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dugnaylor(at)hotmail.com
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Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 5:04 am Post subject: scenery flying/ greenhouse effect



Hi Guys,

Two quick questions:

#1 Really, how good is the Zodiac XL at relatively low and slow,

looking-at-the-ground-scenery type flying? i.e.-- is it pretty stable

flying at slow speeds (with some flaps), and how much can you really see

over the wings tightly strapped into those steeply reclined Lazy Boy-type

seats? I've had one short ride in the company's XL but it's hard to

remember the small details. --I'm trying to compare the Zodiac to a high

wing, semi-STOL design (Wittman Buttercup). I'm not interested in the 701

because of it's slow cruising speed.

#2 How hot can it get under that big bubble canopy in the summertime? Can

the little fresh air vents keep up with the sun rays?

Much Thanks,

Doug N.

japhillipsga(at)aol.com
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Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 8:49 am Post subject: scenery flying/ greenhouse effect



Doug, like any low wing vs high wing the ground view suffers. The trade off is safety in flight with the great view to the sides and above, etc. Whenever I want to see something below I just point one wing up and one down and look out the side and top. As to the Green House effect it is a real issue in summer and the venting on the ground is marginal, but this summer in Mid Georgia after take off and air could circulate it was not much of an issue. You do always have to wear a hat for sun though and my wife hates hats. Big hair woman. I would advise the larger air vent eyeballs. I plan to increase mine for more flow in the near future. Best regards, Bill N505WP 601XL-3300w/DC

David X

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 154
Location: Princeton, NJ, USA

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 8:57 am Post subject: Re: scenery flying/ greenhouse effect



Once in the air, the cabin cooling is not bad. On the taxiway, it can get really hot in the summer - same as a piper. There are little circular rotating scoops that you can install in the canopy to catch the prop wash when on the taxi.

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David X

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 154
Location: Princeton, NJ, USA

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 8:58 am Post subject: scenery flying/ greenhouse effect



Once in the air, the cabin cooling is not bad. On the taxiway, it can get really hot in the summer - same as a piper. There are little circular rotating scoops that you can install in the canopy to catch the prop wash when on the taxi.

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mfothergill(at)sympatico.
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Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 9:22 am Post subject: scenery flying/ greenhouse effect



Hi;

Install a 12 volt computer fan in the bulkhead at the back of the

baggage shelf to exhaust some of the hot air. Also helps to defog the

bubble in cold weather.

Mike

CH-601HDS

UHS Spinners

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dredmoody(at)cox.net
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Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 1:22 pm Post subject: scenery flying/ greenhouse effect



Most folks keep the canopy slightly open until just before takeoff in warm weather to get a little more air in the cockpit.

There is a gizmo I've seen in a friends RV7-A which is a retractable sunshade that works on a track mounted along the center line of the canopy with pressure sensitive adhesive. We slide it all the way back for full visibility and extend it forward as much as needed at cruise altitude. I'm going to that in my 601XL because Louisiana is way too close to the sun.

Ed

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Larry McFarland

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 36
Location: East Moline, Illinois

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 1:32 pm Post subject: Re: scenery flying/ greenhouse effect



Doug,

I'd stay with the low wing as visibility is excellent in the 601s. Last year I flew off the 40 hours and there were just a few days that reached mid 90s. So long as I wore a ball cap and sunglasses, things were mostly comfortable.

On a couple of days, I found myself overheated because of the intense humidity and I'd not been drinking enough water. The canopy does allow a lot of heat to be radiated in, so wear the hat and do spend some time putting vents in or below the panel that you can focus air toward your face. Try to fly a bit higher when it becomes unbearably warm to take in cooler air. It will really make a difference.

These links show my $2. vents and they work great.

http://www.macsmachine.com/images/largeassembly2/full/outletvent.gif

http://www.macsmachine.com/images/largeassembly2/full/freshairassy.gif

http://www.macsmachine.com/images/largeassembly2/full/NACAvent.gif

good luck,

Larry

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Larry McFarland

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 36
Location: East Moline, Illinois

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 1:35 pm Post subject: scenery flying/ greenhouse effect



Doug,

I'd stay with the low wing as visibility is excellent in the 601s. Last year I flew off the 40 hours and there were just a few days that reached mid 90s. So long as I wore a ball cap and sunglasses, things were mostly comfortable.

