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 Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 10:40 pm Post subject: Tight Wing Attach Bolts |
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Could anyone please tell me if they have experienced inconsistency amongst the wing attachment bolts?
I am up to Section 28 where you join the forward and mid fuselage assemblies together and I'm finding that some of the smaller spar attachment bolts are really tight, whilst others slip into the holes fine. All the bigger bolts are fine.
If anyone has a realistic solution could you please let me know as I'm loath to do anything that will upset the holes in the carry through spars.
Many thanks in anticipation.
Regards
Patrick Pulis
RV-10 #40299 VH-XPP
Adelaide, South Australia
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msausen
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| Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 2:54 am Post subject: Tight Wing Attach Bolts |
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Throw the tight ones in the freezer overnight and give it a try again.
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Pulis
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 2:29 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Tight Wing Attach Bolts
Could anyone please tell me if they have experienced inconsistency amongst the wing attachment bolts?
I am up to Section 28 where you join the forward and mid fuselage assemblies together and I'm finding that some of the smaller spar attachment bolts are really tight, whilst others slip into the holes fine. All the bigger bolts are fine.
If anyone has a realistic solution could you please let me know as I'm loath to do anything that will upset the holes in the carry through spars.
Many thanks in anticipation.
Regards
Patrick Pulis
RV-10 #40299 VH-XPP
Adelaide, South Australia
Need a Holiday? Win a $10,000 Holiday of your choice. [url=http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylc=X3oDMTJxN2x2ZmNpBF9zAzIwMjM2MTY2MTMEdG1fZG1lY2gDVGV4dCBMaW5rBHRtX2xuawNVMTEwMzk3NwR0bV9uZXQDWWFob28hBHRtX3BvcwN0YWdsaW5lBHRtX3BwdHkDYXVueg--/SIG=14600t3ni/**http%3A/au.rd.yahoo.com/mail/tagline/creativeholidays/*http%3A/au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/%3Fp1=other%26p2=au%26p3=mailtagline%0a]Enter now.[/url]. | Quote: | | http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List |
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vhicy(at)bigpond.com
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| Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 3:33 am Post subject: Tight Wing Attach Bolts |
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Yes Patrick so in the freezer for a night then a "slight tap" with a small rubber mallat.
Chris
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dlm46007(at)cox.net
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| Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 3:33 am Post subject: Tight Wing Attach Bolts |
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Only if this is the final install of the wings
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 3:51 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Tight Wing Attach Bolts
Throw the tight ones in the freezer overnight and give it a try again.
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Pulis
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 2:29 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Tight Wing Attach Bolts
Could anyone please tell me if they have experienced inconsistency amongst the wing attachment bolts?
I am up to Section 28 where you join the forward and mid fuselage assemblies together and I'm finding that some of the smaller spar attachment bolts are really tight, whilst others slip into the holes fine. All the bigger bolts are fine.
If anyone has a realistic solution could you please let me know as I'm loath to do anything that will upset the holes in the carry through spars.
Many thanks in anticipation.
Regards
Patrick Pulis
RV-10 #40299 VH-XPP
Adelaide, South Australia
Need a Holiday? Win a $10,000 Holiday of your choice. [url=http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylc=X3oDMTJxN2x2ZmNpBF9zAzIwMjM2MTY2MTMEdG1fZG1lY2gDVGV4dCBMaW5rBHRtX2xuawNVMTEwMzk3NwR0bV9uZXQDWWFob28hBHRtX3BvcwN0YWdsaW5lBHRtX3BwdHkDYXVueg--/SIG=14600t3ni/**http%3A/au.rd.yahoo.com/mail/tagline/creativeholidays/*http%3A/au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/%3Fp1=other%26p2=au%26p3=mailtagline%0a]Enter now.[/url]. | Quote: | | http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List |
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jesse(at)saintaviation.co
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| Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 4:27 am Post subject: Tight Wing Attach Bolts |
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I agree. If it's just to pin them together, I just use a set of 3/8 bolts (4/wing) and hold it together with that. Some grease wouldn't hurt either.
