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Strasnuts

Joined: 10 Feb 2009
Posts: 502
Location: Salt Lake City, UT

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:36 am Post subject: New garmin traffic system was announced

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=7176&Itemid=47

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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2882

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:23 am Post subject: New garmin traffic system was announced

Wow, it comes with the standard Garmin price tag to go

along with it!   Seems that the entry level system

wouldn't give the performance that the current Avidyne/Ryan

system would, but if you want to spend $20K, then you

could have quite a system.  Also, it sounds like it's

Active live the Avidyne, but enhanced by ADS-B.

So, does that mean that if you're in ADS-B coverage

already that the ADS-B position info would be superior?

Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD

do not archive

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Strasnuts

Joined: 10 Feb 2009
Posts: 502
Location: Salt Lake City, UT

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:47 am Post subject: Re: New garmin traffic system was announced

I think this system would be pretty nice.  9995.00 for the 12nm ring model 

that would work for RV-10 speeds.  I hate the price but the avidyne is 

around 8,000 to 9,000 anyway isn't it?  This one correlates both ADS-b and 

radar.

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40936
RV-10 SB N801VR Flying
780 Hours
SuperSTOL 60 hours

robin1(at)mrmoisture.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 11:12 am Post subject: New Garmin traffic system was announced

I have been looking at the GTS-800 for my G900X. I currently have TIS

Traffic which is fantastic where TIS is available. Unfortunately half of

my regular commute the TIS drops off  "Traffic No Longer Available" and

then you are on your own. Or as I call it "old school." 

When TIS is working it is a real comfort in the congested Los Angeles

basin where there can often be a dozen aircraft within a few miles of

you all going different directions at various altitudes and speeds. Most

of which you can't see. Helicopters seem to be the worst as they are low

and stationary. I am based where many of the heavy lift fire fighting

helicopters stage for fire & rescue (currently working the Station

Fire). Plus most all the local network news choppers so there is a lot

of roto activity.  The other night I was departing WHP after 8:00 pm,

the tower was closed so I was in communication via CTAF with a NEWS

chopper flying low. I could not see them visually but had them on the

"fish finder." Because we were in communication and he had sight of me I

was able to fly right over the top of him (+1,000') and I confirmed he

was at 2,000 MSL. He responded with a surprised affirmative. I knew this

because I was climbing through 3,000 and my PFD showed "-1.0, -1.1,

-1.2..." and his direction vector. 

When I visited Deems in mid-summer. Yes visiting Deems in AZ in

mid-summer. Duhhhhh. We were 8 miles out lining up for DVT with probably

7 other aircraft in the area. None were easily visible out the window

however I did see them on the display. It looked like herding cats as

they were all going different directions at different altitudes & speeds

but I could see as they all made their random turns for extended Left

Base entry to DVT. It was cool to see these random indications all line

up in front of me. With the visual verification I was able to easily

slide in with adequate spacing and set up for arrival. Nothing beats two

eyes out the window but Traffic is a wonderful additional tool to have

at your disposal. 



Robin

--

Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2882

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 12:13 pm Post subject: New Garmin traffic system was announced

I wonder though, I see that although this map is old

http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/ato/service_units/enroute/surveillance_broadcast/coverage/

that ADS-B coverage for Segment 1 covers your area pretty well.

You can get ADS-B for $1500-1700 for some systems, so with

that, would the $9000 price tag be worth it?  I was flying

between SLC and oregon over remote areas of Idaho a few

weeks ago and I was in ADS-B coverage. When near SLC I

was in Mode-S coverage.  So while I completely agree

that Active Traffic is great, the timeline for implementation

isn't that far out for some of this stuff and it can be

done today and be fairly cheap.  So it may fit the needs

of many.   But, I can't tell you what will interface

with the G900X.  It may well be that this new system

is your best choice simply because that's all that will

do the trick with your system.



One thing regardless, you're absolutely right that having

traffic is a big safety feature.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD

do not archive

Robin Marks wrote:

[quote] 

 

 I have been looking at the GTS-800 for my G900X. I currently have TIS

 Traffic which is fantastic where TIS is available. Unfortunately half of

 my regular commute the TIS drops off  "Traffic No Longer Available" and

 then you are on your own. Or as I call it "old school." 

 When TIS is working it is a real comfort in the congested Los Angeles

 basin where there can often be a dozen aircraft within a few miles of

 you all going different directions at various altitudes and speeds. Most

 of which you can't see. Helicopters seem to be the worst as they are low

 and stationary. I am based where many of the heavy lift fire fighting

 helicopters stage for fire & rescue (currently working the Station

 Fire). Plus most all the local network news choppers so there is a lot

 of roto activity.  The other night I was departing WHP after 8:00 pm,

 the tower was closed so I was in communication via CTAF with a NEWS

 chopper flying low. I could not see them visually but had them on the

 "fish finder." Because we were in communication and he had sight of me I

 was able to fly right over the top of him (+1,000') and I confirmed he

 was at 2,000 MSL. He responded with a surprised affirmative. I knew this

 because I was climbing through 3,000 and my PFD showed "-1.0, -1.1,

 -1.2..." and his direction vector. 

