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skyflyte(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 6:06 pm Post subject: kitfox 3

OOps, I haven't posted lately, but I live in S. Berwick, ME, and my Kitfox was born at the Hampton Airport in NH, a great grass airport with lots of antiques and homebuilts. 

Mike  



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hlang(at)bluewin.ch
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Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 5:07 am Post subject: kitfox 3

Agreed, I also have put Stolspeed on my KF, bottom of horiz. stabilo and

wings. 



Heinz 

KF 4-1200, R582LC

msm_9949(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 9:27 am Post subject: kitfox 3

Elevator authority is definitely an issue with the Model 2. Has anyone ever tried a larger elevator on the 2 and, if so, to what effect?

  

 Marco Menezes N99KX

 Model 2 582-90 C-Box 3:1 w/clutch



--- On Thu, 12/3/09, dave <dave(at)cfisher.com> wrote:



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From: dave <dave(at)cfisher.com>

Subject: Kitfox-List: Re: kitfox 3

To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 2:40 PM



 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dave" <dave(at)cfisher.com (dave(at)cfisher.com)>



I tried them I think an inch or two ahead of the hinge line  parallel to the hinges.  They did little for my IV .  I have found they help alot on super cubs.  The model 2 has less elevator effectiveness than a model IV so I would think they would see more benefit. 



I think you guys should post some videos of how much better they work.  I don't think a model 2 will be able to drag the tailwheel down the runway. My Model IV is marginal at doing it . 



VG's do seem to have a few attributes. I have had them on my IV Kitfox for over 1000 hours and I have not removed them yet.   I would like to alter some of the spacing and placement  but it flys so damn well  I just don't find it high on the  priorities.





[quote="Fox5flyer"]Mike, how far back from the leading edge did you  place them?  Did you place them horizontal to the hinge line or did you  follow the leading edge line?

Deke Morisse

Mikado Michigan

S5/Subaru/CAP  438+ TT

"If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara

Desert,  in five years there'd be a shortage of sand."

-- Nobel prize-winning  economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006)

  



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Pat Reilly

Joined: 06 Aug 2009
Posts: 345

Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 3:25 pm Post subject: kitfox 3

Marco, Have you got gap seals on that elevator? Hey guys, got my airworthy cert. today. The inspector noticed my flaperons aren't rigged properly. Right one doesn't go up as far as left one. I measured it there is a 10 degree difference. I'll have to adjust the rigging. I have to admit I haden't measured it. I put the bell crank level and hooked them up. I must have changed something when I replaced the bent push rod under the seat.

   

 Pat Reilly

 mod 3 582 Rebuild

 Rockford, IL

 On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:18 AM, Marco Menezes <msm_9949(at)yahoo.com (msm_9949(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:

 [quote]     Elevator authority is definitely an issue with the Model 2. Has anyone ever tried a larger elevator on the 2 and, if so, to what effect?

  

 Marco Menezes N99KX

 Model 2 582-90 C-Box 3:1 w/clutch



--- On Thu, 12/3/09, dave <dave(at)cfisher.com (dave(at)cfisher.com)> wrote:



  	  Quote: 	
		  

From: dave <dave(at)cfisher.com (dave(at)cfisher.com)>

Subject: Re: kitfox 3

 To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com (kitfox-list(at)matronics.com)

Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 2:40 PM



 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dave" <dave(at)cfisher.com>



I tried them I think an inch or two ahead of the hinge line  parallel to the hinges.  They did little for my IV .  I have found they help alot on super cubs.  The model 2 has less elevator effectiveness than a model IV so I would think they would see more benefit. 

 

I think you guys should post some videos of how much better they work.  I don't think a model 2 will be able to drag the tailwheel down the runway. My Model IV is marginal at doing it . 



VG's do seem to have a few attributes. I have had them on my IV Kitfox for over 1000 hours and I have not removed them yet.   I would like to alter some of the spacing and placement  but it flys so damn well  I just don't find it high on the priorities.

 



[quote="Fox5flyer"]Mike, how far back from the leading edge did you  place them?  Did you place them horizontal to the hinge line or did you  follow the leading edge line?

Deke Morisse

Mikado Michigan

 S5/Subaru/CAP  438+ TT

"If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara

Desert,  in five years there'd be a shortage of sand."

-- Nobel prize-winning  economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006)

   



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Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 6:13 pm Post subject: kitfox 3

I put the Speedster larger elevator on my Model 2  back in 1992 with great  results.                ron  N55KF

  



  From: Marco Menezes (msm_9949(at)yahoo.com) 

 Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 11:18 AM

 To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com (kitfox-list(at)matronics.com) 

 Subject: Re: Re: kitfox 3

 



                   Elevator authority is definitely an issue with the Model 2. Has        anyone ever tried a larger elevator on the 2 and, if so, to what        effect?

