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Avoid using the Battery Tender on sealed aircraft batteries. It chewed up two Concorde’s in less than a year before I wised up (afterwards I also switched to the PC925). I would recommend going with a charger that was specifically designed for that type of battery:
 http://www.batteryminders.com/specials.php
Brian
RV-10 N104BS
Nashville, TN
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don McDonald
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 6:54 PM
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Subject: Re: Chargers
A very smart friend of mone turned me on to a charger called a "Battery Minder". Look it up online. Cost around $50. Not only trickle charges, but sends out pulses that keep sulfides from forming. The friends 210 has not replaced his battery in over 10 years... whereas before they seemed to last 3 or 4 years. I use them on cars stored, motorcycles, boats, and my plane.
Don McDonald
Plane parked.... on the boat......... wishing I was flying!
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Subject: Re: Chargers
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
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I leave my birds on the trickle charge almost all of the time ..... exception is when I'm in a hurry to lock up or just plain forget.
Linn
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gengrumpy(at)aol.com
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| Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 5:09 pm Post subject: Chargers |
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Been using Battery Tenders on my Odyssey 680s for several years now with no problems.
It was recommended in Aviation Consumer as well as Light Plane Maintenance.
grumpy
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On Sep 24, 2009, at 8:03 PM, Brian wrote:
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http://www.batteryminders.com/specials.php
Brian
RV-10 N104BS
Nashville, TN
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Don McDonald
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 6:54 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Chargers
A very smart friend of mone turned me on to a charger called a "Battery Minder". Look it up online. Cost around $50. Not only trickle charges, but sends out pulses that keep sulfides from forming. The friends 210 has not replaced his battery in over 10 years... whereas before they seemed to last 3 or 4 years. I use them on cars stored, motorcycles, boats, and my plane.
Don McDonald
Plane parked.... on the boat......... wishing I was flying!
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This is going to be the way I secure my charger to my battery. Only the best for my RV-10.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 10:44 pm Post subject: Chargers |
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Kinda reminded me of Aerosonic simulator last December when we went to talk to them.
Patrick Thyssen
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This is going to be the way I secure my charger to my battery. Only the best for my RV-10.
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msausen
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| Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 6:13 am Post subject: Chargers |
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That seems to be the truth behind the marketing fluff. The "special" Odyssey chargers are no different from a multipurpose charger with an AGM mode. The main thing being that the AGM's are charged at 14.6 volts optimally.
I also think that it's a must to have the desulphate capability to get the most life out of your battery, especially if you are regularly charging/discharging as in when you are playing with avionics. I would guess the Schumacher has it but can't tell for sure. Here's the link to the 12248:
http://www.batteryminders.com/batterycharger/catalog/BatteryMINDer-12-Volt-2-4-or-8-Amp-Charger-Maintainer-Desulf-p-16133.html
You can see the charging profiles under the "More Info" tab and in the instructions. There is a wealth of info in the instruction manual even if you don't use their chargers.
Michael
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msausen
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| Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 7:08 am Post subject: Chargers |
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It's a pretty easy mod to use a pair of 680's in the stock location. Several of us have done it and you can still use a single contactor if you want.
Michael
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| Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 7:59 am Post subject: Chargers |
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here's another alternative
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 7:18 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Chargers
It's a pretty easy mod to use a pair of 680's in the stock location. Several of us have done it and you can still use a single contactor if you want.
Michael
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| Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 8:34 am Post subject: Chargers |
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And other than lawyer-speak ..... does anyone have the faintest idea why
it's "Not for use with 12V aircraft battery.?????
Linn
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Tim Olson
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| Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 8:34 am Post subject: Chargers |
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I was checking the Schumacher manual today on the SC-1200A and
it does show that it has a desulphate mode. Doesn't look like
it's used as part of a normal charge cycle though. I'm not
totally sure of the details on it.
I did remember that the one that is often mentioned on Aeroelectric
is the one referred to in these 2 clippings from 2008 that i'll
repost:
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"Yeah, I saw those a couple of days ago at WallyWorld.
I've got one of the older versions and did extensive
testing that showed this little guy was about 2x
faster than the Battery-Minder/Battery-Tender wall-wart
crowd (0.8A versus 1.5A recharge) and equally as
"smart" with at less than 2/3 the price.
