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hotwheels

Joined: 01 Jun 2007
Posts: 240

Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 9:53 am Post subject: Windscreen install before panel?

Thoughts on whether or not to install the windscreen before panel? I can't think of any particular reason why not other than the cabin will get warmer due to reduced circulation while crawling around.



Cheers,

Jay

Jim Berry

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 237
Location: Denver

Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 10:32 am Post subject: Re: Windscreen install before panel?

Jay,



I installed my windscreen before the panel, and would do it that way again. I would suggest installing any defrost fans you may want before doing the windscreen. I also painted the lower 2-3" of the inside of the windscreen to hide the fiberglass fairing you will create on the outside. That area is very difficult to work in once the windscreen is in place.



Jim Berry

40482

N15JB

rv10rob(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 10:55 am Post subject: Windscreen install before panel?

I did all my panel, subpanel, and wiring work with the top forward fuselage on a work bench.  Made it much easier than crawling around the fuselage.  http://kochman.net/N819K/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/img_0624.jpg

   

 That's what I'd recommend, if you haven't riveted that part on yet.  If you have, it probably doesn't matter whether the windscreen is done before or after.

  

 -Rob

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Thoughts on whether or not to install the windscreen before panel? I can't think of any particular reason why not other than the cabin will get warmer due to reduced circulation while crawling around.



Cheers,

 Jay





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Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 11:54 am Post subject: Windscreen install before panel?

if you mean the actual front of the panel, installing the components. no 

problem if you mean setting up the wiring and layout I would get all that 

backend stuff done first, get all the wires positioned than close out the 

upper fusellage and install the windscreen. This will help with where to 

position your fans in relation to the avionics but more importantly it will 

allow you to get easy access to move/route wires around if they don't fit in 

a certain place.

Pascal



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From: "jayb" <jaybrinkmeyer(at)yahoo.com>

Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 9:53 AM

To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: Windscreen install before panel?



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 Thoughts on whether or not to install the windscreen before panel? I can't 

 think of any particular reason why not other than the cabin will get 

 warmer due to reduced circulation while crawling around.



 Cheers,

 Jay





 Read this topic online here:



 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 82907#282907

hotwheels

Joined: 01 Jun 2007
Posts: 240

Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 12:30 pm Post subject: Re: Windscreen install before panel?

To clarify... The forward fuse is riveted on and the engine is hung. The fans are in place.



Jay

MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com
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Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 2:07 pm Post subject: Windscreen install before panel?

I did most of my panel work with the forward fuselage section upside 

down on the bench.  I would wait as long as possible before riveting 

that whole section in place.  The engine can go on, landing gear, the 

top fitted - you just can't final attach the top.



Then I riveted it in place and continued to finish the panel.  I 

attached the top, fitted the doors, glued the windows... everything 

short of the windsheild.



I'm still tinkering around inside and trying to hold off on the 

windsheild until the last possible moment.  I find everything easier to 

do with the windsheild off.  It's been cut and fitted but it is in 

storage until I have to put it on.



Bill



jayb wrote:

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 Thoughts on whether or not to install the windscreen before panel? I can't think of any particular reason why not other than the cabin will get warmer due to reduced circulation while crawling around.



 Cheers,

 Jay

rv10builder(at)verizon.ne
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:05 pm Post subject: Windscreen install before panel?

makes no difference than, however do not install the avionics until after 

the windscreen.. between fitting the plexi and resin you don't want to worry 

about it going near the avionics.

This is what I am doing not what I did.I don't have the upper fusellage 

riveted yet so doing all my wiring was easy enough.

Have fun..

Pascal

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From: "jayb" <jaybrinkmeyer(at)yahoo.com>

Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 12:30 PM

To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: Re: Windscreen install before panel?



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 To clarify... The forward fuse is riveted on and the engine is hung. The 

 fans are in place.



 Jay





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pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.
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Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 5:03 pm Post subject: Windscreen install before panel?

My two pennies:  for me, the last two items that get riveted on are the 

forward upper fuselage and the cabin top.  Almost all the wiring will be 

done prior to attaching the forward upper fuselage.  Before you are 

ready to attach the windshield, fit the windshield and then use a 

sharpie to mark the outside edge on the fuselage top.  Paint the forward 

fuselage top with a flat black paint .... look for 'textured' black in 

rattle can.