        

       Marco Menezes N99KX

       Model 2 582-90 C-Box 3:1 w/clutch



--- On Thu, 12/3/09, dave        <dave(at)cfisher.com (dave(at)cfisher.com)>        wrote:



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From:          dave <dave(at)cfisher.com (dave(at)cfisher.com)>

Subject:          Re: kitfox 3

To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com (kitfox-list(at)matronics.com)

Date:          Thursday, December 3, 2009, 2:40 PM



         --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dave" <dave(at)cfisher.com (dave(at)cfisher.com)>



I          tried them I think an inch or two ahead of the hinge line  parallel          to the hinges.  They did little for my IV .  I have found they          help alot on super cubs.  The model 2 has less elevator          effectiveness than a model IV so I would think they would see more          benefit. 



I think you guys should post some videos of how much          better they work.  I don't think a model 2 will be able to drag the          tailwheel down the runway. My Model IV is marginal at doing it .          



VG's do seem to have a few attributes. I have had them on my IV          Kitfox for over 1000 hours and I have not removed them          yet.   I would like to alter some of the spacing and          placement  but it flys so damn well  I just don't find it high          on the priorities.





[quote="Fox5flyer"]Mike, how far          back from the leading edge did you  place them?  Did you place          them horizontal to the hinge line or did you  follow the leading          edge line?

Deke Morisse

Mikado Michigan

S5/Subaru/CAP           438+ TT

"If you put the federal government in charge of the          Sahara

Desert,  in five years there'd be a shortage of          sand."

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Lynn Matteson

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Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 8:38 pm Post subject: kitfox 3

One of my flaperons goes further than the other, and I can guarantee  

you that mine are rigged according to the book....Model IV.  I can't  

see how they could possibly move the same when the bellcrank is set  

to 26° on one side and 32° on the other (as I recall the numbers).



If you set the bellcrank "level", that might be the problem, because  

as I recall it, aren't the flap control arms set to different angles?  

Maybe the Model 3 is different....



Congrats on the AC, Pat.



Lynn Matteson

Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger

Jabiru 2200, #2062, 818.9 hrs

Countdown to 1000 hrs~185 to go

Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop

Electroair direct-fire ignition system

Rotec TBI-40 injection

Status: flying (and learning)

On Dec 4, 2009, at 6:18 PM, Patrick Reilly wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   Marco, Have you got gap seals on that elevator? Hey guys, got my  

 airworthy cert. today. The inspector noticed my flaperons aren't  

 rigged properly. Right one doesn't go up as far as left one. I  

 measured it there is a 10 degree difference. I'll have to adjust  

 the rigging. I have to admit I haden't measured it. I put the bell  

 crank level and hooked them up. I must have changed something when  

 I replaced the bent push rod under the seat.



 Pat Reilly

 mod 3 582 Rebuild

 Rockford, IL



 On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:18 AM, Marco Menezes <msm_9949(at)yahoo.com>  

 wrote:

 Elevator authority is definitely an issue with the Model 2. Has  

 anyone ever tried a larger elevator on the 2 and, if so, to what  

 effect?



 Marco Menezes N99KX

 Model 2 582-90 C-Box 3:1 w/clutch



 --- On Thu, 12/3/09, dave <dave(at)cfisher.com> wrote:



 From: dave <dave(at)cfisher.com>

 Subject: Re: kitfox 3

 To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

 Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 2:40 PM



 



 I tried them I think an inch or two ahead of the hinge line   

 parallel to the hinges.  They did little for my IV .  I have found  

 they help alot on super cubs.  The model 2 has less elevator  

 effectiveness than a model IV so I would think they would see more  

 benefit.



 I think you guys should post some videos of how much better they  

 work.  I don't think a model 2 will be able to drag the tailwheel  

 down the runway. My Model IV is marginal at doing it .



 VG's do seem to have a few attributes. I have had them on my IV  

 Kitfox for over 1000 hours and I have not removed them yet.   I  

 would like to alter some of the spacing and placement  but it flys  

 so damn well  I just don't find it high on the priorities.





 [quote="Fox5flyer"]Mike, how far back from the leading edge did  

 you  place them?  Did you place them horizontal to the hinge line  

 or did you  follow the leading edge line?

 Deke Morisse

 Mikado Michigan

 S5/Subaru/CAP  438+ TT

 "If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara

 Desert,  in five years there'd be a shortage of sand."

 -- Nobel prize-winning  economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006)

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Pat Reilly

Joined: 06 Aug 2009
Posts: 345

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 9:37 am Post subject: kitfox 3

Hey KFer's I have the builders  manual for the Mod 3 but don't see flapperon rigging instructions. I have the mod 4 rigging instructions. Is the llapperon rigging the same. I thought I read that it was not. And, Lynn, I did set the flaperon bellcrank level so that is my problem if the 3 is rigged similar to the 4. My problem evolved because the pushrod from the forward bellcrank that runs under the seat had been damaged and the previous owner had built a new one. It wasn't installed and was too long with the flapperon central bellcrank level (which I assumed was correct). I sectioned about 1/2" out of it. Live and learn. I'll have to make a new push rod or extend this one back to original length.