 When I visited Deems in mid-summer. Yes visiting Deems in AZ in

 mid-summer. Duhhhhh. We were 8 miles out lining up for DVT with probably

 7 other aircraft in the area. None were easily visible out the window

 however I did see them on the display. It looked like herding cats as

 they were all going different directions at different altitudes & speeds

 but I could see as they all made their random turns for extended Left

 Base entry to DVT. It was cool to see these random indications all line

 up in front of me. With the visual verification I was able to easily

 slide in with adequate spacing and set up for arrival. Nothing beats two

 eyes out the window but Traffic is a wonderful additional tool to have

 at your disposal. 

 

 Robin

 

 

 --

dave.saylor.aircrafters(a
Guest

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 1:47 pm Post subject: New Garmin traffic system was announced

Tim,



Can you fill us in a little on who is selling ADS-B for under $2K.  I would get that.



Oh, and...North Platte?  Really?



Dave



On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)> wrote:

 [quote]--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)>

  

 I wonder though, I see that although this map is old

 http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/ato/service_units/enroute/surveillance_broadcast/coverage/

  that ADS-B coverage for Segment 1 covers your area pretty well.

 You can get ADS-B for $1500-1700 for some systems, so with

 that, would the $9000 price tag be worth it?  I was flying

 between SLC and oregon over remote areas of Idaho a few

 weeks ago and I was in ADS-B coverage. When near SLC I

 was in Mode-S coverage.  So while I completely agree

 that Active Traffic is great, the timeline for implementation

 isn't that far out for some of this stuff and it can be

 done today and be fairly cheap.  So it may fit the needs

 of many.   But, I can't tell you what will interface

 with the G900X.  It may well be that this new system

 is your best choice simply because that's all that will

 do the trick with your system.

 

 One thing regardless, you're absolutely right that having

 traffic is a big safety feature.

 

 Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD

 do not archive

 

 

 Robin Marks wrote:

 [quote] --> RV10-List message posted by: "Robin Marks" <robin1(at)mrmoisture.com (robin1(at)mrmoisture.com)>

 

 I have been looking at the GTS-800 for my G900X. I currently have TIS

 Traffic which is fantastic where TIS is available. Unfortunately half of

 my regular commute the TIS drops off  "Traffic No Longer Available" and

 then you are on your own. Or as I call it "old school." When TIS is working it is a real comfort in the congested Los Angeles

 basin where there can often be a dozen aircraft within a few miles of

 you all going different directions at various altitudes and speeds. Most

 of which you can't see. Helicopters seem to be the worst as they are low

 and stationary. I am based where many of the heavy lift fire fighting

 helicopters stage for fire & rescue (currently working the Station

 Fire). Plus most all the local network news choppers so there is a lot

 of roto activity.  The other night I was departing WHP after 8:00 pm,

 the tower was closed so I was in communication via CTAF with a NEWS

 chopper flying low. I could not see them visually but had them on the

 "fish finder." Because we were in communication and he had sight of me I

 was able to fly right over the top of him (+1,000') and I confirmed he

 was at 2,000 MSL. He responded with a surprised affirmative. I knew this

 because I was climbing through 3,000 and my PFD showed "-1.0, -1.1,

 -1.2..." and his direction vector. When I visited Deems in mid-summer. Yes visiting Deems in AZ in

 mid-summer. Duhhhhh. We were 8 miles out lining up for DVT with probably

 7 other aircraft in the area. None were easily visible out the window

 however I did see them on the display. It looked like herding cats as

 they were all going different directions at different altitudes & speeds

 but I could see as they all made their random turns for extended Left

 Base entry to DVT. It was cool to see these random indications all line

 up in front of me. With the visual verification I was able to easily

 slide in with adequate spacing and set up for arrival. Nothing beats two

 eyes out the window but Traffic is a wonderful additional tool to have

 at your disposal. 

 Robin

 

 

 --

dlm46007(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:11 pm Post subject: New Garmin traffic system was announced

I think they are referring to www.navworx.com . My plan is to wait until  they get the $2500 version transceiver and interface to my Chelton  displays.

   From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave  Saylor

Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 2:04 PM

To:  rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: New Garmin traffic  system was announced

Tim,

Can you fill us in a little on who is selling ADS-B for  under $2K.  I would get that.

Oh, and...North Platte?   Really?

