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taildragon(at)msn.com
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Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 5:34 pm Post subject: Aileron Boots

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 Anyone using or planning on using aileron boots in their RV-10? Opinions  for or against?

  

 Roger

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Tim(at)MyRV10.com
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Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 7:41 pm Post subject: Aileron Boots

I have them from Abby at Flightline.  Don't know how necessary they are, 

but I figured they'd get rid of some drafts.  I sealed my fuselage up

fairly well, and if there were a draft, it would come up

through the hole where the stick comes out.  The aileron boots complete

the sealing to the wing area.



Tim



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Roger Standley wrote:

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 Anyone using or planning on using aileron boots in their RV-10? Opinions 

 for or against?

  

 Roger

 40291 - Fuselage

zackrv8

Joined: 14 Jan 2006
Posts: 133

Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 5:23 am Post subject: Re: Aileron Boots

Roger,



  If the RV10 is anything like the RV8, I would highly recommend installing the aileron booties.  I flew my RV8 initially without them (froze my a$$ off) and after installing them, noticed a huge improvement!  The air finds it way into the cockpit around the aileron tubes.  Maybe Tim can give us a report living up there in WI?



Joe

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Tim(at)MyRV10.com
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Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 7:06 am Post subject: Aileron Boots

I can't say that it made a difference, since I never flew it without

them.  What I can say is that I sealed the hole in the fuse down

by the landing gear on the belly at the corner of the skin,

and had the aileron boots installed and the firewall sealed well

to prevent CO issues, and it's very nice and tight.  The heater

ROCKS for those cold weather fliers, and built like mine, I

think there's no way to complain about the warmth in the plane.

I can't say what it would be like at 10 degrees with the open

holes though.



Tim



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zackrv8 wrote:

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 Roger,

 

 If the RV10 is anything like the RV8, I would highly recommend

 installing the aileron booties.  I flew my RV8 initially without them

 (froze my a$$ off) and after installing them, noticed a huge

 improvement!  The air finds it way into the cockpit around the

 aileron tubes.  Maybe Tim can give us a report living up there in WI?

 

 

 Joe

 

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 Read this topic online here:

 

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LarryRosen

Joined: 16 Jan 2006
Posts: 415
Location: Medford, NJ

Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 7:44 am Post subject: Aileron Boots

Tim, How did you seal the hole in the fuse that the landing gear protrudes?



Larry



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 .... What I can say is that I sealed the hole in the fuse down

 by the landing gear on the belly at the corner of the skin,.....

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Tim(at)MyRV10.com
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Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 8:18 am Post subject: Aileron Boots

I filled it with a gob of clear RTV and kind of smoothed it

to look halfway good.

Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

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Larry Rosen wrote:

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 Tim, How did you seal the hole in the fuse that the landing gear protrudes?

 

 Larry

 

> .... What I can say is that I sealed the hole in the fuse down

> by the landing gear on the belly at the corner of the skin,.....

rick.conti(at)boeing.com
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Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 12:39 pm Post subject: Aileron Boots

Who is Abby and Flightline?



Thank You

Rick Conti

office: 703-414-6141

   cell: 571-215-6134



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jim(at)CombsFive.Com
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Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 5:31 pm Post subject: Aileron Boots

Isn't there a chemical problem with off the shelf store RTV?  Did you use some special stuff?



Jim C

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Fuselage (Still slugging my way through)



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From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>

Date: 2006/03/30 Thu AM 11:16:21 EST

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Re: Aileron Boots






I filled it with a gob of clear RTV and kind of smoothed it

to look halfway good.

Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

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Larry Rosen wrote:

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 Tim, How did you seal the hole in the fuse that the landing gear protrudes?

 

 Larry

 

> .... What I can say is that I sealed the hole in the fuse down

> by the landing gear on the belly at the corner of the skin,.....

 

 

 

 

 

 


	




 

 

 



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Tim(at)MyRV10.com
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Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 7:59 pm Post subject: Aileron Boots

You're right that some flavors of RTV are acetic acid based or something

like that, and some aren't.  In general, the "sensor safe" ones should

have no effect for you.  The regular ones can be corrosive to aluminum.

I did call permatex though and ask them about the corrosive effects

and they told me that once its cured it would be no problem.  I used

the Van's recommended 26B red on some baffle parts....no problem, and

that's not the sensor safe stuff....it's actually my favorite.  On this

hole I used clear, which I'm sure is acid based, but not only was I 

applying it on a painted area, but even if it wasn't painted, I really

don't think there's much to worry about in most applications.  Take

some and squirt it on some scrap and look at it a month later.  You'll

see what I mean.  I'm sure it would look the same years later too, if

it cured well.

Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

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jim(at)CombsFive.Com wrote:

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 Isn't there a chemical problem with off the shelf store RTV?  Did you use some special stuff?

