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Guy Buchanan

Joined: 16 Jul 2006
Posts: 1204
Location: Ramona, CA

Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 9:04 am Post subject: Political Discussion

Oh my. I apologize to the list for not picking this up. My email software strips the signatures. 



 I don't want the list to think we will start tolerating political discussion and I ask all to refrain from overt political expression. With apologies to the First Amendment, knowing there are other, more applicable, forums for political expression it's just not worth splitting the list over it.



 Thank you,



 Guy Buchanan, Kitfox List Moderator

 San Diego, CA

 K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 400 hrs. and counting 



 

 [quote]-- 

 Paul A. Franz

 Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT

 Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP

 Bellevue WA

 

 "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect

 Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for

 the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the

 Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and

 establish this Constitution for the United States of America. ...

 Done ... the seventeenth day of September, in the year of our LORD

 one thousand seven hundred and eighty seven."

 -- George Washington and the Signers



 "The Modern Liberal believes in the supremacy of the state, thereby

 rejecting the principles of the Declaration and the order of the civil

 society, in whole or part. For the Modern Liberal, the individual's

 imperfection and personal pursuits impede the objective of a utopian

 state. In this, Modern Liberalism promotes what French historian Alexis

 de Tocqueville described as a soft tyranny, which becomes increasingly

 more oppressive, potentially leading to a hard tyranny (some form of

 totalitarianism). As the word 'liberal' is, in its classical meaning,

 the opposite of authoritarian, it is more accurate, therefore, to

 characterize the Modern Liberal as a Statist. ... The Statist ... knows

 that despite his successful usurpations, enough citizens are still

 skeptical and even distrustful of politicians and government that he

 cannot force his will all at once. Thus he marches in incremental

 steps, adjusting his pace as circumstances dictate. Today his pace is

 more rapid, for resistance has slowed. ... The Conservative does not

 despise government. He despises tyranny. This is precisely why the

 Conservative reveres the Constitution and insists on adherence to it.

 An 'effective' government that operates outside its constitutional

 limitations is a dangerous government. ... The Conservative is alarmed

 by the ascent of a soft tyranny.... He knows that liberty once lost is

 rarely recovered. He knows of the decline and eventual failure of past

 republics. And he knows that the best prescription for addressing

 society's real and perceived ailments is not to further empower an

 already enormous federal government beyond its constitutional limits,

 but to return to the founding principles. A free people living in a

 civil society, working in self-interested cooperation, and a government

 operating within the limits of its authority promote more prosperity,

 opportunity, and happiness for more people than any alternative.

 Conservatism is the antidote to tyranny precisely because its

 principles are the founding principles."

 -- author and radio talk-show host Mark Levin in his book "Liberty and Tyranny"



 

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Deceased K-IV 1200
A glider pilot too.

Pat Reilly

Joined: 06 Aug 2009
Posts: 345

Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 2:46 pm Post subject: Political Discussion

Guy, Where have you been? Paul has been including founders quotes and political views after his message ever since I met him here on this site about a year ago. They are always included as a post script. I agree I don't want to see the list split. But if it does,.... I'm going with the faction that includes Paul. 

   

 Pat Reilly

 Mod 3 582 Rebuild

 Rockford, IL

  

 On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Guy Buchanan <bnn(at)nethere.com (bnn(at)nethere.com)> wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		   Oh my. I apologize to the list for not picking this up. My email software strips the signatures. 



I don't want the list to think we will start tolerating political discussion and I ask all to refrain from overt political expression. With apologies to the First Amendment, knowing there are other, more applicable, forums for political expression it's just not worth splitting the list over it.

 

Thank you,



Guy Buchanan, Kitfox List Moderator

San Diego, CA

K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 400 hrs. and counting 

  	  Quote: 	
		  -- 

Paul A. Franz

Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT

Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP

Bellevue WA



"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect

 Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for

the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the

Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and

establish this Constitution for the United States of America. ...

 Done ... the seventeenth day of September, in the year of our LORD

one thousand seven hundred and eighty seven."

-- George Washington and the Signers



"The Modern Liberal believes in the supremacy of the state, thereby

 rejecting the principles of the Declaration and the order of the civil

society, in whole or part. For the Modern Liberal, the individual's

imperfection and personal pursuits impede the objective of a utopian

 state. In this, Modern Liberalism promotes what French historian Alexis

de Tocqueville described as a soft tyranny, which becomes increasingly

more oppressive, potentially leading to a hard tyranny (some form of

 totalitarianism). As the word 'liberal' is, in its classical meaning,

the opposite of authoritarian, it is more accurate, therefore, to

characterize the Modern Liberal as a Statist. ... The Statist ... knows

 that despite his successful usurpations, enough citizens are still

skeptical and even distrustful of politicians and government that he

cannot force his will all at once. Thus he marches in incremental

steps, adjusting his pace as circumstances dictate. Today his pace is

 more rapid, for resistance has slowed. ... The Conservative does not

despise government. He despises tyranny. This is precisely why the

Conservative reveres the Constitution and insists on adherence to it.

An 'effective' government that operates outside its constitutional

 limitations is a dangerous government. ... The Conservative is alarmed

by the ascent of a soft tyranny.... He knows that liberty once lost is

rarely recovered. He knows of the decline and eventual failure of past

 republics. And he knows that the best prescription for addressing

society's real and perceived ailments is not to further empower an

already enormous federal government beyond its constitutional limits,

but to return to the founding principles. A free people living in a

 civil society, working in self-interested cooperation, and a government

operating within the limits of its authority promote more prosperity,

opportunity, and happiness for more people than any alternative.

Conservatism is the antidote to tyranny precisely because its

 principles are the founding principles."

-- author and radio talk-show host Mark Levin in his book "Liberty and Tyranny"

Kitfox-List Email Forum -

http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List

 - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -

http://forums.matronics.com

- List Contribution Web Site -

-Matt Dralle, List Admin.

http://www.matronics.com/contribution

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-- 

Pat Reilly

Mod 3 582 Rebuild

Rockford,IL

  [quote][b]

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Guy Buchanan

Joined: 16 Jul 2006
Posts: 1204
Location: Ramona, CA

Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 4:21 pm Post subject: Political Discussion

At 02:31 PM 2/8/2010, you wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		  Guy, Where have you been? Paul has been including founders quotes and political views after his message ever since I met him here on this site about a year ago. They are always included as a post script. I agree I don't want to see the list split. But if it does,.... I'm going with the faction that includes Paul. 	


 All,

         I replied to Pat off-line. Again I apologize if I missed some similar previous signatures, it seems my software hides them for some reason. Please do not think I am picking on Paul or his views. This signature was way longer and way more political than anything I remember seeing previously. Founder's quotes I can handle. I can't handle political diatribes of any flavor. Again, if you want to talk politics, either directly or indirectly, please take it off-line.



 Thank you,



 

 Guy Buchanan, Kitfox List Moderator

 San Diego, CA

 K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 400 hrs. and counting     [quote][b]

- The Matronics Kitfox-List Email Forum -

Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:

http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kitfox-List

_________________
Guy Buchanan
Deceased K-IV 1200
A glider pilot too.

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