Dave

 On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)>  wrote:

 [quote]-->    RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)>

I wonder though, I see that    although this map is old

http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/ato/service_units/enroute/surveillance_broadcast/coverage/

that    ADS-B coverage for Segment 1 covers your area pretty well.

You can get    ADS-B for $1500-1700 for some systems, so with

that, would the $9000 price    tag be worth it?  I was flying

between SLC and oregon over remote    areas of Idaho a few

weeks ago and I was in ADS-B coverage. When near SLC    I

was in Mode-S coverage.  So while I completely agree

that Active    Traffic is great, the timeline for implementation

isn't that far out for    some of this stuff and it can be

done today and be fairly cheap.  So    it may fit the needs

of many.   But, I can't tell you what will    interface

with the G900X.  It may well be that this new system

is    your best choice simply because that's all that will

do the trick with your    system.

One thing regardless, you're absolutely right that    having

traffic is a big safety feature.

Tim Olson - RV-10    N104CD

do not archive

Robin Marks wrote:

   [quote]-->      RV10-List message posted by: "Robin Marks" <robin1(at)mrmoisture.com (robin1(at)mrmoisture.com)>

I have been looking at      the GTS-800 for my G900X. I currently have TIS

Traffic which is fantastic      where TIS is available. Unfortunately half of

my regular commute the TIS      drops off  "Traffic No Longer Available" and

then you are on your      own. Or as I call it "old school." When TIS is working it is a real comfort      in the congested Los Angeles

basin where there can often be a dozen      aircraft within a few miles of

you all going different directions at      various altitudes and speeds. Most

of which you can't see. Helicopters      seem to be the worst as they are low

and stationary. I am based where      many of the heavy lift fire fighting

helicopters stage for fire &      rescue (currently working the Station

Fire). Plus most all the local      network news choppers so there is a lot

of roto activity.  The other      night I was departing WHP after 8:00 pm,

the tower was closed so I was in      communication via CTAF with a NEWS

chopper flying low. I could not see      them visually but had them on the

"fish finder." Because we were in      communication and he had sight of me I

was able to fly right over the top      of him (+1,000') and I confirmed he

was at 2,000 MSL. He responded with a      surprised affirmative. I knew this

because I was climbing through 3,000      and my PFD showed "-1.0, -1.1,

-1.2..." and his direction vector. When I      visited Deems in mid-summer. Yes visiting Deems in AZ in

mid-summer.      Duhhhhh. We were 8 miles out lining up for DVT with probably

7 other      aircraft in the area. None were easily visible out the window

however I      did see them on the display. It looked like herding cats as

they were all      going different directions at different altitudes & speeds

but I      could see as they all made their random turns for extended Left

Base      entry to DVT. It was cool to see these random indications all line

up in      front of me. With the visual verification I was able to easily

slide in      with adequate spacing and set up for arrival. Nothing beats two

eyes out      the window but Traffic is a wonderful additional tool to have

at your      disposal. 

Robin

--

Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2882

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:11 pm Post subject: New Garmin traffic system was announced

I bought the NavWorx system for $1695, and it's 1495 without ARINC.

On my site I have a coulpe write ups but still need to get better screenshots and stuff.  They interface to lots of stuff including Garmin handhelds, and for mine they merge GTX 330 tis with ads-b, so other than active traffic which is of course the best, this takes advantage of the other systems.  I'm seeing more rural coverage than I expected this early on.

Tim





On Sep 3, 2009, at 4:03 PM, Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters(at)gmail.com (dave.saylor.aircrafters(at)gmail.com)> wrote:



[quote]Tim,



Can you fill us in a little on who is selling ADS-B for under $2K.  I would get that.



Oh, and...North Platte?  Really?



Dave



On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Tim Olson <[url=mailto:Tim(at)myrv10.com]Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)[/url]> wrote:

 [quote]--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <[url=mailto:Tim(at)myrv10.com]Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)[/url]>

  

 I wonder though, I see that although this map is old

 http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/ato/service_units/enroute/surveillance_broadcast/coverage/

  that ADS-B coverage for Segment 1 covers your area pretty well.

 You can get ADS-B for $1500-1700 for some systems, so with

 that, would the $9000 price tag be worth it?  I was flying

 between SLC and oregon over remote areas of Idaho a few

 weeks ago and I was in ADS-B coverage. When near SLC I

 was in Mode-S coverage.  So while I completely agree

 that Active Traffic is great, the timeline for implementation

 isn't that far out for some of this stuff and it can be

 done today and be fairly cheap.  So it may fit the needs

 of many.   But, I can't tell you what will interface

 with the G900X.  It may well be that this new system

 is your best choice simply because that's all that will

 do the trick with your system.

 

 One thing regardless, you're absolutely right that having

 traffic is a big safety feature.

