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pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com
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Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 8:53 am Post subject: Older Pilots

call you 'Pleistocene Pilot' then?>>



Pleistocene?  Aint that the stuff kids made models from before they had Play 

Doh.



Pat



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Ed in JXN

Joined: 24 Mar 2006
Posts: 122

Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 2:07 pm Post subject: Older Pilots

Hi Jeff,



        Don't tell Chuck Yeager, or many of the ex-military contractors who 

do developmental test flying for the manufacturers and the military.  Maybe 

they didn't get your memo?



Ed in JXN

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Steven Green

Joined: 05 Feb 2006
Posts: 118

Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 3:04 pm Post subject: Older Pilots

When I took my check ride for my PPL in 1999 the examiner was 89 years old.

Last Spring I attended her "retirement" dinner at the Tennessee Aviation

Museum.  Her mind is still very sharp but she just doesn't get around now

like she did when she was just 90.  She announced at her "retirement" "not"

dinner that She was real pleased that the city of Morristown had renewed her

contract to manage the airport for another year.  If you are ever in NE

Tennessee stop by and see her at MOR.  She had around 58,000 hours when she

quit instructing.  Evelyn Johnson is her name.



Steven Green



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John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 4:49 pm Post subject: Older Pilots

She had around 58,000 hours when she

| quit instructing.  Evelyn Johnson is her name.

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| Steven Green



I'll place Miss Evelyn right up there along side my friend Ed Long. 

Ed died in his early 80's.  However, when Ed died, he has more flying 

hours than any other person on earth, 63,000 I believe.  Will have to 

go look it up.  NOTE:  Can not find any info on Ed Long and his 

record.  Far as I know, he still holds that record for most flight 

time.



Had the honor of flying in my MKIII with Ed Long.  He liked the way it 

flew, but did not like the seat.  Well, since that flight, I fixed the 

left seat to be a tad more comfortable.

john h



PS:  While I was searching for Ed Long's record, I did find that an 82 

year old man in Ireland solo'd a Robinson helicopter.  Now that is 

indicative of how old farts fall apart.  I sure this elderly gentleman 

is an exception.

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John Hauck
MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler
Titus, Alabama

a58r(at)verizon.net
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Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 7:14 pm Post subject: Older Pilots

Friend Steve,

I'm glad you met my friend Evelyn Johnson. We've corresponded for  

some years, and I've written about her in my monthly column. Traded  

books...her's is titled Mama Bird. Her Christmas card said she was  

quitting instructing. She'll be 96 I think in November. What a grand  

lady!

regards,

Bob N.

http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/

johnbowman

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 6
Location: baton rouge la

Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 11:23 am Post subject: older pilots

also perhaps relevant to this thread, would be the aviation life story of mr. 

clint mchenry.  those who favor younger pilots might find his history of 

interest.



john bowman, bldg avid+ flyer from airdale

prairieville la (near baton rouge)

ulflyer(at)verizon.net
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Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 8:25 pm Post subject: Older Pilots

Perhaps "we" should contact the author of the article to determine 

what data he based his comment upon.  A few dozen request might get 

his attention.

jerb

At 12:06 PM 3/24/2006, you wrote:

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To add to Ray's observation:  If it's true that older pilots have more

financial resources (which I suspect it is), then they probably have

more expensive (read higher performance) airplanes to fly.  "Higher

performance" would _seem_ to go along with "higher accident rates".  So

now we can look not just at accidents per hours flown but at hours flown

in type.

The key premise of the article, though, was that older pilots are

crashing in _disproportionate_ numbers.  I don't believe it's

disproportionate at all.  Older pilots are the biggest percentage of the

pilot population.  If they crash in exactly the numbers proportional to

their percentage of the pilot population, they'd have the most

accidents.  If they crash in _fewer_ numbers than is represented by

their percentage of the pilot population, maybe that's a function of

their experience and judgement.

In any case, these are some ways of looking at the problem - looking at

some data - rather than making blanket generalizations like Mr. Jet

Pilot seems to prefer.  Or am I being too "violent" here?  

As for Mr. Jet Pilot's concern with "recognizing a problem and comming

(sic) up with ways to minimize the effects", I believe that's being done

all the time.  That's why they let old guys fly fighters today whereas,

50 years ago, a 35-year-old was considered a little long in the tooth.

A 60-year-old today (or a 40- or a 50-, for that matter) isn't the same

"old guy" as was the case in, say, 1950.  Which is also, by the way, why

the Age 60 Rule has outlived its usefulness and is constantly being

challenged:  It ain't based on current research!