My favorite of the small guys.
Bob . . . "
"New number is SEM-1562A old # was WM-1562A"
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Tim
RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
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That seems to be the truth behind the marketing fluff. The "special"
Odyssey chargers are no different from a multipurpose charger with an
AGM mode. The main thing being that the AGM's are charged at 14.6
volts optimally.
I also think that it's a must to have the desulphate capability to
get the most life out of your battery, especially if you are
regularly charging/discharging as in when you are playing with
avionics. I would guess the Schumacher has it but can't tell for
sure. Here's the link to the 12248:
http://www.batteryminders.com/batterycharger/catalog/BatteryMINDer-12-Volt-2-4-or-8-Amp-Charger-Maintainer-Desulf-p-16133.html
You can see the charging profiles under the "More Info" tab and in
the instructions. There is a wealth of info in the instruction
manual even if you don't use their chargers.
Michael
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dlm46007(at)cox.net
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| Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 9:34 am Post subject: Chargers |
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Not TSOed or Certified? Seriously most of the sealed batteries used for
experimental aviation purposes are AGM. Also BM have one they call for
aviation purposes; price is about $140 versus $100 at northern tools. Same
12248 and same specs.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 9:40 am Post subject: Chargers |
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If using the BM 12248, each battery on board will have to be maintained separately, since it appears to need to sense the voltage of the battery. The easiest way it seems to do this is establish a DC receptacles that uses ring terminals across the battery posts. Then alternate as required different days/weeks to desulphate and maintain each on board battery. For those with constant draw items perhaps the charger should be left connected that battery. Receptacles are $7 each at Radio shack, DC plug also $7. The plug will have to be connected to the ring accessory cord that is included with the charger.
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msausen
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| Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 10:39 am Post subject: Chargers |
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Actually, the manual for that depicts how to connect it to multiple batteries at once. Shouldn’t be a problem. I believe the way ‘lectric Bob has explained it in the past is that the charger will sense the combined voltage but the resistance to charge will vary by the charge level so the battery needing the charge will take more than the battery with a full charge.
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 12:40 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Chargers
If using the BM 12248, each battery on board will have to be maintained separately, since it appears to need to sense the voltage of the battery. The easiest way it seems to do this is establish a DC receptacles that uses ring terminals across the battery posts. Then alternate as required different days/weeks to desulphate and maintain each on board battery. For those with constant draw items perhaps the charger should be left connected that battery. Receptacles are $7 each at Radio shack, DC plug also $7. The plug will have to be connected to the ring accessory cord that is included with the charger.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 11:12 am Post subject: Chargers |
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Multiple batteries at once are fine provided you don't want to leave the hook up in place and all connected to a single charge point. I have examined my twin 680 setup which is wired in parallel to use either or both in starting. If I wire them to the 12248 for multiple charge then the leads to the second battery must have diodes to prevent "charge leveling" when the charger is not connected ; hence the charger will not sense the voltage of the second battery when connected.
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 11:37 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Chargers
Actually, the manual for that depicts how to connect it to multiple batteries at once. Shouldn’t be a problem. I believe the way ‘lectric Bob has explained it in the past is that the charger will sense the combined voltage but the resistance to charge will vary by the charge level so the battery needing the charge will take more than the battery with a full charge.
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 12:40 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: Chargers
If using the BM 12248, each battery on board will have to be maintained separately, since it appears to need to sense the voltage of the battery. The easiest way it seems to do this is establish a DC receptacles that uses ring terminals across the battery posts. Then alternate as required different days/weeks to desulphate and maintain each on board battery. For those with constant draw items perhaps the charger should be left connected that battery. Receptacles are $7 each at Radio shack, DC plug also $7. The plug will have to be connected to the ring accessory cord that is included with the charger.