Linn

Pascal wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 if you mean the actual front of the panel, installing the components. no 

 problem if you mean setting up the wiring and layout I would get all 

 that backend stuff done first, get all the wires positioned than close 

 out the upper fusellage and install the windscreen. This will help with 

 where to position your fans in relation to the avionics but more 

 importantly it will allow you to get easy access to move/route wires 

 around if they don't fit in a certain place.

 Pascal

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 From: "jayb" <jaybrinkmeyer(at)yahoo.com>

 Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 9:53 AM

 To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>

 Subject: Windscreen install before panel?

> 

>

> Thoughts on whether or not to install the windscreen before panel? I 

> can't think of any particular reason why not other than the cabin will 

> get warmer due to reduced circulation while crawling around.

>

> Cheers,

> Jay

>

>

> Read this topic online here:

>

> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 82907#282907

>

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daveleikam(at)wi.rr.com
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Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 8:28 pm Post subject: Windscreen install before panel?

I am putting windscreen on first.  I don't see any difference if you already 

riveted on the forward fuse top.  Two more cents - I used rattle can, spray 

on, truck bed liner from the local auto parts store to paint the forward 

fuse top.  Textured, flat black and very tough.  Scuff and prime first.



Dave Leikam

RV-10 #40496

N89DA

Muskego, WI



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LarryRosen

Joined: 16 Jan 2006
Posts: 415
Location: Medford, NJ

Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 2:31 pm Post subject: Windscreen install before panel?

Would there be any issues with completing the tasks listed below prior 

to riveting the forward upper fuselage in place

Fit the upper cabin top brace

Install the engine

Fit the upper and lower cowls

Install the cowl baffles

Fit the windscreen



Larry Rosen

Starting building after a year away

Linn Walters wrote:

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 My two pennies:  for me, the last two items that get riveted on are 

 the forward upper fuselage and the cabin top.  Almost all the wiring 

 will be done prior to attaching the forward upper fuselage.  Before 

 you are ready to attach the windshield, fit the windshield and then 

 use a sharpie to mark the outside edge on the fuselage top.  Paint the 

 forward fuselage top with a flat black paint .... look for 'textured' 

 black in rattle can.

 Linn



 Pascal wrote:

> 

>

> if you mean the actual front of the panel, installing the components. 

> no problem if you mean setting up the wiring and layout I would get 

> all that backend stuff done first, get all the wires positioned than 

> close out the upper fusellage and install the windscreen. This will 

> help with where to position your fans in relation to the avionics but 

> more importantly it will allow you to get easy access to move/route 

> wires around if they don't fit in a certain place.

> Pascal

>

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> From: "jayb" <jaybrinkmeyer(at)yahoo.com>

> Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 9:53 AM

> To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>

> Subject: Windscreen install before panel?

>

>> 

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>> Thoughts on whether or not to install the windscreen before panel? I 

>> can't think of any particular reason why not other than the cabin 

>> will get warmer due to reduced circulation while crawling around.

>>

>> Cheers,

>> Jay

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>> Read this topic online here:

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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 82907#282907

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Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 3:02 pm Post subject: Windscreen install before panel?

no issues. I did everything except the windscreen. I'll rivet the upper 

fusellage than do the windscreen as it makes little sense for me to move the 

windscreen, fit it and wait to final install until I finally get around to 

riveting the front- which will be months.

Pascal



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From: "Larry Rosen" <N205EN(at)gmail.com>

Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 2:30 PM

To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: Re: Windscreen install before panel?



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 Would there be any issues with completing the tasks listed below prior to 

 riveting the forward upper fuselage in place

 Fit the upper cabin top brace

 Install the engine

 Fit the upper and lower cowls

 Install the cowl baffles

 Fit the windscreen



 Larry Rosen

 Starting building after a year away

 Linn Walters wrote:

> 

>

> My two pennies:  for me, the last two items that get riveted on are the 

> forward upper fuselage and the cabin top.  Almost all the wiring will be 

> done prior to attaching the forward upper fuselage.  Before you are ready 

> to attach the windshield, fit the windshield and then use a sharpie to 

> mark the outside edge on the fuselage top.  Paint the forward fuselage 

> top with a flat black paint .... look for 'textured' black in rattle can.

