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Jetj01(at)aol.com
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So not turn and roll rate, that's true. And I'm quite sure not less take off roll or more climb rate. Or maybe more inverted capability, max G or maybe not even top speed. How do you have Doc's -50 beat? Carrying more than one person?
Just curious, my -50 wants to know too.
Jj
In a message dated 3/25/2010 7:23:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jblake207(at)comcast.net writes:
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OK Doc, I've been quite so far... I'll put my CJ up against ur '50 any day of the week... on anything but turn and roll rate... otherwise, I think I've got you beat!!!
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| Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 6:22 am Post subject: The Time has come.. |
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Fights On. You coming to the Maxwell Thunder over the River air show this weekend? The 52 is on display so the 50 will be free for a little 1 V 1.
Doc
From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jetj01(at)aol.com
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So not turn and roll rate, that's true. And I'm quite sure not less take off roll or more climb rate. Or maybe more inverted capability, max G or maybe not even top speed. How do you have Doc's -50 beat? Carrying more than one person?
Just curious, my -50 wants to know too.
Jj
In a message dated 3/25/2010 7:23:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jblake207(at)comcast.net writes:
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OK Doc, I've been quite so far... I'll put my CJ up against ur '50 any day of the week... on anything but turn and roll rate... otherwise, I think I've got you beat!!!
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mark.bitterlich(at)navy.m
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| Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 9:18 am Post subject: The Time has come.. |
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Doc, I think he is talking about... "ho hum" .... throttle to the
firewall how fast will it go? The CJ-6 is a clean airframe with a good
go-fast wing. With the right engine, in a simple straight and level BOY
OH BOY who goes faster competition, I think the CJ-6 might take the 50,
again only if it has a good engine on it. My bone stock YAK-50 will
still do 200 mph straight and level... But that's ALL it will do.
That's 360 HP, not 400. A two bladed paddle prop. Nothing else.
Stock.
Take off run: The 50 wins.
Roll Rate: The 50 wins.
Aerobatic capability: The 50 wins
Climb rate: The 50 wins.
Dog fight: The 50 wins, unless the pilot is really freaking lame.
G Limitations: The 50 wins.
Vne: The 50 wins. In a dive, the wings would come off the CJ
before the 50 reached never exceed speed.  (That's a smile folks)
Straight line go fast, nothing else... I think the CJ might just get the
50, but not by much if it did. Bone stock, firewalled, I do 174 knots.
The CJ is faster than that right? Very well could be. Now pull it into
anything other than straight and level and it becomes a dead meat
target.
And it carries two people. Cool.
Mark
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mark.bitterlich(at)navy.m
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| Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 9:40 am Post subject: The Time has come.. |
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My stock 50 does 200 mph. I believe that if I put a serious engine on
it, like say about 430 HP or so, and had a prop specifically built for
speed, then stripped the darn thing down even more, I might just get 220
mph out of the thing. That's darn close to T-6 speed. The "stock" T-6
speed is 200 mph. The stock YAK-50 speed is: 200 mph. I am not talking
about 52's. I am not talking about CJ's. I'm talking about a YAK-50.
Mark Bitterlich
P.s. I have done a little dog-fighting with a T-6 down in Florida.
It's a wonderful beautiful heavy airframe with a big 600 HP engine. I
want one! However, the 50 tears it a new rear end in 1 v 1. Period.
Not even close.
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mark.bitterlich(at)navy.m
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| Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 9:41 am Post subject: The Time has come.. |
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Huh? What? Snore......
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viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
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| Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 1:50 pm Post subject: The Time has come.. |
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Copy all and maybe so if It were a competition with an M-14 powered CJ but
not a Housi powered CJ. I'm figuring this race needs to be over a course.
TO, climb to 3500 ft, fly 25 miles to nearby air port (say Tallassee, Al),
do touch and go, climb back up to 3500 feet, RTB to 08A and land. The clock
stops with engine shut down in front of my hanger at 08A. An observer will
be at Tallassee and one at 08A. The Split times will be taken at time of
Touch and go and at shut down. Whoever makes it through the course the
fastest wins. The whole thing flown in uncontrolled airspace.
