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 Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:02 am Post subject: AD insurance |
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It was mentioned the other day that the AOPA AD insurance was no good for
experimental and home builts. I did some research and called the insurance
company. We did a once over on the policy. On the back it states in the
exclusions - experimental aircraft. But -- if you read if further or more
deeply, you will find that is ONLY when it is not certified by the
government. That means that once you fly off the restrictions and get the
airworthiness certificate, it IS certified by the government. She assured
me that they do and have honored this insurance in experimental homebuilts
and all light sport classes of fixed wing. She just advised that until it
has passed all restrictions and has a air.cert., it is not. I hope this
clears it up. If you have questions, please give her a call. It is good,
cheap extra insurance for us that lose our double indemnity coverage when we
fly. Ted
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| Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:03 am Post subject: AD insurance |
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I forgot to add, I also got in touch with AOPA and Zack from Member Services
stated that the insurance DID NOT cover experimentals, etc. Soooo, go to
the horses mouth, you know, the one that is going to pay you. I like the
fact they cover arms and legs too. Our feet seem to be the first thing that
hits the ground and not running either. ted
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lucien
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| Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 5:07 am Post subject: Re: AD insurance |
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| tc1917(at)bellsouth.net wrote: | I forgot to add, I also got in touch with AOPA and Zack from Member Services
stated that the insurance DID NOT cover experimentals, etc. Soooo, go to
the horses mouth, you know, the one that is going to pay you. I like the
fact they cover arms and legs too. Our feet seem to be the first thing that
hits the ground and not running either. ted |
For what it's worth, I have my insurance through Falcon, which I got through the EAA. Supposed to cover experimentals.
No matter who you go with, you can be sure they'll figure out a way to wriggle out of their end of the bargain when something does happen, so in the end it probably doesn't matter much.
I think of insurance as just a big fee that allows you to fly at airports that require ins. I don't seriously think they'd ever cover me in case of a problem, so I write off the airplane in my mind as part of my preflight checklist. The ins. industry is much better at dishonor than you could ever be at honor, so don't put a lot of mental energy into it. Just go with whoever will write you a policy and forget about it.
Once I get my plane paid off I'm dropping it down to liability only....
LS
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John Hauck
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| Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 7:55 am Post subject: AD insurance |
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> For what it's worth, I have my insurance through Falcon, which I got
through the EAA. Supposed to cover experimentals.
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No matter who you go with, you can be sure they'll figure out a way to
wriggle out of their end of the bargain when something does happen, so in
the end it probably doesn't matter much.
I think of insurance as just a big fee that allows you to fly at airports
that require ins. I don't seriously think they'd ever cover me in case of
a problem, so I write off the airplane in my mind as part of my preflight
checklist.
Once I get my plane paid off I'm dropping it down to liability only....
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Good Morning, Lucien/Gang:
I think Ted C is talking about life insurance, but I could be wrong. Maybe
AD in the subject line, indicates Accidental Death.
I replaced my Avemco policy with Falcon Insurance when Avemco dropped
experimentals some years ago. It does cover experiementals. I had a claim
last year, after the rats decided to eat my airplane for lunch. They use
the same adjuster, out of Atlanta, that AVEMCO uses. They were prompt to
come look at the airplane and prompt to send me a check.
On 1 July 2000, I wiped off the landing gear and damaged the left wing and
aileron on the MKIII landing on a rough field at Rocky Mountain Lodge,
Muncho Lake, BC. AVEMCO paid for transporting me and my airplane 3,762
miles to Titus, Alabama, and all repairs. I worked with an adjuster out of
Vancouver, BC. He was great.
Insurance companies are not in business to pay, and they will check your
paperwork to insure you have a current ticket (BFR), medical, annual
inspection, etc. If you and the airplane are current, they'll pay.
If you owe money on your airplane, the finance institution will require hull
insurance only to cover their loan. An airport would not be interested in
hull, but liability insurance only. Liability is cheap compared to hull
insurance.
