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dmaib(at)mac.com
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 Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 5:28 pm Post subject: Overhead console configuration |
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I went with the portable LED light velcroed in the baggage area and
it works great.
David Maib
40559
Flying
On Jan 6, 2010, at 7:49 PM, Pascal wrote:
| Quote: | The baggage light will have its own pair of switches.
1) Local in the baggage compartment to help during
loading/unloading.
2) Cockpit switch: So mom can crawl back there in flight and dig
through bags for diapers, bottles, and band-aids. 
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I spoke to a couple of flying RV-10 builders and they told me to get
a portable LED light that I can just velcro and use as needed as they
have used their baggage switch less than a hand full of time sin the
last 2 years. Just a thought on maybe an easier solution.
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From: "Perry, Phil" <Phil.Perry(at)netapp.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 12:35 PM
To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>
Subject: RE: Re: Overhead console configuration
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I really wanted the Aveo's but your experience has started to turn me
off. (... and save me money)
Now I'm leaning toward Stein's lights (2x) front, (2x) rear, 1(x)
baggage. I'm planning to us a off/on-dimmer in the front for each
light
and the same thing for the rear seats. That makes a total of four
off/on-dimmers for local control.
But, I'm also planning to install a master (read "Kiddie") switch for
the rear lights. So I can shut them off up front and don't have to
worry about a kid flipping on lights unless I want them to. If I
were a
kid, I'd do it just to make dad turn around and slap me... I know
how I
thought.
The baggage light will have its own pair of switches.
1) Local in the baggage compartment to help during
loading/unloading.
2) Cockpit switch: So mom can crawl back there in flight and dig
through bags for diapers, bottles, and band-aids.
Phil
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MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com
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| Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 6:17 pm Post subject: Overhead console configuration |
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Pascal wrote:
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> The baggage light will have its own pair of switches.
> 1) Local in the baggage compartment to help during
> loading/unloading.
> 2) Cockpit switch: So mom can crawl back there in flight and dig
> through bags for diapers, bottles, and band-aids.
I spoke to a couple of flying RV-10 builders and they told me to get a
portable LED light that I can just velcro and use as needed as they
have used their baggage switch less than a hand full of time sin the
last 2 years. Just a thought on maybe an easier solution.
I'm not a flying '10 builder yet, but I've come to similar conclusions.
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Cabin lights are cool but a realistic assessment of how much night
flying I will be doing (and how ofter all 4 seats will be filled when
doing so) leads me to a solution where I have the needed panel/map
lighting fully optimized for use. Cargo lights, dome lighting, backseat
lighting - battery powered, non-permanent mounting, cheap - all seem
like desirable things. Removes questions about battery buss versus
switched buss, breaker versus fuse, switch type, location, dead battery,
cost, etc
Reflecting on my own flying in the Maule:
Almost 50% of my flights over a 6 year period involved daylight takeoffs
and night landings. Most flights were with my 1 regular passenger who
liked to read or do her nails on half of those half night flights.
I have a white dome light and never use it.
On the relatively few instances where I had 3 or 2 or 3 passengers,
practically all flights were daylight. Exactly one flight involved a
full night TO and Landing with extra passengers over 10 years. I
consider night flying much more challenging and I consider extra
passengers challenging. I try not to do both at the same time. When I
do, I move real slow. I've never done a night time departure into low
IMC (but plenty of low IMC arrivals). Not sure that even my well
equipped '10 will tempt me into one of those, but we'll see. A friend
of mine took me (a distracting passenger) on a trip that included a low
IMC departure at night. I was deeply impressed with the extra diligence
he exercised. Thanks for the lesson Frogpond.
The best cockpit light I've used so far is a Ray-o-Vac headlamp with red
and white LEDs and an incandescent light (???). It all looks so
ridiculous with the headphones that I try to remove it before the line
guy gets to the plane, but it works really well.
Bill "it's too cold in the shop to work" Watson
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MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com
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| Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 6:32 pm Post subject: Overhead console configuration |
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I'm going to answer my own question regarding red and blue lights with this from the archives:
From: "jim berry" <jimberry(at)qwest.net> Date: Mar 24, 2007 | Quote: | | Tim Great info on your cockpit lighting and good timing as I am making those decisions now for my panel. I recently posed the question of red versus blue lighting to a friend who is an ophthalmologist, long time pilot with 6 planes ( C421, C185 on floats, C150, Pitts, Fuqua jet, Eclipse vlj on order. Must be tough staying current in all his toys.) Without getting into a discussion of photoreceptors and how the eye works, his response is "if you are primarily interested in seeing outside the cockpit go with red lights. If you are more concerned about reading maps, charts, etc in the cockpit go with blue lighting." He uses only blue. Jim Berry 40482 Finishing |
Bill Mauledriver Watson wrote: [quote]--> RV10-List message posted by: Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com> (MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com)
Has anyone used both red and blue lights enough to have a preference? I've flown with red but never with blue.
Bill
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Tim Olson
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| Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 6:43 pm Post subject: Overhead console configuration |
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But that doesn't really provide the answer to ehat YOU should do...because you may feel either way.  . I myself am primarily concerned with seeing outside...as I have to do that to land. So that conflicts with his having blue, in my case. I just need to make sure my red is adjusted so I can see switches. Blue wouldn't be bad, I'm sure, but my biggest goal is maintaining outside vision.