Doc
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| Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 1:59 pm Post subject: The Time has come.. |
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Roger
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| Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 2:15 pm Post subject: The Time has come.. |
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Copy Saber…we can do that. Lets get past the MXF Air show. U coming up?
Doc
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OK Doc, I've been quite so far... I'll put my CJ up against ur '50 any day of the week... on anything but turn and roll rate... otherwise, I think I've got you beat!!!
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| Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 4:01 pm Post subject: Re: The Time has come.. |
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| Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 4:01 pm Post subject: Re: The Time has come.. |
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Who cares...I'll wait for the picture to be posted
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| Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 6:10 pm Post subject: The Time has come.. |
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Mark,
Last year's #1 Qualifier at Reno, T-6 class was Six-Cat (at) 239.350
Miles and hour.
http://www.airrace.org/raceResultsQueryDisplay.php
So it would be interesting to see a CJ-6/Yak category racing at Reno.
It would definitely be cheaper to run an unlimited CJ-6/Yak then P-51/Sea Fury.
It could end up being the new Formula or Biplane class for the average pilot.
Although if anyone has a spare Sea Fury sitting around, I have an
extra R-4360 (rebuilt) looking for a home.
Think we can fit it on my Yak-52?
See You at Reno
John Fischer
California City, CA
At 10:40 AM 3/26/2010, you wrote:
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Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil>
My stock 50 does 200 mph. I believe that if I put a serious engine on
it, like say about 430 HP or so, and had a prop specifically built for
speed, then stripped the darn thing down even more, I might just get 220
mph out of the thing. That's darn close to T-6 speed. The "stock" T-6
speed is 200 mph. The stock YAK-50 speed is: 200 mph. I am not talking
about 52's. I am not talking about CJ's. I'm talking about a YAK-50.
Mark Bitterlich
P.s. I have done a little dog-fighting with a T-6 down in Florida.
It's a wonderful beautiful heavy airframe with a big 600 HP engine. I
want one! However, the 50 tears it a new rear end in 1 v 1. Period.
Not even close.
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keithmckinley
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| Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 8:56 pm Post subject: Re: The Time has come.. |
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Mark,
Talking acm....the 50 takes the CJ according to you. Ok, I'll give you thrust to weight , but what is your wing loading? Just curious, cause I can stomp on a 52 all day long with a stock 285 CJ.
Hey, I'll be in Cherry pit for the airshow...pick your wingman. I'll take you and another 50 against me and an another CJ...
You in?
S/F
Wizard
ps how about Doc he talks a big game! 
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| Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 9:30 pm Post subject: The Time has come.. |
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Against two CJs...ACM? Mark, you don't NEED a wingman! However wish I could be there! Doc, this is your neck of the woods!
To compare from my experience, it would be like ACM with F-16 or F-15 Vs. Tornado or F-111. With same Vs. Same pilot skills, NO CHANCE!
Really!
Jj
In a message dated 3/26/2010 11:57:40 P.M. Central Daylight Time, keith.mckinley(at)townisp.com writes:
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Mark,
Talking acm....the 50 takes the CJ according to you. Ok, I'll give you thrust to weight , but what is your wing loading? Just curious, cause I can stomp on a 52 all day long with a stock 285 CJ.
Hey, I'll be in Cherry pit for the airshow...pick your wingman. I'll take you and another 50 against me and an another CJ...
You in?
S/F
Wizard
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| Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 4:43 am Post subject: The Time has come.. |
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keithmckinley
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| Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 10:14 am Post subject: Re: The Time has come.. |
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first I have to take this abuse as a Harrier driver then in the A-10 and now in my poor little CJ. How can I go on.
It must be awesome to be you Jetjock.
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| Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 10:52 am Post subject: The Time has come.. |
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Nothing like taking a lap in testosterone.
