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woxofswa

Joined: 12 Aug 2008
Posts: 349
Location: AZ

Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 11:57 am Post subject: Riveting wing skin

I'm close to riveting my first QB wing skin. 



Is the consensus of the brain trust that it is easier to do flat on a table or upright in a stand?



Thanks in advance.

_________________
Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Flew May 10 2014

rv(at)thelefflers.com
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Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 12:25 pm Post subject: Riveting wing skin

I did mine upright in the wing stand.



Bob

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rene(at)felker.com
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Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 12:38 pm Post subject: Riveting wing skin

Did mine flat on the table.  Used two people. No problem.



Rene'

801-721-6080

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mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com
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Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 1:16 pm Post subject: Riveting wing skin

I did my wing upright, singlehanded. Â Worked well



-- Sent from my Palm PrÄ“



Bob Leffler wrote:



 

 

I did mine upright in the wing stand. 

 

Bob 

 

 

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john(at)trollingers.com
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Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 4:07 pm Post subject: Riveting wing skin

good luck getting a consensus here.. everyone has what works for them and that is different for everyone.Â  Try a way and see if it works well for you, if not, try another way.



John



On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Bill Watson <mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com (mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com)> wrote:

 [quote]I did my wing upright, singlehanded. Â Worked well



 -- Sent from my Palm PrÄ“



Bob Leffler wrote:



--> RV10-List message posted by: "Bob Leffler" <rv(at)thelefflers.com (rv(at)thelefflers.com)> 

 

I did mine upright in the wing stand. 

 

Bob 

 

 

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ricksked(at)embarqmail.co
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Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 4:39 pm Post subject: Riveting wing skin

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">   Oh that's helpful!!! "Good luck" WTF!!  I wasn't going to respond, but A-hole check intervention.  I did it solo on the wing stand....worked great... Take your time.....for those still building this is sure fun to fly...keep pounding...and wiring and painting. Etc., etc,.....Rick S.N246RSFlying

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From:  John Trollinger 

Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 20:07:03 -0400

To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: Re: RV10-List: Riveting wing skin

good luck getting a consensus here.. everyone has what works for them and t= hat is different for everyone.=C2=A0 Try a way and see if it works well for=  you, if not, try another way.

John

On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Bill Watson <mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> wro= te:

[quote]I did my wing upright, singlehanded. =C2=A0Worked well

<= span> -- Sent from my Palm Pr=C4=93

Bob Leffler wrote:

--> RV10-List me= ssage posted by: "Bob Leffler" <rv(at)thelefflers.com ([email]rv(at)theleffle= rs.com[/email])>

I did mine upright in the wing stand.

Bob

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nlewis(at)wildblue.net
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Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 5:04 pm Post subject: Riveting wing skin

jeez, Rick - could you tell me what primer I should use?



 On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 5:33 PM, <ricksked(at)embarqmail.com (ricksked(at)embarqmail.com)> wrote:

 [quote]Oh that's helpful!!! "Good luck" WTF!! I wasn't going to respond, but A-hole check intervention. I did it solo on the wing stand....worked great... Take your time....for those still building this is sure fun to fly...keep pounding...and wiring and painting. Etc., etc,.....

 

Rick S.

N246RS

Flying [b]

daveleikam(at)wi.rr.com
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Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 5:58 pm Post subject: Riveting wing skin

Upright in wing cradle.  One person.  See Deem's site for pictures of how to 

hold skins with safety wire.



Dave Leikam



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jesse(at)saintaviation.co
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Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 7:07 pm Post subject: Riveting wing skin

We like to do it with two people on a table.  As you can see, it's a  

split decision.



do not archive



Jesse Saint

Saint Aviation, Inc.

jesse(at)saintaviation.com

Cell: 352-427-0285

Fax: 815-377-3694



On Sep 20, 2009, at 3:57 PM, woxofswa wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   



 I'm close to riveting my first QB wing skin.



 Is the consensus of the brain trust that it is easier to do flat on  

 a table or upright in a stand?



 Thanks in advance.



 --------

 Myron Nelson

 Mesa, AZ

 Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress





 Read this topic online here:



 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 63994#263994

ricksked(at)embarqmail.co
Guest

Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 7:25 pm Post subject: Riveting wing skin

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">   Lol....Kill...brushed on!!!!    

