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europabill(at)bellsouth.n
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 Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 4:54 am Post subject: Europa Classic Exhaust system |
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I am looking for an exhaust system for a Classic Europa, new, used, or junk.
I contacted Europa to get ordering information and John replied saying they
have found it almost impossible for them to get one manufactured.
Anyone have any suggestions? Converting to an XS firewall forward at this
time would be costly.
Thanks,
Bill Henderson
A010 Monowheel Classic
(still building)
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rampil
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| Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 6:14 am Post subject: Re: Europa Classic Exhaust system |
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I would suggest going directly to their exhaust OEM manufacturer.
I have found them to be extremely helpful and responsive. They
do custom work all the time.
Find them at: http://www.cktengineering.com/aerospace_exhausts.php
Ira
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avgashead(at)btinternet.c
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| Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 10:22 am Post subject: Europa Classic Exhaust system |
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Hi Bill,
You can contact CKT (Chris Piper) although they are NOT the manufacturers
of the classic exhausts. CKT designed and developed the XS system. I know
Chris well and that they have shyed away from copying the classic system due
to it's inherent design flaws. Send them a mail or alternatively contact me
off forum.
Richard Scanlan
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christoph.both(at)acadiau
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| Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 10:40 am Post subject: Europa Classic Exhaust system |
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What were the inherent design flaws of the Classic Exhaust?
Christoph Both
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garrys(at)tampabay.rr.com
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| Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 11:10 am Post subject: Europa Classic Exhaust system |
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.........inherent design flaws in the Classic exhaust system? First I've
heard of that! What kind of flaws? Is this a safety issue? I wasn't aware
there was any difference between the Classic and XS exhaust systems.
Garry Stout
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europabill(at)bellsouth.n
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| Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 11:25 am Post subject: Europa Classic Exhaust system |
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Gary,
Yes, there's a big difference in the exhaust systems. The engine in the
classic is around 3" or so closer to the foot well than the XS so the
exhaust pipe has to go up and around before it goes down to the muffler. In
the XS there is clearance between the engine and footwell for the pipe to go
straight down to the muffler. The Classic muffler is also oval shaped and
only 3 1/2" tall. The XS is around 6". The exhaust pipes for the Classic
enter the muffler on the sides. On the XS the pipes enter on top of the
muffler at the front and rear.
I had a new XS exhaust that I planned to use, but just sold on Ebay as there
was no room between the engine and cowling for it to fit. Now I'm back to
square one.....
Bill
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avgashead(at)btinternet.c
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| Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 4:27 am Post subject: Europa Classic Exhaust system |
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OK, let me clarify.
CKT DID make the classic systems but I believe they just copied a system
already in existence and supplied to them by Europa. They only got to make
their design mark when they developed the XS system which is currently in
use in some eight other Rotax powered designs.
When I say design flaws I mean it is not considered to be a great piece of
work,(by CKT, not I) a little overweight maybe, but if you run a classic
this is what you are obliged to fit to the aeroplane. Also consider that an
exhaust, stainless or otherwise, is a consumable as is your car exhaust.
I have just spoken to CKT and they are happy to consider a small batch run
of maybe four to six systems, which can then be purchased from me. I have no
interest in making any money from this but will need to cover postage costs.
I'm Ok to do this if it serves the Europa community, especially those state
side. Chris said he will dig out the original drawings and come back with a
system price which I will post on the forum.
In the meantime can anybody who may be interested in a system please let me
know as I will have to let CKT know the amount of interest.
Richard Scanlan
#103 classic (fortunately with XS firewall forward)
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ami(at)mcfadyean.freeserv
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| Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 12:07 pm Post subject: Europa Classic Exhaust system |
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FYI, the original Classic exhaust was developed for Europa by Micron
Exhausts, one of the better motorbike aftermarket exhaust
designers/manufacturers in the UK.
The "flaw", if there was one, was unequal header lengths between back and
front cylinders. This is a feat that the CKT effort achieves too.
Also the weight as a consequence partly of the heavy gauge stainless used,
and the poor selection of material for the headers (mild steel).
It was however beautifully quiet, much quieter than the CKT, which itself
was not without early problems.
Duncan McF
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> ..........inherent design flaws in the Classic exhaust system? First
> I've heard of that! What kind of flaws? Is this a safety issue? I
> wasn't aware there was any difference between the Classic and XS exhaust
> systems.
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> Garry Stout
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