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kdbelue(at)charter.net
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 Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 1:33 pm Post subject: 5 Seat RV-10 |
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Your insurance cost is lower than mine - do you have ground hull coverage or full coverage? Mine is $3600 for full coverage, 150k hull.
Kevin Belue
RV6A
RV10
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On May 1, 2009, at 4:13 PM, Patrick Thyssen <jump2(at)sbcglobal.net (jump2(at)sbcglobal.net)> wrote:
[quote]Thats ok I was just putting it out there for the group to think. I also have 4 seats but wanted 12500lbs just to see what they would do, but did not want to have to get another type rating,& Hassle with big brother. so I just said 2800lbs. I got my insurance for $2400 for 150k hull and rest is usual. Eaa falconcrest group.
Crazy thing is I got my C-310 for $2370 for the same coverage. go figure.
Patrick Thyssen
--- On Fri, 5/1/09, Condrey, Bob (US SSA) <bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com (bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com)> wrote:
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From: Condrey, Bob (US SSA) <bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com (bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com)>
Subject: RE: 5 Seat RV-10
To: [url=mailto:rv10-list(at)matronics.com]rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)[/url]
Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 3:39 PM
Sorry, don’t remember the exact question. Not a factor for me since I’ve got the stock seat configuration.
Bob
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Patrick Thyssen
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 3:27 PM
To: [url=mailto:rv10-list(at)matronics.com]rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)[/url]
Subject: RE: 5 Seat RV-10
Question, On your insurance form did they ask if you modified my plane from vans plan? Mine did and I answered accordingly. I would certainly say adding a fifth seat is a modification. or fifth seatbelt. Since every one on board has to have their own with exception of child under 2yrs.
Just my reading of FARS Not EAA.
Patrick Thyssen
--- On Fri, 5/1/09, Condrey, Bob ( US SSA) <bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com (bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com)> wrote:
From: Condrey, Bob (US SSA) <bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com (bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com)>
Subject: RE: 5 Seat RV-10
To: [url=mailto:rv10-list(at)matronics.com]rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)[/url]
Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 12:44 PM
Happy to share John, but will point out that the registration process is where things get fouled up – it’s the clerk that reads the info from the multi-part carbon (not kidding here) form and enters into to the DB. The DAR I used was a retired FSDO employee that does contract work for them in addition to offering DAR services. She was getting ready to head over to the UK to inspect some mods to a biz jet the week after she did my plane. The insurance paperwork simply asks for number of seats which means (to me anyway) that they care about how many seats you actually have, not how the plane is registered. You see a lot of military aeroclubs that remove a couple seats for insurance purposes since they focus mostly on flight training.
I made a call when I discovered the issue but it seems like once the info is there it’s a huge amount of effort to change. You’ll also note that the manufacturer field just has my last name even though my full name was on the form and most other planes list full names.
DAR was Donna Basgall, #DARF830505CE and my insurance is via SkySmith.
Bob
N442PM (flying for a year now!)
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jump2(at)sbcglobal.net
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| Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 2:23 pm Post subject: 5 Seat RV-10 |
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They both have full coverage. Been with falcon for 15+ yrs. RV 150k and 310 155k. Enough time and no incidents in last 6 yrs. AP IA ATP
Patrick Thyssen
--- On Fri, 5/1/09, Kevin Belue <kdbelue(at)charter.net> wrote:
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From: Kevin Belue <kdbelue(at)charter.net>
Subject: Re: 5 Seat RV-10
To: "rv10-list(at)matronics.com" <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>
Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 4:32 PM
Your insurance cost is lower than mine - do you have ground hull coverage or full coverage? Mine is $3600 for full coverage, 150k hull.
Kevin Belue
RV6A
RV10
Sent from my iPhone
On May 1, 2009, at 4:13 PM, Patrick Thyssen <[url=/mc/compose?to=jump2(at)sbcglobal.net]jump2(at)sbcglobal.net[/url]> wrote:
| Quote: | Thats ok I was just putting it out there for the group to think. I also have 4 seats but wanted 12500lbs just to see what they would do, but did not want to have to get another type rating,& Hassle with big brother. so I just said 2800lbs. I got my insurance for $2400 for 150k hull and rest is usual. Eaa falconcrest group.
Crazy thing is I got my C-310 for $2370 for the same coverage. go figure.
Patrick Thyssen
--- On Fri, 5/1/09, Condrey, Bob (US SSA) <[url=/mc/compose?to=bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com]bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com[/url]> wrote:
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From: Condrey, Bob (US SSA) <[url=/mc/compose?to=bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com]bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com[/url]>
Subject: RE: 5 Seat RV-10
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 3:39 PM
Sorry, don’t remember the exact question. Not a factor for me since I’ve got the stock seat configuration.