 

 Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD

 do not archive

 

 

 Robin Marks wrote:

 [quote] --> RV10-List message posted by: "Robin Marks" <[url=mailto:robin1(at)mrmoisture.com]robin1(at)mrmoisture.com (robin1(at)mrmoisture.com)[/url]>

 

 I have been looking at the GTS-800 for my G900X. I currently have TIS

 Traffic which is fantastic where TIS is available. Unfortunately half of

 my regular commute the TIS drops off  "Traffic No Longer Available" and

 then you are on your own. Or as I call it "old school." When TIS is working it is a real comfort in the congested Los Angeles

 basin where there can often be a dozen aircraft within a few miles of

 you all going different directions at various altitudes and speeds. Most

 of which you can't see. Helicopters seem to be the worst as they are low

 and stationary. I am based where many of the heavy lift fire fighting

 helicopters stage for fire & rescue (currently working the Station

 Fire). Plus most all the local network news choppers so there is a lot

 of roto activity.  The other night I was departing WHP after 8:00 pm,

 the tower was closed so I was in communication via CTAF with a NEWS

 chopper flying low. I could not see them visually but had them on the

 "fish finder." Because we were in communication and he had sight of me I

 was able to fly right over the top of him (+1,000') and I confirmed he

 was at 2,000 MSL. He responded with a surprised affirmative. I knew this

 because I was climbing through 3,000 and my PFD showed "-1.0, -1.1,

 -1.2..." and his direction vector. When I visited Deems in mid-summer. Yes visiting Deems in AZ in

 mid-summer. Duhhhhh. We were 8 miles out lining up for DVT with probably

 7 other aircraft in the area. None were easily visible out the window

 however I did see them on the display. It looked like herding cats as

 they were all going different directions at different altitudes & speeds

 but I could see as they all made their random turns for extended Left

 Base entry to DVT. It was cool to see these random indications all line

 up in front of me. With the visual verification I was able to easily

 slide in with adequate spacing and set up for arrival. Nothing beats two

 eyes out the window but Traffic is a wonderful additional tool to have

 at your disposal. 

 Robin

 

 

 --

robin1(at)mrmoisture.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 5:06 pm Post subject: New Garmin traffic system was announced

I definitely need to investigate more (not my strong suit) but I did speak to Stein about the new Garmin and other than the benefit of near plug & play with the G900X there is either one or two antenna(s) vs. some systems with several more antenna and a lot of complicated wiring to install which may be difficult in an already assembled plane.  

Regardless you have to love the Experimental category.   

   

Robin  

       

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson

 Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 3:10 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: RV10-List: New Garmin traffic system was announced  

  

  

     

I bought the NavWorx system for $1695, and it's 1495 without ARINC.  

    

On my site I have a coulpe write ups but still need to get better screenshots and stuff.  They interface to lots of stuff including Garmin handhelds, and for mine they merge GTX 330 tis with ads-b, so other than active traffic which is of course the best, this takes advantage of the other systems.  I'm seeing more rural coverage than I expected this early on.  

    

Tim

 

   

    



 On Sep 3, 2009, at 4:03 PM, Dave Saylor <dave.saylor.aircrafters(at)gmail.com (dave.saylor.aircrafters(at)gmail.com)> wrote:  

  [quote]    

Tim,

 

 Can you fill us in a little on who is selling ADS-B for under $2K.  I would get that.

 

 Oh, and...North Platte?  Really?

 

 Dave    

On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)> wrote:  

--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)>

 

 I wonder though, I see that although this map is old

 http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/ato/service_units/enroute/surveillance_broadcast/coverage/

 that ADS-B coverage for Segment 1 covers your area pretty well.

 You can get ADS-B for $1500-1700 for some systems, so with

 that, would the $9000 price tag be worth it?  I was flying

 between SLC and oregon over remote areas of Idaho a few

 weeks ago and I was in ADS-B coverage. When near SLC I

 was in Mode-S coverage.  So while I completely agree

 that Active Traffic is great, the timeline for implementation

 isn't that far out for some of this stuff and it can be

 done today and be fairly cheap.  So it may fit the needs

 of many.   But, I can't tell you what will interface

 with the G900X.  It may well be that this new system

 is your best choice simply because that's all that will

 do the trick with your system.

 

 One thing regardless, you're absolutely right that having

 traffic is a big safety feature.