On a couple of days, I found myself overheated because of the intense humidity and I'd not been drinking enough water. The canopy does allow a lot of heat to be radiated in, so wear the hat and do spend some time putting vents in or below the panel that you can focus air toward your face. Try to fly a bit higher when it becomes unbearably warm to take in cooler air. It will really make a difference.

These links show my $2. vents and they work great.

http://www.macsmachine.com/images/largeassembly2/full/outletvent.gif

http://www.macsmachine.com/images/largeassembly2/full/freshairassy.gif

http://www.macsmachine.com/images/largeassembly2/full/NACAvent.gif

good luck,

Larry

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jim(at)pellien.com
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Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 2:06 pm Post subject: scenery flying/ greenhouse effect



Do you have a web URL where I could go and see what this gizmo looks like?

Jim

Jim Pellien

Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes

www.MASPL.com

703-313-4818

jim(at)sportsplanes.com

moorecomp(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 2:45 pm Post subject: scenery flying/ greenhouse effect



Jim,

http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1136932743-0-756&browse=airframe&product=koger-shade

Craig Moore

A&P

701 Builder wannabe

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dredmoody(at)cox.net
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Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 3:30 pm Post subject: scenery flying/ greenhouse effect



Yep, that's the device. Thanks for the info.

Ed

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Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 5:14 pm Post subject: scenery flying/ greenhouse effect



As an aside to this issue Plexiglas does not block any of the UV rays as

glass will. Last spring I found myself quite red after a four hour jaunt

through clear blue sky's. Now I pack sunscreen, especially in early spring.

I also installed a Koger sunshade on the canopy this last fall.

Dave 601-HD 912ULS

....... Last year I flew off the 40 hours and there were just a few days

that reached mid 90s. So long as I wore a ball cap and sunglasses, things

were mostly comfortable.

On a couple of days, I found myself overheated because of the intense

humidity and I'd not been drinking enough water. The canopy does allow a lot

of heat to be radiated in, so wear the hat and do spend some time putting

vents in or below the panel that you can focus air toward your face. Try to

fly a bit higher when it becomes unbearably warm to take in cooler air. It

will really make a difference.

rdewees(at)mindspring.com
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Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 7:19 pm Post subject: scenery flying/ greenhouse effect



I had the same problem flying last summer in my HDS and am "follicle

challenged" north of my ears so I was very sensitive to cutting down the

heat/UV/ and glare. I went to the local Pep Boy's parts store and paid

about $5 for a pair of sun screens that are attached with suction cups

on the corners. They are a black mesh of some sort and the frame is

wire. You just wad them up and they will fit in a small space as long

as you can confine them. You can look thru them easily and I would

estimate that the glare is cut by 30% or more. you can remove or

reposition them easily and throw them away after the hot season passes

if they are too dirty. I guess the dimensions are something like 8X14

inches and two of them cover a lot of the overhead canopy. Worked for me!

Ron

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As an aside to this issue Plexiglas does not block any of the UV rays as

glass will. Last spring I found myself quite red after a four hour jaunt

through clear blue sky's. Now I pack sunscreen, especially in early spring.

I also installed a Koger sunshade on the canopy this last fall.

Dave 601-HD 912ULS

........ Last year I flew off the 40 hours and there were just a few days

that reached mid 90s. So long as I wore a ball cap and sunglasses, things

were mostly comfortable.

On a couple of days, I found myself overheated because of the intense

humidity and I'd not been drinking enough water. The canopy does allow a lot

of heat to be radiated in, so wear the hat and do spend some time putting

vents in or below the panel that you can focus air toward your face. Try to

fly a bit higher when it becomes unbearably warm to take in cooler air. It

will really make a difference.

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jhstarn(at)verizon.net
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Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 9:03 pm Post subject: scenery flying/ greenhouse effect



Me too...but because I run the Young Eagles for my EAA Chapter and we also

encourage parents to fly with us, we refer to ourselves are the Apple Valley

Air Corps Bald Eagles. 8*). Hey it always breaks the ice & gets a laugh or

two. KABONG Do Not Archive. HRII N561FS approaching 300 hrs.

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am "follicle challenged"

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