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robin1(at)mrmoisture.com
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| Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 12:11 pm Post subject: Chargers |
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Here is an alternative alternative…
http://www.painttheweb.com/rv-10/aeroxO2.htm
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The set up here is a primary battery that we ingeniously labeled #1 and a Back Up Battery labeled… you guessed it #2. Under power we only charge #1 and #2 receives a trickle charge from #1. On my panel I have two covered switches labeled Batt 1+2 & Batt 2(e). In general I use #1 exclusively for starting and all normal operations. In that case both toggles are in the off position and the Master/Batt pulls from Batt #1 exclusively. If it’s extra cold or I have goofed up and left the master on or drained #1 for any reason I can switch to Batt 1+2 to start the plane with both batteries or I can switch Batt 2(e) to start the plane with the second battery only. The Batt #2(e) is designated as the electrical source to drive the Essential Buss only in case of an emergency where I only need my Essential avionics (PFD, Comm 1, Nav 1, Cappuccino Machine, etc). Additionally there is a 3rd battery integrated in my backup Dynon 100 incase my Cappuccino Machine blows the entire electrical system. So far so good. I think we will rotate #1 & #2 every conditional inspection.
http://www.painttheweb.com/rv-10/avionics.htm
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Robin
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 8:57 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Chargers
here's another alternative
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 7:18 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Chargers
It's a pretty easy mod to use a pair of 680's in the stock location. Several of us have done it and you can still use a single contactor if you want.
Michael
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dlm46007(at)cox.net
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| Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 12:21 pm Post subject: chargers |
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I went to the Battery Minder manufacturer site and looked at the available tech manuals. There are about 4 aviation specific options for the battery models. These are idiot proof. The Odyssey specific model always uses the 8A option and battery type selection is fixed. Therefore making a mistake charging an Odyssey battery is not possible. Buy the 12248 standard model and press the correct buttons; its cheaper.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 12:22 pm Post subject: Chargers |
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Aviation consumer recommends the Battery Minder (VDC); not the Battery Tender (Deltran):
http://www.batteryminders.com/batterycharger/press_room/battery-chargers-vdc-wins-in-a-walk.pdf
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Miller John
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 8:09 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Chargers
Been using Battery Tenders on my Odyssey 680s for several years now with no problems.
It was recommended in Aviation Consumer as well as Light Plane Maintenance.
grumpy
N184JM
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On Sep 24, 2009, at 8:03 PM, Brian wrote:
Avoid using the Battery Tender on sealed aircraft batteries. It chewed up two Concorde’s in less than a year before I wised up (afterwards I also switched to the PC925). I would recommend going with a charger that was specifically designed for that type of battery:
http://www.batteryminders.com/specials.php
Brian
RV-10 N104BS
Nashville, TN
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Don McDonald
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 6:54 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Chargers
A very smart friend of mone turned me on to a charger called a "Battery Minder". Look it up online. Cost around $50. Not only trickle charges, but sends out pulses that keep sulfides from forming. The friends 210 has not replaced his battery in over 10 years... whereas before they seemed to last 3 or 4 years. I use them on cars stored, motorcycles, boats, and my plane.
Don McDonald
Plane parked.... on the boat......... wishing I was flying!
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Phil White
Joined: 10 Jan 2006
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Location: Downers Grove, IL
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| Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 8:42 pm Post subject: Re: Chargers |
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Schumacher chargers are automatic, have an AGM setting and de-sulfating. Their 12248 is also sold at Wal-Mart as model SC-1200A. I bought one today for $45. Less than half what I saw advertized on several web sites.
If you're using PC680's or other Odyssey models, this looks like the best option to keep them in great shape.
Phil
#40220 in Downers Grove, IL (finished cowl over 20B rotary)
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coop85(at)verizon.net
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| Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 1:41 pm Post subject: Chargers |
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The Wal-Mart version sounds like a really good way to go, however I can't
seem to verify that the SC-1200A is the same as the 12248. Besides looking
different, the 12248 includes a temperature sensor and the Wal-Mart version
does not appear to. Also, FWIW, on one website there was a huge qualifier
at the top of the page for the 12248 saying not for aviation batteries.
I have to admit I jumped in toward the end of the e-mail train on this so
sorry if I'm on covered ground. I'd sure like to get the cheaper version
but want to make sure it's legit.
Thanks,
Marcus
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dlm46007(at)cox.net
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| Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 2:13 pm Post subject: Chargers |
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The aviation use 12248 versions have fewer option/buttons. They are idiot
proof. If you can deal with the extra buttons you can save the bucks. Go to
the manufacturer site and read the PDFs. For example the Odyssey battery
charger does not allow you to select the type of battery; that is gone. Add
$40. I guess it will charge the "certified Odyssey 680" used on some Pipers.
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