 

 Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD

 do not archive

 

 

 Robin Marks wrote:  

--> RV10-List message posted by: "Robin Marks" <robin1(at)mrmoisture.com (robin1(at)mrmoisture.com)>

 

 I have been looking at the GTS-800 for my G900X. I currently have TIS

 Traffic which is fantastic where TIS is available. Unfortunately half of

 my regular commute the TIS drops off  "Traffic No Longer Available" and

 then you are on your own. Or as I call it "old school." When TIS is working it is a real comfort in the congested Los Angeles

 basin where there can often be a dozen aircraft within a few miles of

 you all going different directions at various altitudes and speeds. Most

 of which you can't see. Helicopters seem to be the worst as they are low

 and stationary. I am based where many of the heavy lift fire fighting

 helicopters stage for fire & rescue (currently working the Station

 Fire). Plus most all the local network news choppers so there is a lot

 of roto activity.  The other night I was departing WHP after 8:00 pm,

 the tower was closed so I was in communication via CTAF with a NEWS

 chopper flying low. I could not see them visually but had them on the

 "fish finder." Because we were in communication and he had sight of me I

 was able to fly right over the top of him (+1,000') and I confirmed he

 was at 2,000 MSL. He responded with a surprised affirmative. I knew this

 because I was climbing through 3,000 and my PFD showed "-1.0, -1.1,

 -1.2..." and his direction vector. When I visited Deems in mid-summer. Yes visiting Deems in AZ in

 mid-summer. Duhhhhh. We were 8 miles out lining up for DVT with probably

 7 other aircraft in the area. None were easily visible out the window

 however I did see them on the display. It looked like herding cats as

 they were all going different directions at different altitudes & speeds

 but I could see as they all made their random turns for extended Left

 Base entry to DVT. It was cool to see these random indications all line

 up in front of me. With the visual verification I was able to easily

 slide in with adequate spacing and set up for arrival. Nothing beats two

 eyes out the window but Traffic is a wonderful additional tool to have

 at your disposal. 

 Robin

 

 

 --

billderou(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 12:10 pm Post subject: New Garmin traffic system was announced

Does anyone have system interface diagrams or other installation documentation for the navworx ads-b component? I get no answer from emails and the web site lacks about everything except how to buy one. 



Can anyone that has purchased this unit attest to their support or lack thereof?



Bill DeRouchey

N939SB

--- On Thu, 9/3/09, David McNeill <dlm46007(at)cox.net> wrote:

[quote]

From: David McNeill <dlm46007(at)cox.net>

Subject: RE: New Garmin traffic system was announced

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Thursday, September 3, 2009, 3:10 PM



    I think they are referring to www.navworx.com . My plan is to wait until  they get the $2500 version transceiver and interface to my Chelton  displays.



   From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave  Saylor

Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 2:04 PM

To:  rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: New Garmin traffic  system was announced

 

Tim,



Can you fill us in a little on who is selling ADS-B for  under $2K.  I would get that.



Oh, and...North Platte?   Really?



Dave



 On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Tim Olson <[url=/mc/compose?to=Tim(at)myrv10.com]Tim(at)myrv10.com[/url]>  wrote:

 [quote]-->    RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <[url=/mc/compose?to=Tim(at)myrv10.com]Tim(at)myrv10.com[/url]>



I wonder though, I see that    although this map is old

http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/ato/service_units/enroute/surveillance_broadcast/coverage/

that    ADS-B coverage for Segment 1 covers your area pretty well.

You can get    ADS-B for $1500-1700 for some systems, so with

that, would the $9000 price    tag be worth it?  I was flying

between SLC and oregon over remote    areas of Idaho a few

weeks ago and I was in ADS-B coverage. When near SLC    I

was in Mode-S coverage.  So while I completely agree

that Active    Traffic is great, the timeline for implementation

isn't that far out for    some of this stuff and it can be

done today and be fairly cheap.  So    it may fit the needs

of many.   But, I can't tell you what will    interface

with the G900X.  It may well be that this new system

is    your best choice simply because that's all that will

do the trick with your    system.



One thing regardless, you're absolutely right that    having

traffic is a big safety feature.



Tim Olson - RV-10    N104CD

do not archive

Robin Marks wrote:

   [quote]-->      RV10-List message posted by: "Robin Marks" <[url=/mc/compose?to=robin1(at)mrmoisture.com]robin1(at)mrmoisture.com[/url]>



I have been looking at      the GTS-800 for my G900X. I currently have TIS

Traffic which is fantastic      where TIS is available. Unfortunately half of

my regular commute the TIS      drops off  "Traffic No Longer Available" and

then you are on your      own. Or as I call it "old school." When TIS is working it is a real comfort      in the congested Los Angeles

basin where there can often be a dozen      aircraft within a few miles of

you all going different directions at      various altitudes and speeds. Most

of which you can't see. Helicopters      seem to be the worst as they are low

and stationary. I am based where      many of the heavy lift fire fighting

helicopters stage for fire &      rescue (currently working the Station

Fire). Plus most all the local      network news choppers so there is a lot

of roto activity.  The other      night I was departing WHP after 8:00 pm,

the tower was closed so I was in      communication via CTAF with a NEWS

chopper flying low. I could not see      them visually but had them on the

"fish finder." Because we were in      communication and he had sight of me I

was able to fly right over the top      of him (+1,000') and I confirmed he

was at 2,000 MSL. He responded with a      surprised affirmative. I knew this

because I was climbing through 3,000      and my PFD showed "-1.0, -1.1,

-1.2..." and his direction vector. When I      visited Deems in mid-summer. Yes visiting Deems in AZ in