On Mar 27, 2010, at 2:14 PM, keithmckinley wrote:
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| Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 1:17 pm Post subject: The Time has come.. |
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Now THAT is funny, and I know funny!
Jj
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first I have to take this abuse as a Harrier driver then in the A-10 and now in my poor little CJ. How can I go on.
It must be awesome to be you Jetjock.
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| Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 4:03 pm Post subject: The Time has come.. |
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Can’t say much for BFM with the CJ since I have not done that but with the Pits, RV, and the 52, the 50 was king kong.
Doc
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Against two CJs...ACM? Mark, you don't NEED a wingman! However wish I could be there! Doc, this is your neck of the woods!
To compare from my experience, it would be like ACM with F-16 or F-15 Vs. Tornado or F-111. With same Vs. Same pilot skills, NO CHANCE!
Really!
Jj
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Mark,
Talking acm....the 50 takes the CJ according to you. Ok, I'll give you thrust to weight , but what is your wing loading? Just curious, cause I can stomp on a 52 all day long with a stock 285 CJ.
Hey, I'll be in Cherry pit for the airshow...pick your wingman. I'll take you and another 50 against me and an another CJ...
You in?
S/F
Wizard
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| Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 5:05 pm Post subject: Re: The Time has come.. |
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Ah yes...all kidding, chain pulling, and trash talking aside...
Mark and Doc if you guys are around it would be great fun. I suppose we could start off with some canned setups, some 1 V 1 and if we are all comfy with safety and skill sets, 2 V 2. Never get to see the 50 in a 1 V 1 and a 2 V 2 would be awesome.....
And yes of course the CJ is outmatched by the 50.....
You can let me know off line if you like...
Keith
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| Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 2:35 pm Post subject: The Time has come.. |
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Thanks for your answer John.
I honestly think a 10% increase in speed is possible for a YAK-50 if someone did some serious work on it. I am talking gap seals, some fairings on the main landing gear when they are up, ... other drag reduction mods. I honestly believe a YAK-50 could be made to go faster than an AT-6 // SNJ And it can really turn too. Gosh.. it is exciting to think about it, at least for me.
Mark
p.s. I have two Sea Fury drop tanks sitting here in my hangar. Seriously. I do. They are fitted to go on my UTVA-66, but otherwise are stock. . Let me know if you find a Sea Fury owner that ever seriously wants them. Seriously meaning.... I am not giving THESE puppy dogs away.
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From: John Fischer <fish(at)aviation-tech.com>
Subject: Re: The Time has come..
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Friday, March 26, 2010, 9:48 PM
Mark,
Last year's #1 Qualifier at Reno, T-6 class was Six-Cat (at) 239.350
Miles and hour.
http://www.airrace.org/raceResultsQueryDisplay.php
So it would be interesting to see a CJ-6/Yak category racing at Reno.
It would definitely be cheaper to run an unlimited CJ-6/Yak then P-51/Sea Fury.
It could end up being the new Formula or Biplane class for the average pilot.
Although if anyone has a spare Sea Fury sitting around, I have an
extra R-4360 (rebuilt) looking for a home.
Think we can fit it on my Yak-52?
See You at Reno
John Fischer
California City, CA
At 10:40 AM 3/26/2010, you wrote:
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Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil>
My stock 50 does 200 mph. I believe that if I put a serious engine on
it, like say about 430 HP or so, and had a prop specifically built for
speed, then stripped the darn thing down even more, I might just get 220
mph out of the thing. That's darn close to T-6 speed. The "stock" T-6
speed is 200 mph. The stock YAK-50 speed is: 200 mph. I am not talking
about 52's. I am not talking about CJ's. I'm talking about a YAK-50.
Mark Bitterlich
P.s. I have done a little dog-fighting with a T-6 down in Florida.
It's a wonderful beautiful heavy airframe with a big 600 HP engine. I
want one! However, the 50 tears it a new rear end in 1 v 1. Period.
Not even close.
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