 Jim C

 #40192

 Fuselage (Still slugging my way through)

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 From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>

 Date: 2006/03/30 Thu AM 11:16:21 EST

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Re: Aileron Boots

 I filled it with a gob of clear RTV and kind of smoothed it

 to look halfway good.

 Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

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 Larry Rosen wrote:

> 

>

> Tim, How did you seal the hole in the fuse that the landing gear protrudes?

>

> Larry

>

>>

>> .... What I can say is that I sealed the hole in the fuse down

>> by the landing gear on the belly at the corner of the skin,.....

>>

>>

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LarryRosen

Joined: 16 Jan 2006
Posts: 415
Location: Medford, NJ

Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 8:37 pm Post subject: Aileron Boots

Just checked out the MSDS sheets for the permatex blue 6B and 26B  and 

both say "When this product is exposed to moisture acetic acid may be 

formed"  I assume that this is prior to drying.  But the red is 

recommended by vans and the blue is sensor safe.



Both the Ultra blue and the Ultra Copper (high temp) do not have acetic 

acid mentioned on their MSDS.



Link here 

<http://www.permatex.com/products/automotive/automotive_gasketing/gasket_makers.htm>



Larry

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LessDragProd(at)aol.com
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Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 9:15 pm Post subject: Aileron Boots

Do you have the MSDS sheets available for GE 109 RTV?  It is a silver  color.

  

 I use the following steps to get a finished surface to RTV.

 1.) Wash off the area where the RTV is going to be applied with soap and  water, then dry.

 2.) Tape off the area around where you are going to apply the RTV.

 3.) Apply the RTV and use something like a popsicle stick or tongue  depressor to scrape off the excess RTV.  This is the messy part, so have  something to put the excess RTV into, like a paper towel or cup.

 4.) Carefully remove the tape immediately, while the RTV is still  wet.

 5.) Use green soap, or liquid soap, on your finger to smooth out the RTV  bead into the area your sealing.  This should give the RTV surface a gloss  finish, feather the edge of the RTV onto the surfaces, and the soap on your  finger won't let the RTV stick to your finger.

  

 Regards,

 Jim Ayers

  

 In a message dated 03/30/2006 8:38:58 PM Pacific Standard Time,  LarryRosen(at)comcast.net writes:

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Just checked out the MSDS sheets for the    permatex blue 6B and 26B  and 

both say "When this product is exposed    to moisture acetic acid may be 

formed"  I assume that this is prior    to drying.  But the red is 

recommended by vans and the blue is sensor    safe.



Both the Ultra blue and the Ultra Copper (high temp) do not have    acetic 

acid mentioned on their MSDS.



Link here    

<http://www.permatex.com/products/automotive/automotive_gasketing/gasket_makers.htm>



Larry

johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com
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Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 10:52 pm Post subject: Aileron Boots

I checked our airline product stock and found the follow RTV products as

safe.  RTV Clear #108, RTV gray #157, RTV white #102, and RTV white

#162.  We also use 31, 103, 106, 109, 157, 159, 730 (solvent resistant)

and 738 (electrical sealant - white) but I haven't confirmed all of the

colors yet.



http://www.dowcorning.com/applications/product_finder/products.aspx



John - KUAO



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jim(at)CombsFive.Com
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Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 9:09 am Post subject: Aileron Boots

Tim, Larry, 



Great information, (as always)



Thanks, 



Jim C



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From: Larry Rosen <LarryRosen(at)comcast.net>

Date: 2006/03/30 Thu PM 11:34:06 EST

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Re: Aileron Boots






Just checked out the MSDS sheets for the permatex blue 6B and 26B  and 

both say "When this product is exposed to moisture acetic acid may be 

formed"  I assume that this is prior to drying.  But the red is 

recommended by vans and the blue is sensor safe.



Both the Ultra blue and the Ultra Copper (high temp) do not have acetic 

acid mentioned on their MSDS.



Link here 

<http://www.permatex.com/products/automotive/automotive_gasketing/gasket_makers.htm>



Larry

 

 

 



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Randy(at)abros.com
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Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 2:55 pm Post subject: Aileron Boots

I have never been cold in the RV10 but it may be the area I live in. In

Tim's town you may need them.  I have the AWI exhaust system and from

what I understand it puts out the most heat as well.  Randy 



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sschmidt(at)ussynthetic.c
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Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 4:09 pm Post subject: Aileron Boots

When I was at Aerocrafters in January I took a tour of the Lancair

facility and met with the engine builder there named Scott.  I asked him

what they use to seal up the engine and baffle and he said to use clear

silicon. I wrote down the name but was basically off the shelf silicon

from Home Depot.  He said he has been using it for years on all the new

Lancair's that go out there door with no problems.  He also said that

when you do your baffling make sure the aluminum is stress free.  If you

have to force it to a shape or it bends when you attach it with screws

it WILL crack and you will be replacing it.

 

Scott Schmidt



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