mid-summer.      Duhhhhh. We were 8 miles out lining up for DVT with probably

7 other      aircraft in the area. None were easily visible out the window

however I      did see them on the display. It looked like herding cats as

they were all      going different directions at different altitudes & speeds

but I      could see as they all made their random turns for extended Left

Base      entry to DVT. It was cool to see these random indications all line

up in      front of me. With the visual verification I was able to easily

slide in      with adequate spacing and set up for arrival. Nothing beats two

eyes out      the window but Traffic is a wonderful additional tool to have

at your      disposal. 

Robin

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tomhanaway

Joined: 12 Aug 2006
Posts: 111
Location: Murphy, NC

Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 4:00 am Post subject: Re: New garmin traffic system was announced

I can speak to the Navworx install as I'm going through it now.  Bill Moffitt, their rep/owner? is tough to  reach so send him an email (address at their site).



Basically, two antennas (gps and uat-on the 10 I'm putting mine top and bottom on forward end of tailcone-rg400 antenna cable w/bnc connectors), encoder wire from EFIS or transponder, couple of wires to display (efis or x96).



He'll send you the full install instructions if you ask.  I'll be glad to send them if Bill M. says it's ok.



Incredibly easy install although definitely not flying yet.



The money spent on this was saved by getting the gtx327 instead of the  gtx330.  Of course, in Florida we have extensive ads-b coverage.

jesse(at)saintaviation.co
Guest

Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 5:14 am Post subject: New garmin traffic system was announced

I just helped someone install a Navworx box too.  As you said, fairly  

easy install.  We put it in the exact same place, it sounds like.  It  

was a little unclear, I thought, for hooking up to an AFS screen, but  

Bill helped us out.  In my experience Bill was easy to get ahold of.   

Every time I called he answered the phone.  It does seem a little  

archaic to have to use a terminal emulator to setup their box, but I  

guess there's no other way without a screen or a special program (like  

Dynon uses).  We have had some functionality issues, but are still  

troubleshooting.  Overall it seems like a great option instead of mode- 

S for those who live around good ADS-B coverage, like in FL or up and  

down the east coast.  Be aware, however, that AFS doesn't currently  

show weather and it's likely they won't for some time with all their  

efforts thrown towards their 4500 line.



Jesse Saint

Saint Aviation

jesse(at)saintaviation.com

352-427-0285



Sent from my iPhone



On Sep 6, 2009, at 8:00 AM, "tomhanaway" <tomhanaway(at)comcast.net> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   



 I can speak to the Navworx install as I'm going through it now.   

 Bill Moffitt, their rep/owner? is tough to  reach so send him an  

 email (address at their site).



 Basically, two antennas (gps and uat-on the 10 I'm putting mine top  

 and bottom on forward end of tailcone-rg400 antenna cable w/bnc  

 connectors), encoder wire from EFIS or transponder, couple of wires  

 to display (efis or x96).



 He'll send you the full install instructions if you ask.  I'll be  

 glad to send them if Bill M. says it's ok.



 Incredibly easy install although definitely not flying yet.



 The money spent on this was saved by getting the gtx327 instead of  

 the  gtx330.  Of course, in Florida we have extensive ads-b coverage.





 Read this topic online here:



 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 61711#261711

tomhanaway

Joined: 12 Aug 2006
Posts: 111
Location: Murphy, NC

Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 6:36 am Post subject: Re: New garmin traffic system was announced

Jesse's correct about no weather display from ads-b on AFS screen.  I'm doing AFS units and plan to run the weather from xm.  Either to 696 or efis depending on which looks better/is available. 

Tom H

johngoodman

Joined: 18 Sep 2006
Posts: 530
Location: GA

Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 4:54 pm Post subject: Re: New garmin traffic system was announced

I spoke to the NavWorx guys at Sun 'n fun, and got the impression that two antennas are required. I have gotten conflicting answers on where they need to be. I've heard one on top & one on bottom, and I've heard two on bottom. The shark fin is supposedly specified only because it can work in the upper "DME" range, but so can a lot of dipole "sticks."

I'd really like to see a flat-out answer.

John

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dlm46007(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 5:16 pm Post subject: New garmin traffic system was announced

The two antennas required I believe are the GPS and the fin DME/transponder

antenna My understanding was that the extra DME antenna was for top/bottom

coverage. As a former MRX user and Zaon XRX tester; I found that sometimes

the transponder antennas on the bottom of an aircraft prevented the system

from "seeing" the traffic



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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2882

Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 5:24 pm Post subject: New garmin traffic system was announced

John, it depends a little on what you do with your system, what

antennas are required and where you mount them.



