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Juan Vega Jr

Joined: 13 Jan 2009
Posts: 157

Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 4:31 pm Post subject: Recommended Letter-writing campaign, follow-up

funny how y'all are stil skirting the manauvering speed issue.  So focused on protecting the flaw issue,  I keep saying manauvering speed, everyone says,  Huh?

too funny.



Juan

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Juan Vega Jr

Joined: 13 Jan 2009
Posts: 157

Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 4:38 pm Post subject: Recommended Letter-writing campaign, follow-up

SAbrina, by the way,  any aircraft that is at gross Max weight and aft CG, will have a pitch sensitivity issue.  There are some good case studies to review in AOPA's archives. Its just in the nature of every aircraft, even jets.  MOre so in fighter aircraft, they are specifically made tail heavy, as they can pitch in a turn at the drop of a hat. 



Zenith's issue I think with confidence, is that the folks flying it take it for granted,  its just that easy a plane to fly.  The plane needs to be slowed down to manauvering speed when in turbulance, and not flown over 103 mph when its rough out.  if fully loaded,  with full fuel, flying at 120 mph below the cloud line,  the plane will make you pay in the form of not only a rough ride but possibly a dry cleaning bill.



Your good at math and research,  check the numbers.





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n801bh(at)netzero.com
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Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 4:46 pm Post subject: Recommended Letter-writing campaign, follow-up

Ya Know... I just have to chime in. 

The Yuba City crash has extensive radar return data that clearly shows that plane going at or very close to the "MANAUVERING" speed... Tell us oh kind sir..... What broke that 601 XL apart. ????????

Ben Haas

N801BH

www.haaspowerair.com



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psm(at)att.net
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Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 5:01 pm Post subject: Recommended Letter-writing campaign, follow-up

Hi Juan,



What you are saying is absolutely true.  Unfortunately, it is true for every airplane design and not specific to the Zodiac XL.



Before you can convince me that there is no design problem in the XL you need to explain the unusually high failure rate of the XLs.



It is easy to make excuses like poor pilot training, poor maintenance, poor quality in the construction (although you need to explain the wide differences in factory and home built planes that have failed) or a lot of other possible problems like failure to reduce to Va in turbulence.  In the end, these just muddy the basic question of why it is only Zodiac XLs that suffer from these problems.



Paul

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sabrina

Joined: 15 Jun 2009
Posts: 170

Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 6:55 pm Post subject: Re: Recommended Letter-writing campaign, follow-up

Do Not Archive

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ggower_99(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 9:56 pm Post subject: Recommended Letter-writing campaign, follow-up

Also lets not forget Weather...  Learning how to read, understand and avoid bad weather is as important (at least in mountain areas like ours) as learning how to fly.

  

 Saludos

 Gary Gower

  

 



--- On Sat, 2/6/10, Dan Wilde <dwilde(at)clearwire.net> wrote:



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From: Dan Wilde <dwilde(at)clearwire.net>

Subject: Re: Re: Recommended Letter-writing campaign, follow-up

To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Saturday, February 6, 2010, 1:48 PM



 --> Zenith-List message posted by: Dan Wilde <dwilde(at)clearwire.net (dwilde(at)clearwire.net)>



Sabrina wrote:

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		      Trained, even over trained on this issue, might be a good thing.

 

 

 

 

   

I just read an article in a recent EAA newsletter that may pertain to this issue.  The study found that the less you know about something, the more you think you know.  The article was relating to UL pilots who would take just enough training to learn how to land and then stop taking lessons because they felt they knew enough to fly on their own.  As a former UL pilot I saw this attitude more than once and also saw the tragic results. 
	


Knowledge and training are good things and not to be avoided.



Dan p;  --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List

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Juan Vega Jr

Joined: 13 Jan 2009
Posts: 157

Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 10:36 am Post subject: Recommended Letter-writing campaign, follow-up

to your last two quewstions, nope and nope

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Juan Vega Jr

Joined: 13 Jan 2009
Posts: 157

Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 10:45 am Post subject: Recommended Letter-writing campaign, follow-up

if yu read the wind conditions at the time of the crash, the plane was on the leward side of the mountain with gusts up to30 +knots.  

sincerley 

 Oh kind sir, Jr.

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n801bh(at)netzero.com
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Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 2:46 pm Post subject: Recommended Letter-writing campaign, follow-up

Yeah,, That's why a good pilot slows down to manauvering speed, The plane 'should' stall before the airframe breaks.. But the radar data showed a climb.. Hmmm,, maybe that's the way planes stall in california, they go up. <G>. 

my last comment on this. 

do not archive

Ben Haas

N801BH

www.haaspowerair.com



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purplemoon99(at)bellsouth
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Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 5:05 pm Post subject: Recommended Letter-writing campaign, follow-up

Ben ,I'am with you ben same ole shit from the same old shit heads, day in and day  out the exact reason that all you ever see is  Kobe,KOBE  ON THIS LIST ANY MORE, AT LEAST THEY HAVE SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE TO TALK ABOUT INSTEAD OF THE SAME OLD 5 YEAR  Old  crap   Joe N101HD

   From: "n801bh(at)netzero.com" <n801bh(at)netzero.com>

To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com

Sent: Sun, February 7, 2010 5:32:43 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Recommended Letter-writing campaign, follow-up

Yeah,, That's why a good pilot slows down to manauvering speed, The plane 'should' stall before the airframe breaks.. But the radar data showed a climb.. Hmmm,, maybe that's the way planes stall in california, they go up. <G>. 

my last comment on this. 

do not archive

Ben Haas

N801BH

www.haaspowerair.com

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Juan Vega Jr

Joined: 13 Jan 2009
Posts: 157

Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 5:55 pm Post subject: Recommended Letter-writing campaign, follow-up

my emailing and beer drinkin judt dont mix.  Who Dat!



Juan,  



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