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 Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 8:09 am Post subject: thermawing deicing |
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Anyone have any insight into this all electric deicing product?
http://www.rddent.com/products_therm-x.html
Started as a NASA funded project, already STC'd for Columbia. Looks like its made possible with a 100amp/75 volt alternator. Not sure if it is a single or dual amp system. Details are a bit sketchy. Cool, now I can install a big flat panel TV in the back seat.
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| Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 8:45 am Post subject: thermawing deicing |
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We've installed the complete system, less leading edges, on two (composite) planes. When they're finished, they'll be flown to RDD to have the leading edges installed. Unfortunately, there's no provision for using their alternator for anything but the de-ice system.
They're a good company to work with.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
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On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 8:09 AM, cjay <cgfinney(at)yahoo.com (cgfinney(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:
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Anyone have any insight into this all electric deicing product?
http://www.rddent.com/products_therm-x.html
Started as a NASA funded project, already STC'd for Columbia. Looks like its made possible with a 100amp/75 volt alternator. Not sure if it is a single or dual amp system. Details are a bit sketchy. Cool, now I can install a big flat panel TV in the back seat.
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| Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 9:09 am Post subject: thermawing deicing |
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I talked to them about a year ago as I was interested in flying out of the valley here in Oregon during the winter. However C it is not designed for known ice.
During the winter we will get a cloud deck at ~3 C000 C freezing level at 6 C000 and you need 12 C000 to head east from here. So it didn't fit my needs at the time. It is a neat system.
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We've installed the complete system C less leading edges C on two (composite) planes. When they're finished C they'll be flown to RDD to have the leading edges installed. Unfortunately C there's no provision for using their alternator for anything but the de-ice system.
They're a good company to work with.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville C CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
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Anyone have any insight into this all electric deicing product?
http://www.rddent.com/products_therm-x.html
Started as a NASA funded project C already STC'd for Columbia. Looks like its made possible with a 100amp/75 volt alternator. Not sure if it is a single or dual amp system. Details are a bit sketchy. Cool C now I can install a big flat panel TV in the back seat.
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| Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 12:13 pm Post subject: Re: thermawing deicing |
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| dave.saylor.aircrafters(a wrote: | We've installed the complete system, less leading edges, on two (composite) planes.� When they're finished, they'll be flown to RDD to have the leading edges installed.� Unfortunately, there's no provision for using their alternator for anything but the de-ice system.
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Dave,
Do they have an installation manual for the 10 yet? Would you put it in your 10?
As for the alternator, they probably don't want you to use it as a backup, but doubtful they could prevent it. Otherwise, it would be a grave waste of a potential redundancy when de-icing isn't needed, an attractive feature.
Is it a single alternator that produces 100 amps?
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| Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 4:49 pm Post subject: thermawing deicing |
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| Quote: | >Do they have an installation manual for the 10 yet?<<
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I'm not sure if the manual is out yet or not. Our installations weren't on 10s.
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No, too heavy for my personal philosophy, and there's an airspeed penalty 100% of the time from the cuffs (6 knots reported at Lancair speeds--YMMV). But then I'd pass on A/C and bunch of other heavy stuff. In Central CA we do see icing but it isn't as much of a factor as almost everywhere else. I wouldn't hesitate installing it for customers if they wanted it. No safety issues that I'm aware of.
One of our installations was on a IV-P, which is still lacking the cuffs. Another IV-P customer is considering it because he says that even a tiny bit of rime slows him down a lot more than 6 kts.
>>Is it a single alternator that produces 100 amps?<<
It's a single alternator that looks very similar to the 100A alternator that you would normally see on the front of a Continental. The pulley is the only difference I can see but I don't know about internals. I'm not sure how much it puts out.
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AirCrafters LLC
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| Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 5:42 pm Post subject: thermawing deicing |
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If I'm not mistaken, while it is a 100-Amp alternator, it is not 12 or 24V. I seem to remember hearing that it was higher voltage, which would mean you would have to use some kind of voltage converter or something like that to connect to your electrical system as a backup. Take that for what it's worth, but I seem to remember that it would not be useable in the aircraft's electrical system because of this.
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[quote]>>Do they have an installation manual for the 10 yet?<<
I'm not sure if the manual is out yet or not. Our installations weren't on 10s.
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No, too heavy for my personal philosophy, and there's an airspeed penalty 100% of the time from the cuffs (6 knots reported at Lancair speeds--YMMV). But then I'd pass on A/C and bunch of other heavy stuff. In Central CA we do see icing but it isn't as much of a factor as almost everywhere else. I wouldn't hesitate installing it for customers if they wanted it. No safety issues that I'm aware of.
One of our installations was on a IV-P, which is still lacking the cuffs. Another IV-P customer is considering it because he says that even a tiny bit of rime slows him down a lot more than 6 kts.
>>Is it a single alternator that produces 100 amps?<<
It's a single alternator that looks very similar to the 100A alternator that you would normally see on the front of a Continental. The pulley is the only difference I can see but I don't know about internals. I'm not sure how much it puts out.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
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