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Is there a need to have the fiberglass tips removable and is it a good idea to reinforce the 1/2 inch edge with carbon fiber to hold the fasteners
Russell Shavitz
Shavitz Heating & Air Conditioning
4849 Main Street, Skokie, IL 60077
office: 847-678-1000
cell: 847-417-6622
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AV8ORJWC
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| Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 12:11 pm Post subject: fiberglass tips |
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Carbon fiber, unlike fiberglass cloth promotes corrosion of some fasteners. All decisions contain trade-offs.
John
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| Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 12:30 pm Post subject: fiberglass tips |
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I've had mine off many times. Mine have landing lights, strobes, nav lights, two antennas, and a magnetometer in them. The OAT probes and AOA ports are just inboard. Plus you get a really nice view inside the wing for inspections.
I used the standard construction without any reinforcement and they're holding up very well.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Russell Shavitz <rashvac(at)earthlink.net (rashvac(at)earthlink.net)> wrote:
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Is there a need to have the fiberglass tips removable and is it a good idea to reinforce the 1/2 inch edge with carbon fiber to hold the fasteners
Russell Shavitz
Shavitz Heating & Air Conditioning
4849 Main Street, Skokie, IL 60077
office: 847-678-1000
cell: 847-417-6622
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| Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 3:26 pm Post subject: fiberglass tips |
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I drew the trim line on my tips and used a Fein to cut it off. I then had a nice 1" wide strip of trimmed off material that I sanded the jell coat side rough, sanded the inside of the tip rough, then floxed the strip in as a doubler and clamped it every 2" with spring clamps. After cure I cleaned up the squeeze out and squared up the edge again with a file and fitted the tip. Drilled and clecoed as I went along , then final drilled the screw holes, removed the tip and installed the nutplates in a nice double thick lip. I would have liked a 5/8-3/4" recess for the tip instead of the 1/2" Vans provides, so I feel much better with the edge doubled up on thickness. I used the factory wing tip landing lights and left enough service loop in the wiring that I should be able to do all light maintenance with the tip still on working through the landing light cutout.
David Clifford
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Empennage Done
Engine Overhauled & Pickled
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Kelly McMullen
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| Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 7:16 pm Post subject: fiberglass tips |
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What are your thoughts of using clickbond nutplates to avoid having
all the rivet holes in the fiberglass?
On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 1:20 PM, Dave Saylor
<dave.saylor.aircrafters(at)gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | I've had mine off many times. Mine have landing lights, strobes, nav
lights, two antennas, and a magnetometer in them. The OAT probes and AOA
ports are just inboard. Plus you get a really nice view inside the wing for
inspections.
I used the standard construction without any reinforcement and they're
holding up very well.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
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LarryRosen
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| Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 8:31 pm Post subject: fiberglass tips |
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Perfect application for the click bond nut plates. Just an expensive
way to go.
Larry
Kelly McMullen wrote:
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What are your thoughts of using clickbond nutplates to avoid having
all the rivet holes in the fiberglass?
On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 1:20 PM, Dave Saylor
<dave.saylor.aircrafters(at)gmail.com> wrote:
> I've had mine off many times. Mine have landing lights, strobes, nav
> lights, two antennas, and a magnetometer in them. The OAT probes and AOA
> ports are just inboard. Plus you get a really nice view inside the wing for
> inspections.
>
> I used the standard construction without any reinforcement and they're
> holding up very well.
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> Dave Saylor
> AirCrafters LLC
> 140 Aviation Way
> Watsonville, CA 95076
> 831-722-9141 Shop
> 831-750-0284 Cell
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greghale
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| Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 8:35 pm Post subject: Re: fiberglass tips |
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I have used the clickbond nutplates and fasteners throughout my project. The nutplates are great in areas where you can't rivet like the bulkhead behind the instrument panel. They are a little more expensive, but they should work fine on the tips.