   

 Pat Reilly

 



 

 On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 10:33 PM, Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt(at)jps.net (lynnmatt(at)jps.net)> wrote:

 [quote]--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt(at)jps.net (lynnmatt(at)jps.net)>

 

One of my flaperons goes further than the other, and I can guarantee you that mine are rigged according to the book....Model IV.  I can't see how they could possibly move the same when the bellcrank is set to 26° on one side and 32° on the other (as I recall the numbers).

 

If you set the bellcrank "level", that might be the problem, because as I recall it, aren't the flap control arms set to different angles? Maybe the Model 3 is different....



Congrats on the AC, Pat.

 

Lynn Matteson

Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger

Jabiru 2200, #2062, 818.9 hrs

Countdown to 1000 hrs~185 to go

Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop

Electroair direct-fire ignition system

Rotec TBI-40 injection

 Status: flying (and learning)

On Dec 4, 2009, at 6:18 PM, Patrick Reilly wrote:



 [quote]Marco, Have you got gap seals on that elevator? Hey guys, got my airworthy cert. today. The inspector noticed my flaperons aren't rigged properly. Right one doesn't go up as far as left one. I measured it there is a 10 degree difference. I'll have to adjust the rigging. I have to admit I haden't measured it. I put the bell crank level and hooked them up. I must have changed something when I replaced the bent push rod under the seat.

 

Pat Reilly

mod 3 582 Rebuild

Rockford, IL



On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:18 AM, Marco Menezes <msm_9949(at)yahoo.com (msm_9949(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:

Elevator authority is definitely an issue with the Model 2. Has anyone ever tried a larger elevator on the 2 and, if so, to what effect?

 

Marco Menezes N99KX

Model 2 582-90 C-Box 3:1 w/clutch



--- On Thu, 12/3/09, dave <dave(at)cfisher.com (dave(at)cfisher.com)> wrote:



From: dave <dave(at)cfisher.com (dave(at)cfisher.com)>

 Subject: Re: kitfox 3

To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com (kitfox-list(at)matronics.com)

Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 2:40 PM



--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dave" <dave(at)cfisher.com (dave(at)cfisher.com)>

 

I tried them I think an inch or two ahead of the hinge line  parallel to the hinges.  They did little for my IV .  I have found they help alot on super cubs.  The model 2 has less elevator effectiveness than a model IV so I would think they would see more benefit.

 

I think you guys should post some videos of how much better they work.  I don't think a model 2 will be able to drag the tailwheel down the runway. My Model IV is marginal at doing it .



VG's do seem to have a few attributes. I have had them on my IV Kitfox for over 1000 hours and I have not removed them yet.   I would like to alter some of the spacing and placement  but it flys so damn well  I just don't find it high on the priorities.

 



[quote="Fox5flyer"]Mike, how far back from the leading edge did you  place them?  Did you place them horizontal to the hinge line or did you  follow the leading edge line?

Deke Morisse

Mikado Michigan

 S5/Subaru/CAP  438+ TT

"If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara

Desert,  in five years there'd be a shortage of sand."

-- Nobel prize-winning  economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006)

 



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Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 11:09 am Post subject: kitfox 3

The mixer controls for the flaperons are completly different on the model 3 to 4.  The 1-3 used a setup like the Avid Flyer C the 4 is a all new design.  Take care C  Jim Chuk  Avids C Kitfox 4  Mn

  Date: Sat C 5 Dec 2009 11:31:40 -0600

Subject: Re: Re: kitfox 3

From: patreilly43(at)gmail.com

To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

 Hey KFer's I have the builders  manual for the Mod 3 but don't see flapperon rigging instructions. I have the mod 4 rigging instructions. Is the llapperon rigging the same. I thought I read that it was not. And C Lynn C I did set the flaperon bellcrank level so that is my problem if the 3 is rigged similar to the 4. My problem evolved because the pushrod from the forward bellcrank that runs under the seat had been damaged and the previous owner had built a new one. It wasn't installed and was too long with the flapperon central bellcrank level (which I assumed was correct). I sectioned about 1/2" out of it. Live and learn. I'll have to make a new push rod or extend this one back to original length.

 Pat Reilly

 On Fri C Dec 4 C 2009 at 10:33 PM C Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt(at)jps.net (lynnmatt(at)jps.net)> wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		  --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt(at)jps.net (lynnmatt(at)jps.net)>

One of my flaperons goes further than the other C and I can guarantee you that mine are rigged according to the book....Model IV.  I can't see how they could possibly move the same when the bellcrank is set to 26° on one side and 32° on the other (as I recall the numbers).

If you set the bellcrank "level" C that might be the problem C because as I recall it C aren't the flap control arms set to different angles? Maybe the Model 3 is different....

Congrats on the AC C Pat.

