuba shop.
Back in those years, SCUBA divers doing these technical
mixed gas dives were just as if not MORE concerned
for the air purity as pilots need to be. For one,
at depths in Lake Superior and due to high expansion cooling
rates, the O2 needed to be very dry to prevent icing
inside the regulators. Additionally, due to the way
gasses affect your body according to the gas partial
pressures, CO, or CO2 would have a much more magnified
effect on your body at depth than at the surface...and
the same goes for altitude. The less pressure you're
under the less the effect of the gas, with the exception
that if you're flying you need to make sure you have
ENOUGH O2 partial pressure, which is why we breathe
the supplemental Oxygen while flying. For SCUBA
we had to make sure we REDUCED the percentage (thus
reducing the partial pressure) as we went deeper, due
to the negative effects of O2 at deep depths. (Even Air
at 300' can kill you pretty quickly.)
For Hydro tests we used to work with local welding and
Fire Extinguisher companies because they had the best
pricing to get any cylinder tested.
Welders are also very concerned with purity of gasses
or their welds will be contaminated or weak.
So everyone has a huge concern for gas purity. Thay
may have been why they decided to go to single-source
filling. Like I said before though, there are some
situations where they will pull a vacuum on a cylinder
before filling it, to empty it first. So they may do
this for some medical/aviation O2, hence that may be
why they just want to swap you. But, if you're
always filling it with pure O2 you have no worries.
Additionally, one thing you should try to do is never
run your bottle completely empty. Keeping 100psi in
it at all times will ensure that no contamination gets
in.
Lots of cool things to do both above and below the
earth's surface. It's usually made even more fun
and safe by breathing various alternative mixes of
Air/O2. Just as they say that flying over 5,000-10,000'
on O2 makes you arrive more refreshed and all that
jazz, the same goes for doing a 60' dive breathing
gas mixes of 36% O2. Lots of benefits for both
sports. If you're into SCUBA diving, one nice thing
you can do for yourself is investigate Nitrox diving.
It's a great way to add safety margin to your
bottom times, and to have a more enjoyable experience.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
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az_gila wrote:
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Bruce(at)Glasair.org wrote:
> SCUBA is compressed air, NOT O2.
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> Bruce WWW.Glasair.org
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True for "scuba", but they do use other gas combinations.
In Tucson, they seem to be the only place - other than the expen$ive
FBOs - that will refill my tank. A lot of the industrial/medical gas
places only want to swap bottles, not actually refill yours.
Try your local dive shop for Oxygen tank refills.
And interestingly, they even said their bottles are labeled "Aviators
Breathing Oxygen". Prices quoted were very reasonable and they could
even get my old bottle hydro tested for $20 or so.
As a glider pilot though, I've had Oxygen refills from many sites in
the West, and they all use welding oxygen.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 42406#242406
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chaskuss(at)yahoo.com
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Tim,
Interesting idea on evacuating the oxygen tank prior to filling it. As the owner of an auto repair shop, I have a vacuum pump (for working on air conditioning systems) I'm sure I could rig up an adapter to draw most of the air out of my cylinders prior to filling them myself. Thanks for the idea and the excellent post.
Charlie Kuss
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may have been why they decided to go to single-source
filling. Like I said before though, there are some
situations where they will pull a vacuum on a cylinder
before filling it, to empty it first. So they may do
this for some medical/aviation O2, hence that may be
why they just want to swap you. But, if you're
always filling it with pure O2 you have no worries.
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az_gila wrote:
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> Bruce(at)Glasair.org wrote:
>> SCUBA is compressed air, NOT O2.
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> True for "scuba", but they do use other gas
combinations.
>
> In Tucson, they seem to be the only place - other than
the expen$ive
> FBOs - that will refill my tank. A lot of the
industrial/medical gas
> places only want to swap bottles, not actually refill
yours.
>
> Try your local dive shop for Oxygen tank refills.
>
> And interestingly, they even said their bottles are
labeled "Aviators
> Breathing Oxygen". Prices quoted were very
reasonable and they could
> even get my old bottle hydro tested for $20 or so.
>
> As a glider pilot though, I've had Oxygen refills
from many sites in
> the West, and they all use welding oxygen.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
>
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 42406#242406
>
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