One of the great benefits of Falcon Insurance is their coverage any where in
the North American Continent. My first two flights to Alaska with Avemco
Insurance I had to buy supplemental insurance to cover my airplane north of
the Arctic Circle. It was very expensive. It would cost a small fortune to
recover an aircraft off the North Slope or out of the Brooks Mountains, get
it back to Fairbanks to repair, or ship back to Alabama for me to repair. I
could not afford that without insurance. Same here in the Lower 48, but not
quite as drastic as Northern Canada or Alaska.
If I could afford to write off my airplane, I would not have insurance.
Unfortunately, I can't afford to do that.
john h
mkIII
Titus, AL
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lucien
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| Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 9:01 am Post subject: Re: AD insurance |
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I've not had the same good experiences others have reported having with the insurance industry in the past, despite having kept my side of the street squeaky clean. Can't remember the last time an ins. co. honored their side of any agreement with me off hand.
But then again, I just have bad karma generally among thieves and crooks. They can see me coming miles away. A cross I have to bear in our insurance-laden society I suppose.
Good point about the hull - on my plane the hull is almost 3/4 of the total cost, tho that's because I'm currently still carrying hull for the full purchase price of about 3 years ago. I may drop it down to the remaining debt amount next year when the drop in the rates is substantial enough.
Liability is usually pretty cheap, on the order of car insurance, and is generally all the airports require.
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John Hauck
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| Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 9:51 am Post subject: AD insurance |
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> But then again, I just have bad karma generally among thieves and crooks.
They can see me coming miles away. A cross I have to bear in our
insurance-laden society I suppose.
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Aviation insurance companies have not come across as "thieves and crooks" to
me. If I keep up my end of the bargain, they give me the service I pay for.
One advantage of aviation hull insurance over, automobile collision and
comprehensive insurance is total payoff. Aviation insurance companies do
not depreciate value. If I insure my 18 year old mkIII for 40,000.00, that
is what they will pay if I total it, no matter.
With a 20,000.00 engine and a 20,000.00 airframe and equipment, I am not
wealthy enough to write off that kind of loss. I'll stick to hull
insurance.
I do think it foolish to fly into public airports, or private airports,
around very expensive aircraft, equipment, and people, without having
liability insurance. If I knocked the position light off the wing tip of a
Cessna Citation, I'd be in debt forever.
john h
mkIII- Going flying!!!
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NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net
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| Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 10:55 am Post subject: AD insurance |
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John/All
Another perspective. I don't carry insurance on my airplane. I have been
told the cost of hull insurance is app. 10% of the cost of your airplane per
year. A experimental might be more. Last year I asked Avemco for a quote on
liability insurance. When they found out I had a VW on my plane that I
installed (not professionally installed) they walked away. They wouldn't
even give me a quote. But they did give me a hat.
I have been flying my plane for ten years so I can total my plane and it
will cost me less to replace than pay for the insurance. You talk about the
monumental cost of recovering your plane from the north slope of Alaska...
Insurance companies don't like to pay more than they have to. They will
figure the appraised value of your plane minus your deductable and IF you
haven't violated any rules or laws might just write you a check.
Liability insurance is a concern but if I'm dead are they really going to go
after my (hopefully grieving) 60 year old widow??? Also my pockets aren't
deep enough to interest a money grubbing lawyer.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
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lucien
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| Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 2:45 pm Post subject: Re: AD insurance |
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| NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net wrote: | John/All
Another perspective. I don't carry insurance on my airplane. I have been
told the cost of hull insurance is app. 10% of the cost of your airplane per
year. A experimental might be more. Last year I asked Avemco for a quote on
liability insurance. When they found out I had a VW on my plane that I
installed (not professionally installed) they walked away. They wouldn't
even give me a quote. But they did give me a hat.
I have been flying my plane for ten years so I can total my plane and it
will cost me less to replace than pay for the insurance. You talk about the
monumental cost of recovering your plane from the north slope of Alaska...
Insurance companies don't like to pay more than they have to. They will
figure the appraised value of your plane minus your deductable and IF you
haven't violated any rules or laws might just write you a check.
Liability insurance is a concern but if I'm dead are they really going to go
after my (hopefully grieving) 60 year old widow??? Also my pockets aren't
deep enough to interest a money grubbing lawyer.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
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That's actually not unusual (that they turned you down for having the VW conversion). The ins. co. wants someone involved that's worth enough to go after via lawsuit if they decide to try to recover a loss.