Lynn Matteson

Kitfox IV Speedster C taildragger

Jabiru 2200 C #2062 C 818.9 hrs

Countdown to 1000 hrs~185 to go

Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop

Electroair direct-fire ignition system

Rotec TBI-40 injection

Status: flying (and learning)

On Dec 4 C 2009 C at 6:18 PM C Patrick Reilly wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		  Marco C Have you got gap seals on that elevator? Hey guys C got my airworthy cert. today. The inspector noticed my flaperons aren't rigged properly. Right one doesn't go up as far as left one. I measured it there is a 10 degree difference. I'll have to adjust the rigging. I have to admit I haden't measured it. I put the bell crank level and hooked them up. I must have changed something when I replaced the bent push rod under the seat.

Pat Reilly

mod 3 582 Rebuild

Rockford C IL

On Fri C Dec 4 C 2009 at 11:18 AM C Marco Menezes <msm_9949(at)yahoo.com (msm_9949(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:

Elevator authority is definitely an issue with the Model 2. Has anyone ever tried a larger elevator on the 2 and C if so C to what effect?

Marco Menezes N99KX

Model 2 582-90 C-Box 3:1 w/clutch

--- On Thu C 12/3/09 C dave <dave(at)cfisher.com (dave(at)cfisher.com)> wrote:

From: dave <dave(at)cfisher.com (dave(at)cfisher.com)>

Subject: Re: kitfox 3

To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com (kitfox-list(at)matronics.com)

Date: Thursday C December 3 C 2009 C 2:40 PM

--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dave" <dave(at)cfisher.com (dave(at)cfisher.com)>

I tried them I think an inch or two ahead of the hinge line  parallel to the hinges.  They did little for my IV .  I have found they help alot on super cubs.  The model 2 has less elevator effectiveness than a model IV so I would think they would see more benefit.

I think you guys should post some videos of how much better they work.  I don't think a model 2 will be able to drag the tailwheel down the runway. My Model IV is marginal at doing it .

VG's do seem to have a few attributes. I have had them on my IV Kitfox for over 1000 hours and I have not removed them yet.   I would like to alter some of the spacing and placement  but it flys so damn well  I just don't find it high on the priorities.

[quote="Fox5flyer"]Mike C how far back from the leading edge did you  place them?  Did you place them horizontal to the hinge line or did you  follow the leading edge line?

Deke Morisse

Mikado Michigan

S5/Subaru/CAP  438+ TT

"If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara

Desert C  in five years there'd be a shortage of sand."

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Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 11:33 am Post subject: kitfox 3

Hi Pat-

I hope somebody can answer the question of whether the 3 and the 4  

are the same in regards to rigging....I sure can't. But the 4 is  

definitely rigged strangely. I just looked into my manual, and there  

are two bellcranks....a flap bellcrank and an aileron bellcrank,  

combined, and called the "Flap-Aileron Bellcrank assembly" in the 4  

manual. That is, in the "original" 4 manual. I built my plane using  

the original 4 manual, referring also to the Classic IV manual, which  

called for slightly different angles (12° as opposed to 11.4°) In  

frustration, I called Skystar and got it straightened out. They had  

changed the angle but the part numbers remained the same for the  

bellcranks, so it was a matter of them discovering something that led  

to the angle change, and not a part change. All this is to say that  

you'd better be finding rigging instruction for your *exact* model  

plane....maybe even down to the color of your exact plane....well,  

that may be stretching it, but you get the point.



And while you're at it, look at the angle that the flap control horn  

(I think  that's what it's called...some of my pages are at the  

hangar, not here) attaches to the control tube...the one that runs  

the length of the flaperon, inside the flaperon. On the left side,  

the control horn (on the 4, this is) hangs down at about a 10-15°  

angle, while the right side is pretty straight. It is because of this  

difference that the bellcrank  must be set to the 26° and 32° angles  

that I mentioned earlier, 26° being for the left side, according to  

my manual for the Model 4. I say all this just to give you something  

to think about while waiting for the "3 gang" to help you. If, in the  

meantime, you find these bellcranks and horn angles to be like I just  

described, then maybe the 3 and 4 are rigged similarly after all.



Lynn Matteson

Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger

Jabiru 2200, #2062, 819.7 hrs

Countdown to 1000 hrs~180 to go

Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop

Electroair direct-fire ignition system

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On Dec 5, 2009, at 12:31 PM, Patrick Reilly wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   Hey KFer's I have the builders  manual for the Mod 3 but don't see  

 flapperon rigging instructions. I have the mod 4 rigging  

 instructions. Is the llapperon rigging the same. I thought I read  

 that it was not. And, Lynn, I did set the flaperon bellcrank level  

 so that is my problem if the 3 is rigged similar to the 4. My  

 problem evolved because the pushrod from the forward bellcrank that  

 runs under the seat had been damaged and the previous owner had  

 built a new one. It wasn't installed and was too long with the  

 flapperon central bellcrank level (which I assumed was correct). I  

 sectioned about 1/2" out of it. Live and learn. I'll have to make a  

 new push rod or extend this one back to original length.