> Linn

>

> Pascal wrote:

>> 

>>

>> if you mean the actual front of the panel, installing the components. no 

>> problem if you mean setting up the wiring and layout I would get all 

>> that backend stuff done first, get all the wires positioned than close 

>> out the upper fusellage and install the windscreen. This will help with 

>> where to position your fans in relation to the avionics but more 

>> importantly it will allow you to get easy access to move/route wires 

>> around if they don't fit in a certain place.

>> Pascal

>>

>> --------------------------------------------------

>> From: "jayb" <jaybrinkmeyer(at)yahoo.com>

>> Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 9:53 AM

>> To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>

>> Subject: Windscreen install before panel?

>>

>>> 

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>>> Thoughts on whether or not to install the windscreen before panel? I 

>>> can't think of any particular reason why not other than the cabin will 

>>> get warmer due to reduced circulation while crawling around.

>>>

>>> Cheers,

>>> Jay

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>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 82907#282907

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Strasnuts

Joined: 10 Feb 2009
Posts: 502
Location: Salt Lake City, UT

Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 3:46 pm Post subject: Windscreen install before panel?

The only thing you can do is the mounting the engine. You can fit the  

brace and drill it but you will have to take it back off. The cowls  

can't be done until the fwd top fuse is in place because of the  

hinges. Also, you can't do the baffling because the cowls can't be  

installed until the hinges.  I hope I'm right but that is the way I  

had to do it.



Sent from my iPhone



On Jan 23, 2010, at 15:30, Larry Rosen t<N205EN(at)gmail.com> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   



 Would there be any issues with completing the tasks listed below  

 prior to riveting the forward upper fuselage in place

 Fit the upper cabin top brace

 Install the engine

 Fit the upper and lower cowls

 Install the cowl baffles

 Fit the windscreen



 Larry Rosen

 Starting building after a year away

 Linn Walters wrote:

> 

> >

>

> My two pennies:  for me, the last two items that get riveted on are  

> the forward upper fuselage and the cabin top.  Almost all the  

> wiring will be done prior to attaching the forward upper fuselage.   

> Before you are ready to attach the windshield, fit the windshield  

> and then use a sharpie to mark the outside edge on the fuselage  

> top.  Paint the forward fuselage top with a flat black paint ....  

> look for 'textured' black in rattle can.

> Linn

>

> Pascal wrote:

>> 

>>

>> if you mean the actual front of the panel, installing the  

>> components. no problem if you mean setting up the wiring and  

>> layout I would get all that backend stuff done first, get all the  

>> wires positioned than close out the upper fusellage and install  

>> the windscreen. This will help with where to position your fans in  

>> relation to the avionics but more importantly it will allow you to  

>> get easy access to move/route wires around if they don't fit in a  

>> certain place.

>> Pascal

>>

>> --------------------------------------------------

>> From: "jayb" <jaybrinkmeyer(at)yahoo.com>

>> Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 9:53 AM

>> To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>

>> Subject: Windscreen install before panel?

>>

>>> 

>>>

>>> Thoughts on whether or not to install the windscreen before  

>>> panel? I can't think of any particular reason why not other than  

>>> the cabin will get warmer due to reduced circulation while  

>>> crawling around.

>>>

>>> Cheers,

>>> Jay

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Read this topic online here:

>>>

>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 82907#282907

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RV-10 SB N801VR Flying
780 Hours
SuperSTOL 60 hours

Jim Berry

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 237
Location: Denver

Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 4:08 pm Post subject: Re: Windscreen install before panel?

Larry,



All of the items on your list can be accomplished before riveting the forward top fuselage in place. Just cleco the top skin and proceed with the other steps. Obviously you will have to remove the cabin top brace after drilling for the hardware at the upper end, then reinstall it after the forward skin is riveted in place. There is no problem clecoing the cowl hinges and fitting the cowling, baffles, etc. without the top skin being riveted.