That's why they don't like "one-off's", like a custom auto-engine conversion or something along those lines, no matter how well done or reliable it might end up being.. There's no one left to sue at the end of the day - it's pretty much just you and you're broke because of having spent all your money on the plane.
But even something like a PSRU made by some (sue-able) company somewhere can satisfy the underwriter in many cases, even if the rest of the engine is completely custom-done for instance. You may get a higher rate but they'll still sometimes write you a policy.
In any case, you have to weigh the likelihood of getting screwed by the insurance co. against the protections you would have if they did decide to honor their end of the agreement. There's not much you can do legally if they do screw you, but there's a lot you can do to help insure they won't. I.e., stay relentlessly current, meticulous about the logbooks and maint. etc. I don't so much as turn a wrench without putting it in my logbooks.
Liability is worth it, I agree, if you fly into/out of a lot of airports. It's good to not hit anything in the first place, but there's always that potential for disaster....
PPS: sorry, I was wrong. 10% of the value per year sounds pretty high. Mine is more like in the neighborhood of 3 to 4% for the hull by itself (I'd have to look it up on my policy). It may depend on the plane, etc, tho...
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Dana
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| Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:04 pm Post subject: AD insurance |
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At 12:46 PM 1/22/2010, John Hauck wrote:
| Quote: | | Aviation insurance companies have not come across as "thieves and crooks" to me. If I keep up my end of the bargain, they give me the service I pay for. |
Same here. Really it's just legalized gambling... you're betting you're going to have an accident, they're betting you won't... and as always, the odds favor the house.
| Quote: | | One advantage of aviation hull insurance over, automobile collision and comprehensive insurance is total payoff. Aviation insurance companies do not depreciate value. If I insure my 18 year old mkIII for 40,000.00, that is what they will pay if I total it, no matter. |
That's because planes don't depreciate significantly, if at all.
| Quote: | | With a 20,000.00 engine and a 20,000.00 airframe and equipment, I am not wealthy enough to write off that kind of loss. I'll stick to hull insurance. |
With a $2500 airplane, including engine and "equipment", I'm not wealthy enough to _pay_ for hull insurance.
| Quote: | | I do think it foolish to fly into public airports, or private airports, around very expensive aircraft, equipment, and people, without having liability insurance. If I knocked the position light off the wing tip of a Cessna Citation, I'd be in debt forever. |
Which is why I have liability insurance... and would even if my airport didn't require it.
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| Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 9:54 pm Post subject: AD insurance |
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I hope this won't sound like an insurance commercial but I have had first hand experience with Old Republic through the Travers Agency. Both the agency and the carrier treated me fairly. An adjuster was on the scene of the accident within a couple of days and the carrier paid for a second opinion of the damage as well as storage until the claim was settled for the full amount of the hull insurance. They refunded my premium, dated to the accident and now are writing my replacement plane at a fair price.
As for liability insurance, it is a must. Accidents do happen. I saw the day after of a Kolb Firestar that got away from the pilot on a ramp and hit a Cessna in the baggage door. It buckled the Cessna fuselage. You might be able to pay for damage to your aircraft but try paying for someones certified Cessna or Cirrus.
Jon L.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 7:31 am Post subject: AD insurance |
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Some common sense is good insurance too. I rarely fly to large gatherings at paved airports but when I do,
the guy waving me over to park on the ramp next to big expensive airplanes gets ignored. With puny brakes and
no differential action I shut down and hand push to a good spot. My preference is to taxi over to a grassy spot
and park. This also reduces the chances of some other guy whacking you.
BB
On 22, Jan 2010, at 5:45 PM, lucien wrote:
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NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net wrote:
> John/All
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> Another perspective. I don't carry insurance on my airplane. I have been
> told the cost of hull insurance is app. 10% of the cost of your airplane per
> year. A experimental might be more. Last year I asked Avemco for a quote on
> liability insurance. When they found out I had a VW on my plane that I
> installed (not professionally installed) they walked away. They wouldn't
> even give me a quote. But they did give me a hat.
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> I have been flying my plane for ten years so I can total my plane and it
> will cost me less to replace than pay for the insurance. You talk about the
> monumental cost of recovering your plane from the north slope of Alaska...