 Pat Reilly



 On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 10:33 PM, Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt(at)jps.net>  

 wrote:

 



 One of my flaperons goes further than the other, and I can  

 guarantee you that mine are rigged according to the book....Model  

 IV.  I can't see how they could possibly move the same when the  

 bellcrank is set to 26° on one side and 32° on the other (as I  

 recall the numbers).



 If you set the bellcrank "level", that might be the problem,  

 because as I recall it, aren't the flap control arms set to  

 different angles? Maybe the Model 3 is different....



 Congrats on the AC, Pat.



 Lynn Matteson

 Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger

 Jabiru 2200, #2062, 818.9 hrs

 Countdown to 1000 hrs~185 to go

 Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop

 Electroair direct-fire ignition system

 Rotec TBI-40 injection

 Status: flying (and learning)

 On Dec 4, 2009, at 6:18 PM, Patrick Reilly wrote:



 Marco, Have you got gap seals on that elevator? Hey guys, got my  

 airworthy cert. today. The inspector noticed my flaperons aren't  

 rigged properly. Right one doesn't go up as far as left one. I  

 measured it there is a 10 degree difference. I'll have to adjust  

 the rigging. I have to admit I haden't measured it. I put the bell  

 crank level and hooked them up. I must have changed something when  

 I replaced the bent push rod under the seat.



 Pat Reilly

 mod 3 582 Rebuild

 Rockford, IL



 On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:18 AM, Marco Menezes <msm_9949(at)yahoo.com>  

 wrote:

 Elevator authority is definitely an issue with the Model 2. Has  

 anyone ever tried a larger elevator on the 2 and, if so, to what  

 effect?



 Marco Menezes N99KX

 Model 2 582-90 C-Box 3:1 w/clutch



 --- On Thu, 12/3/09, dave <dave(at)cfisher.com> wrote:



 From: dave <dave(at)cfisher.com>

 Subject: Re: kitfox 3

 To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

 Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 2:40 PM



 



 I tried them I think an inch or two ahead of the hinge line   

 parallel to the hinges.  They did little for my IV .  I have found  

 they help alot on super cubs.  The model 2 has less elevator  

 effectiveness than a model IV so I would think they would see more  

 benefit.



 I think you guys should post some videos of how much better they  

 work.  I don't think a model 2 will be able to drag the tailwheel  

 down the runway. My Model IV is marginal at doing it .



 VG's do seem to have a few attributes. I have had them on my IV  

 Kitfox for over 1000 hours and I have not removed them yet.   I  

 would like to alter some of the spacing and placement  but it flys  

 so damn well  I just don't find it high on the priorities.





 [quote="Fox5flyer"]Mike, how far back from the leading edge did  

 you  place them?  Did you place them horizontal to the hinge line  

 or did you  follow the leading edge line?

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 Mikado Michigan

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Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 2:34 pm Post subject: kitfox 3

Lynn, Thanks for input. Jim Chuk says the mod 3 & 4 flapperon linkage are totally different. I thought I had heard that somewhere. My builders manual is at the hangar. I will look at it again, but I swear it didn't give detailed instructions as to rigging the flapperons. Mine was assembled when I got it except for the pushrod under the seats that I shortened by a 1/2". I'll have to pull the seat out and figure out what the hell is wrong. I bet if I lenghten that pushrod everything will line up.

   

 Pat Reilly

 Mod 3 582 Rebuild

 Rockford, IL

 On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt(at)jps.net (lynnmatt(at)jps.net)> wrote:

 [quote] --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt(at)jps.net (lynnmatt(at)jps.net)>

Hi Pat-

I hope somebody can answer the question of whether the 3 and the 4 are the same in regards to rigging....I sure can't. But the 4 is definitely rigged strangely. I just looked into my manual, and there are two bellcranks....a flap bellcrank and an aileron bellcrank, combined, and called the "Flap-Aileron Bellcrank assembly" in the 4 manual. That is, in the "original" 4 manual. I built my plane using the original 4 manual, referring also to the Classic IV manual, which called for slightly different angles (12° as opposed to 11.4°) In frustration, I called Skystar and got it straightened out. They had changed the angle but the part numbers remained the same for the bellcranks, so it was a matter of them discovering something that led to the angle change, and not a part change. All this is to say that you'd better be finding rigging instruction for your *exact* model plane....maybe even down to the color of your exact plane....well, that may be stretching it, but you get the point.

 

And while you're at it, look at the angle that the flap control horn (I think  that's what it's called...some of my pages are at the hangar, not here) attaches to the control tube...the one that runs the length of the flaperon, inside the flaperon. On the left side, the control horn (on the 4, this is) hangs down at about a 10-15° angle, while the right side is pretty straight. It is because of this difference that the bellcrank  must be set to the 26° and 32° angles that I mentioned earlier, 26° being for the left side, according to my manual for the Model 4. I say all this just to give you something to think about while waiting for the "3 gang" to help you. If, in the meantime, you find these bellcranks and horn angles to be like I just described, then maybe the 3 and 4 are rigged similarly after all.  