Jesse SaintSaint Aviation
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On May 15, 2009, at 7:29 AM, "David McNeill" <dlm46007(at)cox.net (dlm46007(at)cox.net)> wrote:
[quote] Only if this is the final install of the wings
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
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Subject: RE: Tight Wing Attach Bolts
Throw the tight ones in the freezer overnight and give it a try again.
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Patrick Pulis
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To: [url=mailto:rv10-list(at)matronics.com]rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)[/url]
Subject: Tight Wing Attach Bolts
Could anyone please tell me if they have experienced inconsistency amongst the wing attachment bolts?
I am up to Section 28 where you join the forward and mid fuselage assemblies together and I'm finding that some of the smaller spar attachment bolts are really tight, whilst others slip into the holes fine. All the bigger bolts are fine.
If anyone has a realistic solution could you please let me know as I'm loath to do anything that will upset the holes in the carry through spars.
Many thanks in anticipation.
Regards
Patrick Pulis
RV-10 #40299 VH-XPP
Adelaide, South Australia
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rv(at)thelefflers.com
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| Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 4:52 am Post subject: Tight Wing Attach Bolts |
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Since this is just a temporary installation to align the two spars, go to your local aviation supply’s(i.e. Home Depot, Lowes, Minard’s, etc) bolt dept and get some slightly undersized bolts. Leave the ones from Van’s for the final mounting on the wings.
Bob
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 6:51 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Tight Wing Attach Bolts
Throw the tight ones in the freezer overnight and give it a try again.
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Pulis
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 2:29 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Tight Wing Attach Bolts
Could anyone please tell me if they have experienced inconsistency amongst the wing attachment bolts?
I am up to Section 28 where you join the forward and mid fuselage assemblies together and I'm finding that some of the smaller spar attachment bolts are really tight, whilst others slip into the holes fine. All the bigger bolts are fine.
If anyone has a realistic solution could you please let me know as I'm loath to do anything that will upset the holes in the carry through spars.
Many thanks in anticipation.
Regards
Patrick Pulis
RV-10 #40299 VH-XPP
Adelaide, South Australia
Need a Holiday? Win a $10,000 Holiday of your choice. [url=http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylc=X3oDMTJxN2x2ZmNpBF9zAzIwMjM2MTY2MTMEdG1fZG1lY2gDVGV4dCBMaW5rBHRtX2xuawNVMTEwMzk3NwR0bV9uZXQDWWFob28hBHRtX3BvcwN0YWdsaW5lBHRtX3BwdHkDYXVueg--/SIG=14600t3ni/**http%3A/au.rd.yahoo.com/mail/tagline/creativeholidays/*http%3A/au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/%3Fp1=other%26p2=au%26p3=mailtagline%0a]Enter now.[/url]. | Quote: | | http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution |
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msausen
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| Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 5:39 am Post subject: Tight Wing Attach Bolts |
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Sorry, I know better than to respond before my morning coffee. Everyone is correct, if this is not a final assembly get some other bolts for the temp fits. The close tolerance bolts lose their close tolerance if they go in and out a couple times.
Michael
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Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 8:57 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Tight Wing Attach Bolts
Since this is just a temporary installation to align the two spars, go to your local aviation supply’s(i.e. Home Depot, Lowes, Minard’s, etc) bolt dept and get some slightly undersized bolts. Leave the ones from Van’s for the final mounting on the wings.
Bob
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 6:51 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Tight Wing Attach Bolts
Throw the tight ones in the freezer overnight and give it a try again.
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Pulis
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 2:29 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Tight Wing Attach Bolts
Could anyone please tell me if they have experienced inconsistency amongst the wing attachment bolts?
I am up to Section 28 where you join the forward and mid fuselage assemblies together and I'm finding that some of the smaller spar attachment bolts are really tight, whilst others slip into the holes fine. All the bigger bolts are fine.
If anyone has a realistic solution could you please let me know as I'm loath to do anything that will upset the holes in the carry through spars.
Many thanks in anticipation.