Jim Berry

40482

N15JB

Strasnuts

Joined: 10 Feb 2009
Posts: 502
Location: Salt Lake City, UT

Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 4:23 pm Post subject: Re: Windscreen install before panel?

Man do I feel like a ri-tard.  I guess I can finish my baffling.  Thanks Jim.  I never thought of using clecos.  I'm serious.

_________________
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RV-10 SB N801VR Flying
780 Hours
SuperSTOL 60 hours

pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 4:25 pm Post subject: Windscreen install before panel?

I guess I have 4 pennies in here now!!

I'll bolt on the engine mount so I can mount stuff on the firewall prior 

to riveting on the forward upper fuselage. I think I'll put it on the 

gear just before mounting the engine.  My proposed schedule would be:

1)  fit the cabin top brace

2)  complete the wiring ..... My panel will be connectorized for easy 

removal and the wirng to the fuselage will either be coiled up with the 

forward upper fuselage, or attached after it's riveted on.

3)  prepare the inside of the cabin top ..... in process now .... 

getting ready to lay up the overhead console.  Might include painting on 

inside.

4)  install all the interior trim panels and seats.

5)  river forward upper fuselage.

6)  install cabin top.

7)  get on the gear.

  hang engine.

9)  baffling .... make plenum.

10) attach cowl

11) install windows and windscreen.

12) final assembly of wings and tail feathers.

13) final paint ..... wings & tail feathers will be painted after 

they're assembled.



If there's a quagmire in the making .... someone let me know!!!

Linn

Larry Rosen wrote:

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 Would there be any issues with completing the tasks listed below prior 

 to riveting the forward upper fuselage in place

 Fit the upper cabin top brace

 Install the engine

 Fit the upper and lower cowls

 Install the cowl baffles

 Fit the windscreen

 

 Larry Rosen

 Starting building after a year away

 

 

 Linn Walters wrote:

> 

>

> My two pennies:  for me, the last two items that get riveted on are 

> the forward upper fuselage and the cabin top.  Almost all the wiring 

> will be done prior to attaching the forward upper fuselage.  Before 

> you are ready to attach the windshield, fit the windshield and then 

> use a sharpie to mark the outside edge on the fuselage top.  Paint the 

> forward fuselage top with a flat black paint .... look for 'textured' 

> black in rattle can.

> Linn

>

> Pascal wrote:

>> 

>>

>> if you mean the actual front of the panel, installing the components. 

>> no problem if you mean setting up the wiring and layout I would get 

>> all that backend stuff done first, get all the wires positioned than 

>> close out the upper fusellage and install the windscreen. This will 

>> help with where to position your fans in relation to the avionics but 

>> more importantly it will allow you to get easy access to move/route 

>> wires around if they don't fit in a certain place.

>> Pascal

>>

>> --------------------------------------------------

>> From: "jayb" <jaybrinkmeyer(at)yahoo.com>

>> Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 9:53 AM

>> To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>

>> Subject: Windscreen install before panel?

>>

>>> 

>>>

>>> Thoughts on whether or not to install the windscreen before panel? I 

>>> can't think of any particular reason why not other than the cabin 

>>> will get warmer due to reduced circulation while crawling around.

>>>

>>> Cheers,

>>> Jay

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Read this topic online here:

>>>

>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 82907#282907

>>>

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Jim Berry

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 237
Location: Denver

Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 8:25 pm Post subject: Re: Windscreen install before panel?

Larry,



I don't foresee any quagmires, but I do have a few questions and suggestions. I am not sure if your list is just the stuff that needs to be done, or a proposed work sequence.



1. If by interior trim panels you mean the sheet metal, there is really not much point in putting it in yet. It looks kind of cool to see it in, but it is going to need to come back out for final inspection. Even if you are compulsive about planning your fuselage wiring & plumbing, I can almost guarantee there will be something that needs to be changed.



2. There is no need to rivet the forward fuselage before you final install the cabin top. You can slide the forward fuselage on and off with the cabin top in place. I would put off riveting the forward fuselage as long as possible, which means everything on your list except the windscreen and wings.