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Jabiru 2200, #2062, 819.7 hrs

Countdown to 1000 hrs~180 to go  

Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop

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 On Dec 5, 2009, at 12:31 PM, Patrick Reilly wrote:



  	  Quote: 	
		    

 Hey KFer's I have the builders  manual for the Mod 3 but don't see flapperon rigging instructions. I have the mod 4 rigging instructions. Is the llapperon rigging the same. I thought I read that it was not. And, Lynn, I did set the flaperon bellcrank level so that is my problem if the 3 is rigged similar to the 4. My problem evolved because the pushrod from the forward bellcrank that runs under the seat had been damaged and the previous owner had built a new one. It wasn't installed and was too long with the flapperon central bellcrank level (which I assumed was correct). I sectioned about 1/2" out of it. Live and learn. I'll have to make a new push rod or extend this one back to original length.

 

Pat Reilly



On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 10:33 PM, Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt(at)jps.net (lynnmatt(at)jps.net)> wrote:

--> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt(at)jps.net (lynnmatt(at)jps.net)>

 

One of my flaperons goes further than the other, and I can guarantee you that mine are rigged according to the book....Model IV.  I can't see how they could possibly move the same when the bellcrank is set to 26° on one side and 32° on the other (as I recall the numbers).

 

If you set the bellcrank "level", that might be the problem, because as I recall it, aren't the flap control arms set to different angles? Maybe the Model 3 is different....



Congrats on the AC, Pat.

 

Lynn Matteson

Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger

Jabiru 2200, #2062, 818.9 hrs

Countdown to 1000 hrs~185 to go

Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop

Electroair direct-fire ignition system

Rotec TBI-40 injection

 Status: flying (and learning)

On Dec 4, 2009, at 6:18 PM, Patrick Reilly wrote:



Marco, Have you got gap seals on that elevator? Hey guys, got my airworthy cert. today. The inspector noticed my flaperons aren't rigged properly. Right one doesn't go up as far as left one. I measured it there is a 10 degree difference. I'll have to adjust the rigging. I have to admit I haden't measured it. I put the bell crank level and hooked them up. I must have changed something when I replaced the bent push rod under the seat.

 

Pat Reilly

mod 3 582 Rebuild

Rockford, IL



On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:18 AM, Marco Menezes <msm_9949(at)yahoo.com (msm_9949(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:

Elevator authority is definitely an issue with the Model 2. Has anyone ever tried a larger elevator on the 2 and, if so, to what effect?

 

Marco Menezes N99KX

Model 2 582-90 C-Box 3:1 w/clutch



--- On Thu, 12/3/09, dave <dave(at)cfisher.com (dave(at)cfisher.com)> wrote:



From: dave <dave(at)cfisher.com (dave(at)cfisher.com)>

 Subject: Re: kitfox 3

To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com (kitfox-list(at)matronics.com)

Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 2:40 PM



--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "dave" <dave(at)cfisher.com (dave(at)cfisher.com)>

 

I tried them I think an inch or two ahead of the hinge line  parallel to the hinges.  They did little for my IV .  I have found they help alot on super cubs.  The model 2 has less elevator effectiveness than a model IV so I would think they would see more benefit.

 

I think you guys should post some videos of how much better they work.  I don't think a model 2 will be able to drag the tailwheel down the runway. My Model IV is marginal at doing it .



VG's do seem to have a few attributes. I have had them on my IV Kitfox for over 1000 hours and I have not removed them yet.   I would like to alter some of the spacing and placement  but it flys so damn well  I just don't find it high on the priorities.

 



[quote="Fox5flyer"]Mike, how far back from the leading edge did you  place them?  Did you place them horizontal to the hinge line or did you  follow the leading edge line?

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Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 3:01 pm Post subject: kitfox 3

I don't think that lengthening the pushrod will correct the 10°  

difference between the flaps/ailerons. That difference (to me) points  

to an error in setting the flaperons up initially. With the Model 4,  

they have you build two devices that clamp around the flaps, and  

establishes the neutral position, then the linkages are connected,  

and so each flap *starts* at a neutral setting. Further "upstream" of  

the flaps...that is, closer to the stick, and the stick itself is  

further neutralized, and the angles of the bellcrank arms are set to  

whatever angle the manual suggests.



Unless the Model 3 is WAY unlike the 4, the rigging should start with  

setting the fuselage to level...side-to-side, and fore-and-aft...then  

setting the stick to plumb (at least side-to-side plumb). I would  

think that this initial setting should be the same for both models,  

and then Lord knows where it goes from there, but I would also think  

that a neutral flap should also be part of the rigging.