> Insurance companies don't like to pay more than they have to. They will
> figure the appraised value of your plane minus your deductable and IF you
> haven't violated any rules or laws might just write you a check.
>
> Liability insurance is a concern but if I'm dead are they really going to go
> after my (hopefully grieving) 60 year old widow??? Also my pockets aren't
> deep enough to interest a money grubbing lawyer.
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> Rick Neilsen
> Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
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That's actually not unusual (that they turned you down for having the VW conversion). The ins. co. wants someone involved that's worth enough to go after via lawsuit if they decide to try to recover a loss.
That's why they don't like "one-off's", like a custom auto-engine conversion or something along those lines, no matter how well done or reliable it might end up being.. There's no one left to sue at the end of the day - it's pretty much just you and you're broke because of having spent all your money on the plane.
But even something like a PSRU made by some (sue-able) company somewhere can satisfy the underwriter in many cases, even if the rest of the engine is completely custom-done for instance. You may get a higher rate but they'll still sometimes write you a policy.
In any case, you have to weigh the likelihood of getting screwed by the insurance co. against the protections you would have if they did decide to honor their end of the agreement. There's not much you can do legally if they do screw you, but there's a lot you can do to help insure they won't. I.e., stay relentlessly current, meticulous about the logbooks and maint. etc. I don't so much as turn a wrench without putting it in my logbooks.
Liability is worth it, I agree, if you fly into/out of a lot of airports. It's good to not hit anything in the first place, but there's always that potential for disaster....
LS
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| Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 7:49 am Post subject: Re: AD insurance |
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| slyck(at)frontiernet.net wrote: | Some common sense is good insurance too. I rarely fly to large gatherings at paved airports but when I do,
the guy waving me over to park on the ramp next to big expensive airplanes gets ignored. With puny brakes and
no differential action I shut down and hand push to a good spot. My preference is to taxi over to a grassy spot
and park. This also reduces the chances of some other guy whacking you.
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Well it's probably obvious by now that I have a particular hatred of organized crime over practically any other form of criminal activity. Particularly mob rackets like insurance and banking (I make my living having these guys as customers) really get my back up, so it's very hard for me to maintain objectivity about them. Particularly when people start talking about them as if they're actually benevolent, honorable enterprises who only have our best interests at heart. That's really when my hair starts to stand on end.
So I'll sit on my hands on the issue for now.
To be honest, when I get rich and famous I'm going to buy a plot of land out in the middle of nowhere and build my own insurance-free airport on it and will fly only to other places out in the middle of nowhere. I wouldn't be too bent out of shape if I never landed at another public airport again and all my flight ops were forever after into dirt/grass strips privately owned and far far away from anywhere.
But yes, as long as I do have to fly into public places, I'll toe the line and maintain liability insurance. Accidents really do happen no matter how careful you are....
LS
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| Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 8:43 am Post subject: AD insurance |
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At 07:49 AM 1/23/10 -0800, you wrote:
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I wouldn't be too bent out of shape if I never landed at another public
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lucien,
What makes you so sure that there aren't a few sharks, wolves, etc lying in
wait at the "dirt/grass strips privately owned and far far away from
anywhere"?
Flying a ul has been an interesting experience. From my limited experience,
airport managers vary from a few who want you to "get out of here" to most
who bend over backwards to be helpful. Some are anxiety prone and see
nothing but the liability of operating a business, and others are more open
to service and the promotion of flying. They may not like you but they sure
will sell you fuel and count your take off and landing in with the real
planes when it comes time to report to the fed's. So far, I have been lucky
in finding hangar space at public airports. At first things were a little
dicey but when they found out that I kept out of the way, I was accepted,
and other pilots who fly from the same airport drop by to check out the
FireFly. One of the reasons for hangaring at a public airport is so that I
can talk to others who like to fly. Then there are a few who turn their
back but they have been, in most cases, pilots who are passing through.
Having a heat wave. Supposed to get over 50 degrees F today. Warm enough
to work on the FireFly.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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lucien
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| Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 9:25 am Post subject: Re: AD insurance |
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lucien,
What makes you so sure that there aren't a few sharks, wolves, etc lying in
wait at the "dirt/grass strips privately owned and far far away from
anywhere"?