First, you do definitely need a shark fin type Transponder/DME

blade on the belly.  This is for receiving the ADS-B Ground

station signal, and later if you add the transmitter board

it will be for transmitting your information to the stations.

I wouldn't choose any other antenna then a shark fin blade

because of the frequency requirements.



Next, many people will want to mount a GPS antenna somewhere

on the top.  On mine, since this one isn't critical for

navigation, I actually mounted mine under the very front of

my Vertical/Horizontal Stabilizer fiberglass fairing.  If it

were a navigational antenna that wouldn't have cut the mustard

for me, but for this use I'm fine with it.  Mounted there,

it makes the ideal location for mounting the avionics box

to be in the tail somewhere.



There also is the possibility of feeding in a GPS signal from

a properly configured and equipped panel mount GPS.  The

specs on what is required for a GPS signal are fairly

high, and most common handhelds and other GPS's won't meet

the needs.  I think the GNS480 does with the current new

software, and I'd hope that a 430W meets it too.  But, to

make it easier and not have to worry about integrating a

GPS and hoping it is wired right and works, I just did the

built-in GPS.



So those are the 2 antennas required.  It's not like

active traffic where you will want 1/2/4 antennas mounted

in various places for getting good signals from the other

aircraft...so it's a little simpler to install.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD



johngoodman wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net>

 

 I spoke to the NavWorx guys at Sun 'n fun, and got the impression

 that two antennas are required. I have gotten conflicting answers on

 where they need to be. I've heard one on top & one on bottom, and

 I've heard two on bottom. The shark fin is supposedly specified only

 because it can work in the upper "DME" range, but so can a lot of

 dipole "sticks." I'd really like to see a flat-out answer. John

 

 -------- #40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished. Finish Kit progressing.

 Engine &amp; Panel delivery soon. N711JG reserved

 

 

 

 

 Read this topic online here:

 

 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 61957#261957

Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2882

Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 6:08 pm Post subject: New garmin traffic system was announced

In this case, the transponder antennas aren't interrogating other

transponders.  They're just for ground stations, and there is

no "extra" DME antenna.  There are only 2 RF plug ports on the

box.....one for the GPS and one for the UAT.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD

do not archive

David McNeill wrote:

[quote] 

 

 The two antennas required I believe are the GPS and the fin DME/transponder

 antenna My understanding was that the extra DME antenna was for top/bottom

 coverage. As a former MRX user and Zaon XRX tester; I found that sometimes

 the transponder antennas on the bottom of an aircraft prevented the system

 from "seeing" the traffic

 

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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2882

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 5:16 am Post subject: New Garmin traffic system was announced

If anyone wants the install manual, contact me directly and I

can send it.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD

do not archive

Bill DeRouchey wrote:

[quote] Does anyone have system interface diagrams or other installation 

 documentation for the navworx ads-b component? I get no answer from 

 emails and the web site lacks about everything except how to buy one.

 

 Can anyone that has purchased this unit attest to their support or lack 

 thereof?

 

 Bill DeRouchey

 N939SB

 

 

 --- On *Thu, 9/3/09, David McNeill /<dlm46007(at)cox.net>/* wrote:

 

 

     From: David McNeill <dlm46007(at)cox.net>

     Subject: RE: New Garmin traffic system was announced

     To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

     Date: Thursday, September 3, 2009, 3:10 PM

 

     I think they are referring to www.navworx.com

     <http://www.navworx.com> . My plan is to wait until they get the

     $2500 version transceiver and interface to my Chelton displays.

 

     ------------------------------------------------------------------------

     *From:* owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com

     [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Dave Saylor

     *Sent:* Thursday, September 03, 2009 2:04 PM

     *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com

     *Subject:* Re: New Garmin traffic system was announced

 

     Tim,

 

     Can you fill us in a little on who is selling ADS-B for under $2K. 

     I would get that.

 

     Oh, and...North Platte?  Really?

 

     Dave

 

     On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com

     </mc/compose?to=Tim(at)myrv10.com>> wrote:

 

         

         </mc/compose?to=Tim(at)myrv10.com>>

 

         I wonder though, I see that although this map is old

         http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/ato/service_units/enroute/surveillance_broadcast/coverage/

         that ADS-B coverage for Segment 1 covers your area pretty well.

         You can get ADS-B for $1500-1700 for some systems, so with

         that, would the $9000 price tag be worth it?  I was flying

         between SLC and oregon over remote areas of Idaho a few

         weeks ago and I was in ADS-B coverage. When near SLC I

         was in Mode-S coverage.  So while I completely agree

         that Active Traffic is great, the timeline for implementation

         isn't that far out for some of this stuff and it can be

         done today and be fairly cheap.  So it may fit the needs

         of many.   But, I can't tell you what will interface

         with the G900X.  It may well be that this new system

         is your best choice simply because that's all that will

         do the trick with your system.