Regards
Patrick Pulis
RV-10 #40299 VH-XPP
Adelaide, South Australia
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ricksked(at)embarqmail.co
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| Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 5:41 am Post subject: Tight Wing Attach Bolts |
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Use 4-1/2 by 3/8 bolts, cut the threads off and grind a pointy/rounded, polished edge. You will need these to do the wing install. The reason the bolts fit so tight is 1), they are close tolerance and 2) I don't think Vans took into consideration the thousandth of an inch the anodizing adds the the inside diameter of the bored hole in the spar.
I used the actual bolts to do the assembly. The hardware bolts are just a tad to small for my personal alignment toleramces. When you do the final install freezing the bolts and lubing only the shank portion of the bolt helps the install. It is almost impossible to get them aligned and installed without using the modified 3/8 bolts you made to align the holes.
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| Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 5:59 am Post subject: Re: Tight Wing Attach Bolts |
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I used 1/8 hardware store bolts inside of common automotive fuel tubing, along with some washers and wing nuts for assembly.
Fit perfectly in the smaller holes, held everything tight, kept the final assembly bolts virgin, and didn't mar the inside of the holes.
Everything aligned up perfectly when joining the fuselage sections together later.
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rene(at)felker.com
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| Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 6:11 am Post subject: Tight Wing Attach Bolts |
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One tip. When doing the final install, I had to tap the bolts in. I used a small piece of hard rubber and my rivet gun with a flat set. Low pressure…..tap tap tap. I started with a rubber mallet, but it is hard to swing. The only caution with the rivet gun is to keep the taps light….
Rene' Felker
RV-10 N423CF Flying
801-721-6080
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sked
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 7:41 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Tight Wing Attach Bolts
Use 4-1/2 by 3/8 bolts, cut the threads off and grind a pointy/rounded, polished edge. You will need these to do the wing install. The reason the bolts fit so tight is 1), they are close tolerance and 2) I don't think Vans took into consideration the thousandth of an inch the anodizing adds the the inside diameter of the bored hole in the spar.
I used the actual bolts to do the assembly. The hardware bolts are just a tad to small for my personal alignment toleramces. When you do the final install freezing the bolts and lubing only the shank portion of the bolt helps the install. It is almost impossible to get them aligned and installed without using the modified 3/8 bolts you made to align the holes.
Rick Sked
N246RS
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partner14
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| Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 4:53 pm Post subject: Tight Wing Attach Bolts |
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For the final install, it also doesn't hurt to take the heat gun to each hole prior to sticking the bolt in. Also, lube up the bolt a bit.
Don
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From: Rene Felker <rene(at)felker.com>
Subject: RE: Tight Wing Attach Bolts
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Friday, May 15, 2009, 7:09 AM
One tip. When doing the final install, I had to tap the bolts in. I used a small piece of hard rubber and my rivet gun with a flat set. Low pressure…..tap tap tap. I started with a rubber mallet, but it is hard to swing. The only caution with the rivet gun is to keep the taps light….
Rene' Felker
RV-10 N423CF Flying
801-721-6080
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sked
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 7:41 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Tight Wing Attach Bolts
Use 4-1/2 by 3/8 bolts, cut the threads off and grind a pointy/rounded, polished edge. You will need these to do the wing install. The reason the bolts fit so tight is 1), they are close tolerance and 2) I don't think Vans took into consideration the thousandth of an inch the anodizing adds the the inside diameter of the bored hole in the spar.
I used the actual bolts to do the assembly. The hardware bolts are just a tad to small for my personal alignment toleramces. When you do the final install freezing the bolts and lubing only the shank portion of the bolt helps the install. It is almost impossible to get them aligned and installed without using the modified 3/8 bolts you made to align the holes.
Rick Sked
N246RS
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| Posted: Sat May 16, 2009 4:26 am Post subject: Tight Wing Attach Bolts |
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G'day and many thanks for all the replies, you're all an inspiration and an invaluable resource, as per normal.
Regards and safe skies to you all.
Patrick Pulis
Adelaide, South Australia
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