Tim
On Jan 6, 2010, at 8:38 PM, Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com (MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com)> wrote:
[quote] I'm going to answer my own question regarding red and blue lights with this from the archives:
From: "jim berry" <jimberry(at)qwest.net> Date: Mar 24, 2007 | Quote: | | Tim Great info on your cockpit lighting and good timing as I am making those decisions now for my panel. I recently posed the question of red versus blue lighting to a friend who is an ophthalmologist, long time pilot with 6 planes ( C421, C185 on floats, C150, Pitts, Fuqua jet, Eclipse vlj on order. Must be tough staying current in all his toys.) Without getting into a discussion of photoreceptors and how the eye works, his response is "if you are primarily interested in seeing outside the cockpit go with red lights. If you are more concerned about reading maps, charts, etc in the cockpit go with blue lighting." He uses only blue. Jim Berry 40482 Finishing |
Bill Mauledriver Watson wrote: | Quote: | --> RV10-List message posted by: Bill Mauledriver Watson <[url=mailto:MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com]MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com (MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com)>[/url]
Has anyone used both red and blue lights enough to have a preference? I've flown with red but never with blue.
Bill
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MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com
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| Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 7:00 pm Post subject: Overhead console configuration |
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Actually it did - I'm going red for the same reasons you stated.
Outside vision is the goal. My switches and screens are lit. Not being
able to see magenta stuff on the chart is tolerable though disconcerting
at times.
Description Unit price Qty Amount
LED Map / Cockpit Light, Red 12VDC
Item# MAPLIGHT-R-12 $44.50 USD 2 $89.00 USD
Hi Stein!
Tim Olson wrote:
| Quote: | But that doesn't really provide the answer to ehat YOU should
do...because you may feel either way. . I myself am primarily
concerned with seeing outside...as I have to do that to land. So that
conflicts with his having blue, in my case. I just need to make sure
my red is adjusted so I can see switches. Blue wouldn't be bad, I'm
sure, but my biggest goal is maintaining outside vision.
Tim
On Jan 6, 2010, at 8:38 PM, Bill Mauledriver Watson
<MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com <mailto:MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>> wrote:
> I'm going to answer my own question regarding red and blue lights
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> *From: * */"jim berry" <jimberry(at)qwest.net <http://qwest.net>>/*
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> *Tim Great info on your cockpit lighting and good timing as I am
> making those decisions now for my panel. I recently posed the
> question of red versus blue lighting to a friend who is an
> ophthalmologist, long time pilot with 6 planes ( C421, C185 on
> floats, C150, Pitts, Fuqua jet, Eclipse vlj on order. Must be
> tough staying current in all his toys.) Without getting into a
> discussion of photoreceptors and how the eye works, his response
> is "if you are primarily interested in seeing outside the cockpit
> go with red lights. If you are more concerned about reading maps,
> charts, etc in the cockpit go with blue lighting." He uses only
> blue. Jim Berry 40482 Finishing *
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> Bill Mauledriver Watson wrote:
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Phil.Perry(at)netapp.com
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| Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 7:44 pm Post subject: Overhead console configuration |
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Yeah, a reason to think about the color you use to label switches…… White lettering will show up much better in red than black lettering…
As I typed that, a new what-if question just popped into my head.Â
I wonder if we can get reflective ink? If we could get ink with reflective flakes in it, that opens a whole new world of opportunity.
Hmmmmmmmmmmm??
From: Tim Olson [mailto:Tim(at)myrv10.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 8:44 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Overhead console configuration
But that doesn't really provide the answer to ehat YOU should do...because you may feel either way. . I myself am primarily concerned with seeing outside...as I have to do that to land. So that conflicts with his having blue, in my case. I just need to make sure my red is adjusted so I can see switches. Blue wouldn't be bad, I'm sure, but my biggest goal is maintaining outside vision.
Tim
On Jan 6, 2010, at 8:38 PM, Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com (MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com)> wrote:
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I'm going to answer my own question regarding red and blue lights with this from the archives:
From:
"jim berry" <jimberry(at)qwest.net>
Date:
Mar 24, 2007 | Quote: |
Tim Great info on your cockpit lighting and good timing as I am making those decisions now for my panel. I recently posed the question of red versus blue lighting to a friend who is an ophthalmologist, long time pilot with 6 planes ( C421, C185 on floats, C150, Pitts, Fuqua jet, Eclipse vlj on order. Must be tough staying current in all his toys.) Without getting into a discussion of photoreceptors and how the eye works, his response is "if you are primarily interested in seeing outside the cockpit go with red lights. If you are more concerned about reading maps, charts, etc in the cockpit go with blue lighting." He uses only blue. Jim Berry 40482 Finishing |
Bill Mauledriver Watson wrote:
--> RV10-List message posted by: Bill Mauledriver Watson < (MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com)MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com (MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com)>
Has anyone used both red and blue lights enough to have a preference? I've flown with red but never with blue.
Bill
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Jim Berry
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| Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 8:39 pm Post subject: Re: Overhead console configuration |
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Phil,
See www.papilio.com for their catalog of decal supplies. They have metallic, glow in the dark, holographic and back-lit media. While some of these are for background effects, I would think by doing a reverse or negative printing you could get labels were the letters would be metallic, or whatever. I have used some of their standard black and white decal material for labels. It is very durable stuff. I think maybe Robin has used them also.
Jim Berry
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Strasnuts
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| Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 11:50 am Post subject: Re: Overhead console configuration |
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Gluing on the overhead console. I went overboard with the weights even though the console fits good on the canopy.
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robin1(at)mrmoisture.com
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| Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 12:14 pm Post subject: Overhead console configuration |
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Just back in town.
Yes I did use them for laser color on clear water transfer. Turned out
GREAT! And really simple however Stein can print 4 color process and I
am told it's more UV resistant and durable than what I used. His price
is something like $20/sheet and you can fit A Lot of graphics on a
single sheet if you plan right. I see zero issues with the way I did
mine and don't expect any fading or other problems for a very long time
(I hangar N110EE) so both work well and are really affordable and a good
choice for labeling.
Robin
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