John Adamson

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 hours each group flies annually. Older pilots usually are 

 financially able to fly many more hours yearly because of more time 

 and money. Younger ones can't spend as much time or money as the 

 older. So any meaningful comparison should be based on accidents 

 per hours flown. I'd bet it would be about equal.

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 >>There's an article on page A15 in todays Desert Sun about "Older 

 Pilots are Crashing in Disproportionate Numbers." It's an AP feed 

 by Ryan Pearson, and, in my opinion, is badly biased and very 

 slanted. Makes me want badly to bloody his nose. Take a look in 

 your own local newspapers, or look at www.thedesertsun.com and 

 scroll way down to the "California" section, the 2nd bullet.

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 >>Larry Bourne

 >>Palm Springs, CA

 >>Building Kolb Mk III

 >>N78LB Vamoose

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 >It is a well known fact that pilots slow down and make more 

 mistakes as we get older. As people get older their minds slow down 

 and they are not as quick to react and cannot process information 

 as quickly as when they were young, which is critical to flying. 

 This is somewhat offset by experience, but not enough to balance 

 the equation. It is no suprise that older pilots have a higher 

 accident rate. That is why airline pilots have a mandatory 

 retirement age of 60.

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 responding with denial and violence instead of recognizing a 

 problem and comming up with ways to minimize the effects of this.

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Larry Cottrell

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 35
Location: Klamath Falls, Oregon

Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 8:44 pm Post subject: Older Pilots

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slyck(at)frontiernet.net
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Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 4:28 am Post subject: Older Pilots

We'll all beat him with our canes!

-BB  do not archive



On 26, Mar 2006, at 11:43 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote:



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n79rt(at)kilocharlie.us
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Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 5:37 am Post subject: Older Pilots

She had around 58,000 hours when she

| quit instructing.  Evelyn Johnson is her name.

|

| Steven Green



I'll place Miss Evelyn right up there along side my friend Ed Long. 

Ed died in his early 80's.  However, when Ed died, he has more flying 

hours than any other person on earth, 63,000 I believe.  Will have to 

go look it up.  NOTE:  Can not find any info on Ed Long and his 

record.  Far as I know, he still holds that record for most flight 

time.



Had the honor of flying in my MKIII with Ed Long.  He liked the way it 

flew, but did not like the seat.  Well, since that flight, I fixed the 

left seat to be a tad more comfortable.

john h



PS:  While I was searching for Ed Long's record, I did find that an 82 

year old man in Ireland solo'd a Robinson helicopter.  Now that is 

indicative of how old farts fall apart.  I sure this elderly gentleman 

is an exception.



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I'll bet you know this, but if you go into the FBO at MGM in Montgomery

you'll see a glass case that has all of Mr. Longs log books laid out

including the last one with the totals.  They sort of set up a memorial

to the fellow.  For those that don't know this fellow flew for the

regional power company (Alabama Power) and just got up every morning to

go fly the major powerlines to look for problems (trees, etc.) and also

everytime weather blew through the area, he'd be out buzzing through at

low level looking for what was keeping the lights out...



Jeremy Casey

John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 6:14 am Post subject: Older Pilots

| I'll bet you know this, but if you go into the FBO at MGM in 

Montgomery

| you'll see a glass case that has all of Mr. Longs log books laid out

| including the last one with the totals.

|

| Jeremy Casey



Thanks for the info, Jeremy.  I did not know about Ed's memorial.  I 

will make a special trip out there to look at them.



You are correct.  Ed flew power line patrol primarily.  Most of his 

time was low level on the wires.



A couple years before Ed died, he was presented an award from EAA at 

the flyin at Oshkosh.  He never looked for attention about the fact 

that he had more flight time than any other man.  He simply loved to 

fly.



About the time I was building my MKIII, 1991, I got a call from an 

individual interested in a Kolb.  We talked a long time.  His name was 

Ed Long.  He didn't even tell me he was a pilot.



Take care,



john h

MKIII



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Titus, Alabama

biglar

Joined: 14 Jan 2006
Posts: 457

Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 6:17 am Post subject: Older Pilots

You gotta promise not to let go.  He might hit back.              Shaky ol' 

Lar.                       Do not Archive.



Larry Bourne

Palm Springs, CA

Building Kolb Mk III

N78LB  Vamoose

www.gogittum.com



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