Lynn Matteson

Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger

Jabiru 2200, #2062, 819.7 hrs

Countdown to 1000 hrs~180 to go

Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop

Electroair direct-fire ignition system

Rotec TBI-40 injection

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On Dec 5, 2009, at 5:29 PM, Patrick Reilly wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   Lynn, Thanks for input. Jim Chuk says the mod 3 & 4 flapperon  

 linkage are totally different. I thought I had heard that  

 somewhere. My builders manual is at the hangar. I will look at it  

 again, but I swear it didn't give detailed instructions as to  

 rigging the flapperons. Mine was assembled when I got it except for  

 the pushrod under the seats that I shortened by a 1/2". I'll have  

 to pull the seat out and figure out what the hell is wrong. I bet  

 if I lenghten that pushrod everything will line up.



 Pat Reilly

 Mod 3 582 Rebuild

 Rockford, IL

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kenjrichter

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Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 4:07 pm Post subject: Re: kitfox 3

I'm not sure if the flaperon problem has been solved yet but I do have the builders manual for my model 3 if this can be of any help  I do know the flaperon controls changed completely from the model 3 to 4 the model 4 was improved to differential control meaning the flaperon moving up moves more than the one moving down helping with the adverse yaw problem so I would think the rigging is much different.

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Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 4:27 pm Post subject: kitfox 3

Ken, Thanks for the info. Yes, I  the 3 & 4 model flapperon linkages are totally different. If you would look at your builders manual and see if it details the flapperon rigging, I would appreciate it. Mine is at the hangar. I looked at it and it only instructed you how to mount the flapperons. I couldn't find any rigging detail. I am the 4th owner, and that portion of the manual may have gotten misplaced along the way. Or maybe I'm just blind.

   

 Pat Reilly

 Mod 3 582 Rebuild

 Rockford, IL

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I'm not sure if the flaperon problem has been solved yet but I do have the builders manual for my model 3 if this can be of any help  I do know the flaperon controls changed completely from the model 3 to 4 the model 4 was improved to differential control meaning the flaperon moving up moves more than the one moving down helping with the adverse yaw problem so I would think the rigging is much different.

 

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Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 4:46 pm Post subject: kitfox 3

Hi Lynn and Pat.  I have a few pics of the mixers one a 3 and 4.  The blue is the 4 C the other is a bit hard to see C but I'm sure Pat will recognize it as looking like his.  The picture of the 4 is when I had it on the trailer bringing it home C and the 3 project is when I was putting it on ebay.  It had been in a trailering accident  (wing came loose and unfolded and hit a sign) before I bought it C and I never did a whole lot with it other than rob parts off it (like the engine) for my first Avid.  Take care C  Jim Chuk  Avids C Kitfox 4  Mn

 

 	  Quote: 	
		   From: lynnmatt(at)jps.net

 Subject: Re: Re: kitfox 3

 Date: Sat C 5 Dec 2009 17:56:24 -0500

 To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

 

 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt(at)jps.net>

 

 I don't think that lengthening the pushrod will correct the 10° 

 difference between the flaps/ailerons. That difference (to me) points 

 to an error in setting the flaperons up initially. With the Model 4 C 

 they have you build two devices that clamp around the flaps C and 

 establishes the neutral position C then the linkages are connected C 

 and so each flap *starts* at a neutral setting. Further "upstream" of 

 the flaps...that is C closer to the stick C and the stick itself is 

 further neutralized C and the angles of the bellcrank arms are set to 

 whatever angle the manual suggests.

 

 Unless the Model 3 is WAY unlike the 4 C the rigging should start with 

 setting the fuselage to level...side-to-side C and fore-and-aft...then 

 setting the stick to plumb (at least side-to-side plumb). I would 

 think that this initial setting should be the same for both models C 

 and then Lord knows where it goes from there C but I would also think 

 that a neutral flap should also be part of the rigging.

 

 Lynn Matteson

 Kitfox IV Speedster C taildragger

 Jabiru 2200 C #2062 C 819.7 hrs

 Countdown to 1000 hrs~180 to go

 Sensenich 62"x46" Wood prop

 Electroair direct-fire ignition system

 Rotec TBI-40 injection

 Status: flying (and learning)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 On Dec 5 C 2009 C at 5:29 PM C Patrick Reilly wrote:

 

 > Lynn C Thanks for input. Jim Chuk says the mod 3 & 4 flapperon 

 > linkage are totally different. I thought I had heard that 

 > somewhere. My builders manual is at the hangar. I will look at it 

 > again C but I swear it didn't give detailed instructions as to 

 > rigging the flapperons. Mine was assembled when I got it except for 

 > the pushrod under the seats that I shortened by a 1/2". I'll have 

 > to pull the seat out and figure out what the hell is wrong. I bet 

 > if I lenghten that pushrod everything will line up.

 >

 > Pat Reilly

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 > Rockford C IL

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Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 6:17 pm Post subject: kitfox 3

Jim, Thanks. Yes the yellow one is like mine.The 4 model is totally different design.