 

         One thing regardless, you're absolutely right that having

         traffic is a big safety feature.

 

         Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD

         do not archive

 

 

         Robin Marks wrote:

 

             

             <robin1(at)mrmoisture.com </mc/compose?to=robin1(at)mrmoisture.com>>

 

             I have been looking at the GTS-800 for my G900X. I currently

             have TIS

             Traffic which is fantastic where TIS is available.

             Unfortunately half of

             my regular commute the TIS drops off  "Traffic No Longer

             Available" and

             then you are on your own. Or as I call it "old school." When

             TIS is working it is a real comfort in the congested Los Angeles

             basin where there can often be a dozen aircraft within a few

             miles of

             you all going different directions at various altitudes and

             speeds. Most

             of which you can't see. Helicopters seem to be the worst as

             they are low

             and stationary. I am based where many of the heavy lift fire

             fighting

             helicopters stage for fire & rescue (currently working the

             Station

             Fire). Plus most all the local network news choppers so

             there is a lot

             of roto activity.  The other night I was departing WHP after

             8:00 pm,

             the tower was closed so I was in communication via CTAF with

             a NEWS

             chopper flying low. I could not see them visually but had

             them on the

             "fish finder." Because we were in communication and he had

             sight of me I

             was able to fly right over the top of him (+1,000') and I

             confirmed he

             was at 2,000 MSL. He responded with a surprised affirmative.

             I knew this

             because I was climbing through 3,000 and my PFD showed

             "-1.0, -1.1,

             -1.2..." and his direction vector. When I visited Deems in

             mid-summer. Yes visiting Deems in AZ in

             mid-summer. Duhhhhh. We were 8 miles out lining up for DVT

             with probably

             7 other aircraft in the area. None were easily visible out

             the window

             however I did see them on the display. It looked like

             herding cats as

             they were all going different directions at different

             altitudes & speeds

             but I could see as they all made their random turns for

             extended Left

             Base entry to DVT. It was cool to see these random

             indications all line

             up in front of me. With the visual verification I was able

             to easily

             slide in with adequate spacing and set up for arrival.

             Nothing beats two

             eyes out the window but Traffic is a wonderful additional

             tool to have

             at your disposal.

             Robin

 

 

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wcurtis(at)nerv10.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 7:56 am Post subject: New garmin traffic system was announced

The Navworx product is a UAT product and uses a frequency of 978 Mhz.  This is different than the frequency used by Mode C or S transponders (1090 Mhz).  There should be not "seeing" issue between UAT and the transponder antenna.

   

 Top antenna is GPS antenna and bottom antenna is UAT antenna to communicate with ground stations and other aircraft.

  

 William

 http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/

 On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 9:13 PM, David McNeill <dlm46007(at)cox.net (dlm46007(at)cox.net)> wrote:

 [quote]--> RV10-List message posted by: "David McNeill" <dlm46007(at)cox.net (dlm46007(at)cox.net)>

 

The two antennas required I believe are the GPS and the fin DME/transponder

antenna My understanding was that the extra DME antenna was for top/bottom

coverage. As a former MRX user and Zaon XRX tester; I found that sometimes

 the transponder antennas on the bottom of an aircraft prevented the system

from "seeing" the traffic

  

 

--

robin1(at)mrmoisture.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 9:59 am Post subject: New Garmin traffic system was announced

Garmin recently updated their public site to include photos of the GTS series modules and antenna including the underside of the dual blade antenna.  

https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?cID=270&pID=14664   

   

I have to say the images of the traffic on the site do not do the traffic system justice as the extreme zoom feature of the MFD allows you to really pick out individual targets of most concern.  

Robin  

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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Curtis

 Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 7:47 AM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Re: New garmin traffic system was announced  

  

     

The Navworx product is a UAT product and uses a frequency of 978 Mhz.  This is different than the frequency used by Mode C or S transponders (1090 Mhz).  There should be not "seeing" issue between UAT and the transponder antenna.  

    

   

    

Top antenna is GPS antenna and bottom antenna is UAT antenna to communicate with ground stations and other aircraft.  

    

   

    

William  

    

http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/  

    

On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 9:13 PM, David McNeill <dlm46007(at)cox.net (dlm46007(at)cox.net)> wrote:  

--> RV10-List message posted by: "David McNeill" <dlm46007(at)cox.net (dlm46007(at)cox.net)>

 

 The two antennas required I believe are the GPS and the fin DME/transponder

 antenna My understanding was that the extra DME antenna was for top/bottom

 coverage. As a former MRX user and Zaon XRX tester; I found that sometimes

 the transponder antennas on the bottom of an aircraft prevented the system

 from "seeing" the traffic      



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