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From:  Nate Lewis 

Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 18:04:13 -0700

To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: Re: RV10-List: Riveting wing skin

jeez, Rick - could you tell me what primer I should use?



On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 5:33 PM, <ricksked(at)embarqmail.com</= a>> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  Oh that's helpful!!! "G= ood luck" WTF!! I wasn't going to respond, but A-hole check interv= ention. I did it solo on the wing stand....worked great... Take your time..= ...for those still building this is sure fun to fly...keep pounding...and w= iring and painting. Etc., etc,.....



Rick S.

N246RS

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ricksked(at)embarqmail.co
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Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 7:43 pm Post subject: Riveting wing skin

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">   I meant Kilz.....fwiw doing the bottom skins is not easy but saying the group is wishy washy and not worthy of having good feedback about how to do it is BSJames McClow40195...I think

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From:  Nate Lewis 

Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 18:04:13 -0700

To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: Re: RV10-List: Riveting wing skin

jeez, Rick - could you tell me what primer I should use?



On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 5:33 PM, <ricksked(at)embarqmail.com</= a>> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  Oh that's helpful!!! "G= ood luck" WTF!! I wasn't going to respond, but A-hole check interv= ention. I did it solo on the wing stand....worked great... Take your time..= ...for those still building this is sure fun to fly...keep pounding...and w= iring and painting. Etc., etc,.....



Rick S.

N246RS

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woxofswa

Joined: 12 Aug 2008
Posts: 349
Location: AZ

Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 8:29 pm Post subject: Re: Riveting wing skin

Thanks for the input.  I didn't realize that I had breached "Ginger vs Mary Ann territory.    



For some silly reason I thought there would be a clear cut logic based reason for one particular way.  



Maybe I'll do one one way and the other the other and give a detailed pro/con for the next schmuck down the line.



On second thought, the safety wire in the stand sounds intriguing.



That's it.  I'm going to do it on the stand.  (unless I do it on the table).

_________________
Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Flew May 10 2014

AV8ORJWC

Joined: 13 Jul 2006
Posts: 1149
Location: Aurora, Oregon "Home of VANS"

Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 8:42 pm Post subject: Riveting wing skin

40191 but boy do I miss his Life Web Cam.



John Cox



From: ricksked(at)embarqmail.com

Sent: Sun 9/20/2009 8:22 PM

To: Rv

Subject: Re: Riveting wing skin

I meant Kilz.....fwiw doing the bottom skins is not easy but saying the group is wishy washy and not worthy of having good feedback about how to do it is BS



James McClow

40195...I think 

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From: Nate Lewis 

Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 18:04:13 -0700

To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: Re: Riveting wing skin



jeez, Rick - could you tell me what primer I should use?

On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 5:33 PM, <ricksked(at)embarqmail.com> wrote:



Oh that's helpful!!! "G= ood luck" WTF!! I wasn't going to respond, but A-hole check interv= ention. I did it solo on the wing stand....worked great... Take your time..= ...for those still building this is sure fun to fly...keep pounding...and w= iring and painting. Etc., etc,.....



Rick S.

N246RS

Flying 

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rbibb

Joined: 16 Jul 2009
Posts: 37

Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 3:41 am Post subject: Riveting wing skin

I haven't riveted skins on a -10 wing yet but on my RV-4 I did one in the

stand and one on a table.  I preferred the table as gravity held the rivets

in place before I got the gun on them and I avoided picking up all that fell

on the floor.



Also, there used to be a school of thought to slightly heat the skins before

final riveting so that, as they cooled post riveting, they would be tighter.

Not sure if that actually works but I did rivet one set of -4 wings

horizontal on saw horses outside in the sun and they turned out nice.  Had

to be careful not to get burned as the skins sure got warm in a hurry.



Since you are in Arizona you might not want to try that.



Obviously it turns out to be a personal preference and at least no one has

started a flame war on this one yet - skirmish perhaps but hardly classified

as a minor engagement let alone full hostilities.



Richard Bibb

972-771-2598

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Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:20 am Post subject: Riveting wing skin

Wow, did not mean to get you all riled up, I just was trying to let they guy know that there is not one approach to doing this.  I myself set it up right on the bench, but as you can see other people did it other ways.  I was trying to let the builder know that it is ok to try out different techniques and find out which worked best for them.  The one thing that is nice about this group is they all bring their unique way of solving a problem and give other builders options that they might not have thought of or tried.