Bob
From: mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Patrick Thyssen
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 3:27 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: RE: 5 Seat RV-10
Question, On your insurance form did they ask if you modified my plane from vans plan? Mine did and I answered accordingly. I would certainly say adding a fifth seat is a modification. or fifth seatbelt. Since every one on board has to have their own with exception of child under 2yrs.
Just my reading of FARS Not EAA.
Patrick Thyssen
--- On Fri, 5/1/09, Condrey, Bob ( US SSA) <[url=/mc/compose?to=bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com]bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com[/url]> wrote:
From: Condrey, Bob (US SSA) <[url=/mc/compose?to=bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com]bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com[/url]>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: 5 Seat RV-10
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 12:44 PM
Happy to share John, but will point out that the registration process is where things get fouled up – it’s the clerk that reads the info from the multi-part carbon (not kidding here) form and enters into to the DB. The DAR I used was a retired FSDO employee that does contract work for them in addition to offering DAR services. She was getting ready to head over to the UK to inspect some mods to a biz jet the week after she did my plane. The insurance paperwork simply asks for number of seats which means (to me anyway) that they care about how many seats you actually have, not how the plane is registered. You see a lot of military aeroclubs that remove a couple seats for insurance purposes since they focus mostly on flight training.
I made a call when I discovered the issue but it seems like once the info is there it’s a huge amount of effort to change. You’ll also note that the manufacturer field just has my last name even though my full name was on the form and most other planes list full names.
DAR was Donna Basgall, #DARF830505CE and my insurance is via SkySmith.
Bob
N442PM (flying for a year now!)
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bwestfall
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| Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 2:47 pm Post subject: 5 Seat RV-10 |
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You’d need hardpoints under the wings to get anywhere near that 12,500lb number. Something tells me that’s a real bitch on your insurance though.
-Ben
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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Thyssen
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 2:13 PM
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Subject: RE: 5 Seat RV-10
Thats ok I was just putting it out there for the group to think. I also have 4 seats but wanted 12500lbs just to see what they would do, but did not want to have to get another type rating,& Hassle with big brother. so I just said 2800lbs. I got my insurance for $2400 for 150k hull and rest is usual. Eaa falconcrest group.
Crazy thing is I got my C-310 for $2370 for the same coverage. go figure.
Patrick Thyssen
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AV8ORJWC
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| Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 10:18 pm Post subject: 5 Seat RV-10 |
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Tongue in cheek...It's good to know Sky Smith, your DAR and the FAA clerk all count cheeks as the basis for 10.
Safe Flyin!
John Cox
From: Condrey, Bob (US SSA)
Sent: Fri 5/1/2009 1:39 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: 5 Seat RV-10
Sorry, don’t remember the exact question. Not a factor for me since I’ve got the stock seat configuration.
Bob
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Thyssen
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 3:27 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: 5 Seat RV-10
Question, On your insurance form did they ask if you modified my plane from vans plan? Mine did and I answered accordingly. I would certainly say adding a fifth seat is a modification. or fifth seatbelt. Since every one on board has to have their own with exception of child under 2yrs.
Just my reading of FARS Not EAA.
Patrick Thyssen
--- On Fri, 5/1/09, Condrey, Bob (US SSA) <bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com> wrote:
From: Condrey, Bob (US SSA) <bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com>
Subject: RE: 5 Seat RV-10
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 12:44 PM
Happy to share John, but will point out that the registration process is where things get fouled up – it’s the clerk that reads the info from the multi-part carbon (not kidding here) form and enters into to the DB. The DAR I used was a retired FSDO employee that does contract work for them in addition to offering DAR services. She was getting ready to head over to the UK to inspect some mods to a biz jet the week after she did my plane. The insurance paperwork simply asks for number of seats which means (to me anyway) that they care about how many seats you actually have, not how the plane is registered. You see a lot of military aeroclubs that remove a couple seats for insurance purposes since they focus mostly on flight training.
I made a call when I discovered the issue but it seems like once the info is there it’s a huge amount of effort to change. You’ll also note that the manufacturer field just has my last name even though my full name was on the form and most other planes list full names.
DAR was Donna Basgall, #DARF830505CE and my insurance is via SkySmith.
Bob
N442PM (flying for a year now!)
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Lew Gallagher
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| Posted: Sat May 02, 2009 6:00 am Post subject: Re: 5 Seat RV-10 |
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Hey John,
Totally irrelevant to insurance, but I'm so happy to be back, I just can't resist the tongue in cheek (as long as we're counting cheeks):
Five soles would be two intact humans and one amputee with shoes, right?
Later, - Lew (building is great for my soul)
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