3. Make absolutely sure you have made any/all modifications to your subpanel before you rivet the forward fuselage. Having to cut access for long avionics or mount components on the subpanel after it is installed is an absolute pita.



4. I don't see doors. You are going to love doing those.



5. Baffling will have to come after fitting the cowl. I am not sure about the plenum since I don't have one.



6. There are a few rivets in the upper firewall to forward fuselage ribs that are very difficult to access with the engine in place. You will want 2 sets of very small, but highly trained hands to help with this step.



Have fun.



Jim Berry

40482

N15JB

pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 8:57 pm Post subject: Windscreen install before panel?

Larry posed the question .... the list is mine!

Jim Berry wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 Larry,

 

 I don't foresee any quagmires, but I do have a few questions and

 suggestions. I am not sure if your list is just the stuff that needs

 to be done, or a proposed work sequence.

Both.
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   

 1. If by interior trim panels you mean the sheet metal, there is

 really not much point in putting it in yet. It looks kind of cool to

 see it in, but it is going to need to come back out for final

 inspection. Even if you are compulsive about planning your fuselage

 wiring & plumbing, I can almost guarantee there will be something

 that needs to be changed.

I ran sufficient conduit so adding wires shouldn't be a problem.  I also 
	


have a wire run down the center console without conduit so those covers 

might pose a problem.

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 2. There is no need to rivet the forward fuselage before you final

 install the cabin top. You can slide the forward fuselage on and off

 with the cabin top in place. I would put off riveting the forward

 fuselage as long as possible, which means everything on your list

 except the windscreen and wings.

Good point.  The cabin top and the forward upper fuse are my final 
	


'close out' items since I really don't want them in the way.

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 3. Make absolutely sure you have made any/all modifications to your

 subpanel before you rivet the forward fuselage. Having to cut access

 for long avionics or mount components on the subpanel after it is

 installed is an absolute pita.

I'm there now.  My transponder is the only deep item.  such a shame to 
	


do so much work stiffening the hole for a couple of inches.

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 4. I don't see doors. You are going to love doing those.

My doors are hung .... going through the process to add the 
	


McMaster-Carr seals.  Lots of grinding/filling on the door jambs.

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 5. Baffling will have to come after fitting the cowl. I am not sure

 about the plenum since I don't have one.

I think you're right.  Good call.
	


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 6. There are a few rivets in the upper firewall to forward fuselage

 ribs that are very difficult to access with the engine in place. You

 will want 2 sets of very small, but highly trained hands to help with

 this step.

Only the engine mount will be installed prior to attachment of the upper 
	


fuselage.  I have stuff to mount on the engine side of the firewall so 

need clearance and maintenance room.

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 Have fun.

Fun???  Well, I am enjoying the journey.  This is far more complex than 
	


building my Pitts ...... but the fun will come in the flying.  My brain 

keeps the tune 'I'm a traveling man, made a lot of stop, all over the 

world ...... I want to see a lot more of my country before I croak!!!



Thanks for the guidance!!!

Linn



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Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 9:24 pm Post subject: Windscreen install before panel?

Linn;

All looks like what I did/am doing. I might suggest you do the cowl before 

the baffles, I noticed that it was easier to fit/adjust the baffles to the 

correct cowl mating than it would be to make the cowls line up and fit 

around the baffles.  I had a heck of a time with my cowls they were warped 

and took loads of work just to align so I am glad I did my cowls before the 

baffles.

I really would hold off on riveting the upper forward fusellage until after 

step #10. The engine can be mounted without concern of the piece being 

riveted on, I have had it this way for months .

Pascal



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From: "Linn Walters" <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>

Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 4:24 PM

To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: Re: Windscreen install before panel?



 	  Quote: 	
		   



 I guess I have 4 pennies in here now!!

 I'll bolt on the engine mount so I can mount stuff on the firewall prior 

 to riveting on the forward upper fuselage. I think I'll put it on the gear 

 just before mounting the engine.  My proposed schedule would be:

 1)  fit the cabin top brace

 2)  complete the wiring ..... My panel will be connectorized for easy 

 removal and the wirng to the fuselage will either be coiled up with the 

 forward upper fuselage, or attached after it's riveted on.