  

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 On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 6:34 PM, Jim_and_Lucy Chuk <thesupe(at)hotmail.com (thesupe(at)hotmail.com)> wrote:

 [quote] Hi Lynn and Pat.  I have a few pics of the mixers one a 3 and 4.  The blue is the 4, the other is a bit hard to see, but I'm sure Pat will recognize it as looking like his.  The picture of the 4 is when I had it on the trailer bringing it home, and the 3 project is when I was putting it on ebay.  It had been in a trailering accident  (wing came loose and unfolded and hit a sign) before I bought it, and I never did a whole lot with it other than rob parts off it (like the engine) for my first Avid.  Take care,  Jim Chuk  Avids, Kitfox 4  Mn

  

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 Subject: Re: Re: kitfox 3

 Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 17:56:24 -0500  

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 > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt(at)jps.net (lynnmatt(at)jps.net)>

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 I don't think that lengthening the pushrod will correct the 10° 

 > difference between the flaps/ailerons. That difference (to me) points 
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   to an error in setting the flaperons up initially. With the Model 4, 

 they have you build two devices that clamp around the flaps, and 

 > establishes the neutral position, then the linkages are connected, 
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   and so each flap *starts* at a neutral setting. Further "upstream" of 

 the flaps...that is, closer to the stick, and the stick itself is 

 > further neutralized, and the angles of the bellcrank arms are set to 
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   whatever angle the manual suggests.

 

 Unless the Model 3 is WAY unlike the 4, the rigging should start with 

 setting the fuselage to level...side-to-side, and fore-and-aft...then 

 > setting the stick to plumb (at least side-to-side plumb). I would 
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   think that this initial setting should be the same for both models, 

 and then Lord knows where it goes from there, but I would also think 

 > that a neutral flap should also be part of the rigging.
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   

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 Jabiru 2200, #2062, 819.7 hrs

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 On Dec 5, 2009, at 5:29 PM, Patrick Reilly wrote:

 > 
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   > Lynn, Thanks for input. Jim Chuk says the mod 3 & 4 flapperon 

 > linkage are totally different. I thought I had heard that 

 > somewhere. My builders manual is at the hangar. I will look at it 

 > > again, but I swear it didn't give detailed instructions as to 
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   > rigging the flapperons. Mine was assembled when I got it except for 

 > the pushrod under the seats that I shortened by a 1/2". I'll have 

 > > to pull the seat out and figure out what the hell is wrong. I bet 
	


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 >

 > Pat Reilly

 > Mod 3 582 Rebuild

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Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 7:22 pm Post subject: Re: kitfox 3

Pat, I looked through my manual and I do have some info on flaperon rigging on page cf-18 it shows (flaperon neutral position rigging details) this page doesn't say which model it is but the figure looks like a model 3 wing  and then on  page cf-n-1 it has flaperon rigging instructions but its says model 4 on that page so this probably won't help you,my manual has different model numbers throughout the book not sure why this is.

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Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 4:13 am Post subject: Re: kitfox 3

Pat the tube that runs under your seat will only chenge stick position  Left to right.  You will get less travel one way now possibly.



I think the Model 3 mixer is the same as the model 2 unless it has been retrofitted to the mod 4 upgrade. If you you will have aileron differential.   



Take some pics of what you got .



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Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 10:21 am Post subject: kitfox 3

Dave, Thanks for info. My linkage is definetly model 3. I will dig into it next week.

  

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Pat the tube that runs under your seat will only chenge stick position  Left to right.  You will get less travel one way now possibly.



I think the Model 3 mixer is the same as the model 2 unless it has been retrofitted to the mod 4 upgrade. If you you will have aileron differential.

 

Take some pics of what you got .



I have the model 2 and 4 manual her if you need them scanned or likely  Mc Bean does as well.



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Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 2:38 pm Post subject: kitfox 3

Ken, I was at the hangar today. I pulled out the seat, extended the pushrod under the seat by about 1/4" using the rod end adjustments. Low and behold full alieron left and right has only between 1 to 2 degrees of difference. They originally had 10 degrees difference. Seems close enough to me. I didn't look at the manual to see if I might have the pages you cited. I will.

   

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Pat, I looked through my manual and I do have some info on flaperon rigging on page cf-18 it shows (flaperon neutral position rigging details) this page doesn't say which model it is but the figure looks like a model 3 wing  and then on  page cf-n-1 it has flaperon rigging instructions but its says model 4 on that page so this probably won't help you,my manual has different model numbers throughout the book not sure why this is.

 

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Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 7:17 pm Post subject: Re: kitfox 3

Pat, I'm glad you got it figured out if for some reason you do need some info from my manual I can fax it or copy and mail it to you, I've never really checked mine for travel it seems the flaperons have so much more authority than standard ailerons that you would probably never use full travel anyway but its good to have it set up right, I'm waiting to fly my plane with the new leading edge installed I have it ready now I just need time and weather to fly.

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