   

 On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 8:33 PM,  <ricksked(at)embarqmail.com (ricksked(at)embarqmail.com)> wrote:

[quote]       Oh that's helpful!!! "Good luck" WTF!!  I wasn't going to respond, but A-hole check intervention.  I did it solo on the wing stand....worked great... Take your time.....for those still building this is sure fun to fly...keep pounding...and wiring and painting. Etc., etc,.....

    

Rick S.

N246RS

Flying

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From:  John Trollinger 

Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 20:07:03 -0400

To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)>

    

Subject: Re: Riveting wing skin

good luck getting a consensus here.. everyone has what works for them and t= hat is different for everyone.=C2=A0 Try a way and see if it works well for=  you, if not, try another way.

    

John



On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Bill Watson <mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> wro= te:

[quote]I did my wing upright, singlehanded. =C2=A0Worked well

    

<= span> -- Sent from my Palm Pr=C4=93



Bob Leffler wrote:



--> RV10-List me= ssage posted by: "Bob Leffler" <rv(at)thelefflers.com>



 I did mine upright in the wing stand.



Bob



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Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:22 am Post subject: Riveting wing skin

Acutally, I thought I discerned a pattern - on the bench for 2 people 

and upright for 1.  FWIW, I can't imagine how 1 person does it on the 

bench but I'm sure someone did.



Another thanks to Deems for the safety wire pics.  I forgot where I saw 

that but it worked like a charm.  Like so many jobs, it's very 

satisfying once it's done.



Note that you may need to file down the leading edge of the skin just a 

bit so that it clears the leading edge skins  when it's riveted on.



Bill



woxofswa wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   



 Thanks for the input.  I didn't realize that I had breached "Ginger vs Mary Ann territory.    



 For some silly reason I thought there would be a clear cut logic based reason for one particular way.  Maybe I'll do one one way and the other the other and give a detailed pro/con for the next schmuck down the line.



 On second thought, the safety wire in the stand sounds intriguing.



 That's it.  I'm going to do it on the stand.  (unless I do it on the table).



 --------

 Myron Nelson

 Mesa, AZ

 Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress





 Read this topic online here:



 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 64077#264077

rbibb

Joined: 16 Jul 2009
Posts: 37

Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 5:18 am Post subject: Riveting wing skin

Actually I was able to do my RV-4 wings by myself on the bench.  I have long

arms and was able to reach from the rear spar to the front to buck the row

of rivets where the skin attaches to the front spar.  It wasn't really all

that much of a stretch as I recall. I don't think the -10 wing will be all

that different in that regard.



Richard Bibb

972-771-2598

972-835-5979 mobile

 

 



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Kelly McMullen

Joined: 16 Apr 2008
Posts: 1188
Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 5:25 am Post subject: Riveting wing skin

I wish someone would summarize the old primer wars arguments(reader's

digest style, so to speak), just so that the newbies, and not so

newbies could decide which way to go, without a need to relight the

arguments, and whether those of us that didn't bother to research

could decide whether we need to give up our corroding parts carcass

and start over. )



On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 12:29 AM, woxofswa <woxof(at)aol.com> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   



 Thanks for the input.  I didn't realize that I had breached "Ginger vs Mary Ann territory.   



 For some silly reason I thought there would be a clear cut logic based reason for one particular way.  Maybe I'll do one one way and the other the other and give a detailed pro/con for the next schmuck down the line.



 On second thought, the safety wire in the stand sounds intriguing.



 That's it.  I'm going to do it on the stand.  (unless I do it on the table).



 --------

 Myron Nelson

 Mesa, AZ

 Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress





 Read this topic online here:



 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 64077#264077

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Kelly McMullen
A&P/IA, EAA Tech Counselor
KCHD

Bob Turner

Joined: 03 Jan 2009
Posts: 885
Location: Castro Valley, CA

Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 10:59 am Post subject: Re: Riveting wing skin

I did it laid down horizontally; one person, short arms.

Whatever works for you.

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Bob Turner
RV-10 QB

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