 3)  prepare the inside of the cabin top ..... in process now .... getting 

 ready to lay up the overhead console.  Might include painting on inside.

 4)  install all the interior trim panels and seats.

 5)  river forward upper fuselage.

 6)  install cabin top.

 7)  get on the gear.

   hang engine.

 9)  baffling .... make plenum.

 10) attach cowl

 11) install windows and windscreen.

 12) final assembly of wings and tail feathers.

 13) final paint ..... wings & tail feathers will be painted after they're 

 assembled.



 If there's a quagmire in the making .... someone let me know!!!

 Linn

 Larry Rosen wrote:

> 

>

> Would there be any issues with completing the tasks listed below prior to 

> riveting the forward upper fuselage in place

> Fit the upper cabin top brace

> Install the engine

> Fit the upper and lower cowls

> Install the cowl baffles

> Fit the windscreen

>

> Larry Rosen

> Starting building after a year away

> Linn Walters wrote:

>> 

>> <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>

>>

>> My two pennies:  for me, the last two items that get riveted on are the 

>> forward upper fuselage and the cabin top.  Almost all the wiring will be 

>> done prior to attaching the forward upper fuselage.  Before you are 

>> ready to attach the windshield, fit the windshield and then use a 

>> sharpie to mark the outside edge on the fuselage top.  Paint the forward 

>> fuselage top with a flat black paint .... look for 'textured' black in 

>> rattle can.

>> Linn

>>

>> Pascal wrote:

>>> 

>>>

>>> if you mean the actual front of the panel, installing the components. 

>>> no problem if you mean setting up the wiring and layout I would get all 

>>> that backend stuff done first, get all the wires positioned than close 

>>> out the upper fusellage and install the windscreen. This will help with 

>>> where to position your fans in relation to the avionics but more 

>>> importantly it will allow you to get easy access to move/route wires 

>>> around if they don't fit in a certain place.

>>> Pascal

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>>> From: "jayb" <jaybrinkmeyer(at)yahoo.com>

>>> Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 9:53 AM

>>> To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>

>>> Subject: Windscreen install before panel?

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>>>> Thoughts on whether or not to install the windscreen before panel? I 

>>>> can't think of any particular reason why not other than the cabin will 

>>>> get warmer due to reduced circulation while crawling around.

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>>>> Cheers,

>>>> Jay

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>>>> Read this topic online here:

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>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 82907#282907

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MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com
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Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 9:10 am Post subject: Windscreen install before panel?

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		  > 6. There are a few rivets in the upper firewall to forward fuselage

> ribs that are very difficult to access with the engine in place. You

> will want 2 sets of very small, but highly trained hands to help with

> this step.

I forgot about those rivets - really perverse.
	


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> Have fun.

 Fun???  Well, I am enjoying the journey.  This is far more complex 

 than building my Pitts ...... but the fun will come in the flying.  My 

 brain keeps the tune 'I'm a traveling man, made a lot of stop, all 

 over the world ...... I want to see a lot more of my country before I 

 croak!!!

Went to see "Up in the Air" last night (Clooney).  A moving little movie 
	


human connections and such, but the great aerial shots scattered 

throughout had me longing for some flight... and not the airline style 

of slumming around.  It's ironic that we've done less flying during the 

last 3 years of rolling our own, than we did in the previous 20.  It's 

been some of the most interesting aviation play ever but sure am missing 

the clouds, and the places, and the people at those places.  It's hard 

to buck up for  a 400 mile slog in the Maule when dreaming of '10!  But 

flying is flying - need a vacation.



Bill "flying the '10 in 10" Watson

Jim Berry

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 237
Location: Denver

Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 9:44 am Post subject: Re: Windscreen install before panel?

Linn,



Sorry for the misattribution on your list. You are right about the Pitts being much simpler. I did a plans built Pitts S1S about 30 years ago. While building all those ribs and stitching was repetitious, it was a stone simple airplane. Also, access was great. There wasn't anything that you couldn't get both hands on. The -10 wont be nearly as much fun, but my wife is looking forward to something she can enjoy flying. She did one take off and landing in the Pitts, and said never again.



Jim Berry

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