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Rical26
Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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 Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 5:03 am Post subject: 582 on floats question?? |
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HI, I'm looking to buy a kitfox 3 or 4 and wondering if a 582 will be
good enough on floats (with a passenger). I'm looking at Puddlejumpers
amphies floats, about 150LBS. Any comments and numbers would be appreciated!
Noel, I think you had a 582 with IVO IFA, was it good enough??
regards
Richard
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Float Flyr
Joined: 19 Jul 2006
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Location: Campbellton, Newfoundland
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| Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 6:08 am Post subject: 582 on floats question?? |
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I think the plane would have been good enough to carry two depending on
weight.
My plane has an MTOW of only 950lb and I've never gone over that weight.
Full tanks, myself, fishing and emerg gear comes out around 35 lb short of
that weight. The 582 has very high power to weight ratio the Ivo lets you
take advantage of all of it.
Just of the record with the ivo my initial ROC from sea level is above
1500ft/min. Tanks full. Climb to altitude under 3000 averages just over
100 ft/min. As far as I can make out I use around 4 gal/ hr cruising and
close to twice that doing T&Gs.
Noel
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Rical26
Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 11:44 am Post subject: 582 on floats question?? |
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Thanks Noel for your reply.Sorry, but what is ROC? Climb to altitude
under 3000' is only 100 ft/min with floats?
Richard
Noel wrote:
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I think the plane would have been good enough to carry two depending on
weight.
My plane has an MTOW of only 950lb and I've never gone over that weight.
Full tanks, myself, fishing and emerg gear comes out around 35 lb short of
that weight. The 582 has very high power to weight ratio the Ivo lets you
take advantage of all of it.
Just of the record with the ivo my initial ROC from sea level is above
1500ft/min. Tanks full. Climb to altitude under 3000 averages just over
100 ft/min. As far as I can make out I use around 4 gal/ hr cruising and
close to twice that doing T&Gs.
Noel
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Float Flyr
Joined: 19 Jul 2006
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Location: Campbellton, Newfoundland
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| Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 7:42 am Post subject: 582 on floats question?? |
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Rate of climb.. I also made a typo it was supposed to be just over
1000'/min... Flying with a 100 ft/min ROC isn't what I'd consider safe
unless you were out on the praries.
I also forgot to say my plane is one of the last model II to be built and
was wupposed to be upgraded to model III... It has the under cambered wings
and is less than 600 lb tare.
Noel
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akflyer
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Posts: 574
Location: Soldotna AK
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| Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 8:04 am Post subject: Re: 582 on floats question?? |
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you guys are getting some pretty darn good performance. My buddies KF II on wheels, 582 72" IVO IFA climbs about 1200 FPM and around 700 FPM on floats solo with 9 gallons in the nose tank, a little less if you fill the 12 gallon wing tank. My Avid with same engine and prop only gets about 900 FPM solo with 28 gallons.
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Float Flyr
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| Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 8:38 am Post subject: 582 on floats question?? |
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No speed... 75-80 on a good day. But with the Ivo IFA I do get rocket ship
climb at close to 900 lb.
I'm getting close to getting the 'Fox back in the air with the new 912.
Noel
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Lynn Matteson
Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan
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| Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 9:13 am Post subject: 582 on floats question?? |
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My sympathies, Noel. Just kidding. : )
Lynn Matteson
Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
Jabiru 2200, #2062, 682.9 hrs
Sensenich 62x46 Wood prop
Electroair direct-fire ignition system
Status: flying
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On Jun 23, 2009, at 3:08 PM, Noel wrote:
| Quote: | I'm getting close to getting the 'Fox back in the air with the new
912.
Noel
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Rical26
Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 3:23 am Post subject: 582 on floats question?? |
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Thank you so much Noel for your info..
I'm from Ottawa Ontario, Canada
Richard
Noel wrote:
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No speed... 75-80 on a good day. But with the Ivo IFA I do get rocket ship
climb at close to 900 lb.
I'm getting close to getting the 'Fox back in the air with the new 912.
Noel
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Ken Potter
Joined: 18 Aug 2007
Posts: 85
Location: Lanark, Ontario
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| Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 9:40 am Post subject: Re: 582 on floats question?? |
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Richard;
I'm in Lanark Village just west of Ottawa. There are several Kitfoxs in Eastern Ontario. My own Mk II is just nearing completion (582 c box). I have a set of Zenair floats which I have purchased as I plan to keep it at my cottage. Give me a call at 613 259-3242 if you want to chat or come up and take a look at the plane.
Cheers
Ken
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