Flying a ul has been an interesting experience. From my limited experience,
airport managers vary from a few who want you to "get out of here" to most
who bend over backwards to be helpful. Some are anxiety prone and see
nothing but the liability of operating a business, and others are more open
to service and the promotion of flying. They may not like you but they sure
will sell you fuel and count your take off and landing in with the real
planes when it comes time to report to the fed's. So far, I have been lucky
in finding hangar space at public airports. At first things were a little
dicey but when they found out that I kept out of the way, I was accepted,
and other pilots who fly from the same airport drop by to check out the
FireFly. One of the reasons for hangaring at a public airport is so that I
can talk to others who like to fly. Then there are a few who turn their
back but they have been, in most cases, pilots who are passing through.
Having a heat wave. Supposed to get over 50 degrees F today. Warm enough
to work on the FireFly.
Jack B. Hart FF004
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Hi Jack,
Well you know the old saying: Life's a bed of roses, you just have to watch out for the pricks. Now, there's always a risk of running into a prick, but the chances of that go down when there aren't so many roses around.....
All that said, I've generally had overall good experiences at public airports as I have for the last 8 or so years or so. That's generally because I try to prep myself on the rules, obey the rules and get any conflicts that may arise dealt with as soon as practicable. If someone complains, I go right to their office and get to work on what we need to do about it.
I had my FSII here at KSAF for about a year until I regrettably had to sell it. I never got even one complaint and everyone loved watching me fly the plane around the airport. One time the tower asked me to call them after I'd made a mistake and, as usual, it was my fault and I corrected the error after that when I was given the same instructions subsequently. And the controller added "and finally I just want to say I'm absolutely enthralled with your airplane".
With hangaring and some of the GA and big iron pilots, tho, my results have been mixed, especially when I was flying ultralights. The two main problems with hangaring are exploitative raising of rents and closing of hangars. With other planes/pilots, the perception of ultralights as cowboys that make trouble even if you're neither a cowboy or a trouble-maker. Goes back to that "prick" thing I mentioned earlier.
Looking back on my flying, I still rank ultralighting as my most magical flying experiences. Flying my quicksilver off a farm was really the pinnacle privilege of my entire flying career and I've wanted to try that again since.
There's just something about blasting off out of a field somewhere that you just don't quite capture when it's a big airport.
We got about another month left in the flying season here before we get shut down by the wind and then convective activity. After that it'll be little windows here and there assuming I can get up early enough in the morning. Got a massive low pressure system over us this weekend which I think has put the Kaibash on flying until next weekend....
LS
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| Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 11:47 am Post subject: AD insurance |
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"There's just something about blasting off out of a field somewhere that you just don't quite capture when it's a big airport." -LS
I agree. especially nice if you own it and:
1 always cleared number one for takeoff
2. absolutely free, including hangar (pretentious name for old shed), farm rent pays taxes
3. within view of my front window
4. tires last forever
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John Hauck
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Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)
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| Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 12:38 pm Post subject: AD insurance |
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Me too.
I have visited Bob's airstrip. It is beautiful. Never landed on it with my airplane, but spent the night on it in the 5th wheel. It was so dark I could not see my hand in front of my face.
Bob's strip and hanger are a lot like mine, with the exception his is longer and has better approaches.
My airstrip does not belong to me, but close friends. I have been flying out of it for more than 25 years now, all 750 feet of it, with one easy way in and out. The other way is not bad, but not as easy as the other. I get lazy and land the easy way now. When I was younger and dumber, I landed both ways. If I did that now, it would soon become normal and not at all difficult.
I have two hangers with 150.00 invested in both, not counting labor. I have never paid a penny's rent, but I do help with some of the chores around the farm, when needed. I also keep 8 antique tractors in barns and sheds at the farm. Best of both worlds.
I was rotary wing rated, but not fixed wing rated, when I took off in my untested Ultrastar, out of that cow pasture, July 1984. After my second flight, two weeks later, I was fixed wing rated. In 1990, I got my private ticket with 1,200+ ultralight flight hours and 20 hours in a Cessna 152. I may have 30 hours in GA fixed wing, the rest are in Kolbs, with the exception of a couple hours in Bert Howland's Honey Bee in 1989, and an hour in Bruce Chestnut's Aeronca Champ a few years ago. Yea...and I did fly the Kolb Sport out of Chesnut Knolls for an hour.