Greg Hale
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dave.saylor.aircrafters(a
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| Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 9:01 pm Post subject: fiberglass tips |
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What Larry said--they're great time savers and they install very nicely. Pretty expensive, though. A hand squeezer is the right tool for riveting the nutplates onto the tips, not a rivet gun, and just be gentle with it. It doesn't take much to set those tiny rivets. You don't need to back it up with aluminum strip like the cabin top uses. The nut plate takes care of that.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Larry Rosen <N205EN(at)gmail.com (N205EN(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
[quote] --> RV10-List message posted by: Larry Rosen <N205EN(at)gmail.com (N205EN(at)gmail.com)>
Perfect application for the click bond nut plates. Just an expensive way to go.
Larry
Kelly McMullen wrote:
| Quote: | --> RV10-List message posted by: Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com (apilot2(at)gmail.com)>
What are your thoughts of using clickbond nutplates to avoid having
all the rivet holes in the fiberglass?
On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 1:20 PM, Dave Saylor
<dave.saylor.aircrafters(at)gmail.com (dave.saylor.aircrafters(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | I've had mine off many times. Mine have landing lights, strobes, nav
lights, two antennas, and a magnetometer in them. The OAT probes and AOA
ports are just inboard. Plus you get a really nice view inside the wing for
inspections.
I used the standard construction without any reinforcement and they're
holding up very well.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
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David Shelton
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| Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 9:47 pm Post subject: Re: fiberglass tips |
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Hi Russell, I'm from your neck of the woods. We're thinking about having an RV-10 gathering at Poplar Grove. I'll send you an E-mail after we do some more planning.
I think everyone said it already... the stock arrangement is just fine and Click-Bond is great but expensive. You shouldn't need any reinforcements as the wingtips feel very solid.
David Shelton
MotoPOD(at)gmail.com
www.MotorcyclePilot.com
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LarryRosen
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| Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 10:56 pm Post subject: fiberglass tips |
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To quantify expensive...
The Flight Shop <www.theflightshop.com> is a good supplier of all of the
click bond products. They have an RV "Wing Tip Rapid Installation Kit"
that includes 100 nutplates, adhesive, adhesive dispenser, solvent
wipes, abrasive pads, etc. A complete kit. It is $295.00 However, you
could install all the nut plates in less than an hour.
Larry
Dave Saylor wrote:
| Quote: | What Larry said--they're great time savers and they install very
nicely. Pretty expensive, though. A hand squeezer is the right tool
for riveting the nutplates onto the tips, not a rivet gun, and just be
gentle with it. It doesn't take much to set those tiny rivets. You
don't need to back it up with aluminum strip like the cabin top uses.
The nut plate takes care of that.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Larry Rosen <N205EN(at)gmail.com
<mailto:N205EN(at)gmail.com>> wrote:
<mailto:N205EN(at)gmail.com>>
Perfect application for the click bond nut plates. Just an
expensive way to go.
Larry
Kelly McMullen wrote:
<apilot2(at)gmail.com <mailto:apilot2(at)gmail.com>>
What are your thoughts of using clickbond nutplates to avoid
having
all the rivet holes in the fiberglass?
On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 1:20 PM, Dave Saylor
<dave.saylor.aircrafters(at)gmail.com
<mailto:dave.saylor.aircrafters(at)gmail.com>> wrote:
I've had mine off many times. Mine have landing lights,
strobes, nav
lights, two antennas, and a magnetometer in them. The OAT
probes and AOA
ports are just inboard. Plus you get a really nice view
inside the wing for
inspections.
I used the standard construction without any reinforcement
and they're
holding up very well.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
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dmaib(at)mac.com
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| Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 9:58 am Post subject: fiberglass tips |
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I had great luck with Click Bond nutplates wherever I used them. You
must follow the prep instructions closely and use the two part epoxy
they recommend. They are a bit pricey, but worth it in certain
locations.
David Maib
40559
flying
On Feb 8, 2010, at 10:14 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
What are your thoughts of using clickbond nutplates to avoid having
all the rivet holes in the fiberglass?
On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 1:20 PM, Dave Saylor
<dave.saylor.aircrafters(at)gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | I've had mine off many times. Mine have landing lights, strobes, nav
lights, two antennas, and a magnetometer in them. The OAT probes
and AOA
ports are just inboard. Plus you get a really nice view inside the
wing for
inspections.
I used the standard construction without any reinforcement and they're
holding up very well.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell
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