I have test flown my three Kolbs out of Gantt International Airport (my grass strip).
I have pretty much free run of hay fields up here in my neck of the woods. Never had a problem with any neighbor and my airplane all these years, even when I cut a 7,600 VAC power line at supper time in 1985. I didn't get hurt but my airplane was totaled and a lot of folks had a late supper. I was afraid my flying days were over because I had no money to pay Alabama Power Co to replace the line and three each three phase transformers I burned out, not to mention the money to rebuild my Ultrastar. Never got a letter from Alabama Power, and Brother Jim and I managed to rebuild the Ultrastar by pinching those pennies a little harder.
Back then, I would never have thought my Kolbs would fly to the places they have flown, and will fly on a regular basis.
I am grateful to be an American and have the opportunity to experience some very enjoyable years building and flying my Kolbs.
john h
mkIII - On a cold, gray, windy, dreary day at hauck's holler, alabama.
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I agree. especially nice if you own it and:
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John Hauck
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| Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 2:55 pm Post subject: AD insurance |
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Forgot to mention in my previous, the four photos were taken as I was preparing to take off for Point Barrow, Alaska. All the cows and calves came over to bid me farewell. The first of this year the gentleman that was leasing the farm loaded up his cows and went elsewhere. For the first time in many years, I have a cow pattie free airstrip. Unfortunately, the weather has been so poor I am not getting much flying done, with or without cow manure. I miss the old cows, little baby calves, and those high strung adolecents that jump around and kick up their heels when I would confront them with the mkIII. Spring will be here before we know it, and another young man has leased the hay fields and pastures to raise beef cattle. Like the old herds before them, they will soon learn and become accustomed to living in and around Gantt International Airport and that noisy little flying machine that tries to make them move off the airstrip so it can land.
Those photos were taken about 24 June 2004. On that trip I was gone for 48 days, flew about 175 hours. I made landings at:
1 - Leadville, CO (highest airport in the North American Continent at 9,927 feet ASL)
2 - Barrow, AK (Northernmost village in the North American Continent)
3 - Dead Horse/Prudhoe Bay, AK (end of the Dalton Highway (Pipeline Haul Road))
4 - Kaktovik (Barter Island), AK (northeasternmost village in Alaska)
5 - Homer, AK
6 - Seldovia, AK (about 15 miles across Kachemak Bay south of Homer)
7 - Valdez, AK
8 - McCarthy, AK
9 - Tuktoyaktuk, Northwest Territory, Canada (northernmost village in the North American Continent in Canada)
10- Inuvik, NWT, Canada (at the northern end of the Dempster Highway (gravel for over 500 miles) 80 miles south of Tuktoyaktuk)
While in the Barrow, AK, area, I landed on the beach of the Arctic Ocean, 12 miles south of Barrow, at the location of the fatal crash of Wiley Post and Wil Rogers in 1935; departed the beach and flew north over the Arctic Ocean and 5 miles beyond Point Barrow, AK, the northernmost point of the North American Continent.
Amazing what these little Kolb airplanes will do, one leg at a time. Point the nose to where you want to go and fly.
Normally takes me 7 days at 8 flight hours a day to reach North Pole, AK, from Gantt IAP, AL. North Pole is about 20 miles south of Fairbanks.
john h
mkIII - The little bird flew approximately 14,000 statute miles during that 48 day flight.
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Ralph B
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| Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 5:49 pm Post subject: Re: AD insurance |
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Here's what it looks like up here in the north country. These were taken on 1/13/10 in the Kolbra.
Ralph
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| Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 6:22 pm Post subject: AD insurance |
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Ralph, I didn't realize MN is at sea level..
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John Hauck
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| Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 7:40 pm Post subject: AD insurance |
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> Here's what it looks like up here in the north country. These were taken
on 1/13/10 in the Kolbra.
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Ralph/Gang:
I landed there in 2000, but it didn'te look like that. Grass was lush and
green. There was no one around. I kept heading north to Alaska.
Enjoyed your photos.
john h
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