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Can anyone help me get in touch with the folks at Loehle. I have been
trying to order some product for about a week and can't seem to get an
order into the website, an answer to email, or a message on their
phone. I'm hoping they just may be on vacation in which case I can
wait...but want to make sure I'm not missing something.
Thanks
Bill "FG dust (cont)" Watson
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| Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 1:11 pm Post subject: Contact for Loehle products |
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i've bought a lot of stuff from them and never had much luck with the web site or the fax. Fax usually not plugged in. Call between 9 to 11:30 and 1:30 to 4 CST got me the best luck. Also other times but those were the best. Dan
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From: MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Contact for Loehle products
Can anyone help me get in touch with the folks at Loehle. I have been
trying to order some product for about a week and can't seem to get an
order into the website, an answer to email, or a message on their
phone. I'm hoping they just may be on vacation in which case I can
wait...but want to make sure I'm not missing something.
Thanks
Bill "FG dust (cont)" Watson
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| Posted: Wed May 19, 2010 5:18 pm Post subject: Re: Contact for Loehle products |
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Bill,
I tried for two months with no results. I do know that the principal owner died and that it was a family owned/operated business. I finally gave up under the assumption that the business is apparently falling apart.
John
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| Posted: Wed May 19, 2010 5:54 pm Post subject: Contact for Loehle products |
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Not true.
Mike's dad passed away, but Mike and Sandy are working hard.
Mike painted my bird 2 years ago and did an outstanding job.
grumpy
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Bill,
I tried for two months with no results. I do know that the principal
owner died and that it was a family owned/operated business. I
finally gave up under the assumption that the business is apparently
falling apart.
John
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| Posted: Wed May 19, 2010 6:06 pm Post subject: Contact for Loehle products |
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About how much does he charge to paint an RV10?
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On May 19, 2010, at 8:54 PM, Miller John <gengrumpy(at)aol.com> wrote:
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Not true.
Mike's dad passed away, but Mike and Sandy are working hard.
Mike painted my bird 2 years ago and did an outstanding job.
grumpy
N184JM
On May 19, 2010, at 8:18 PM, johngoodman wrote:
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> Bill,
> I tried for two months with no results. I do know that the
> principal owner died and that it was a family owned/operated
> business. I finally gave up under the assumption that the business
> is apparently falling apart.
> John
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> Read this topic online here:
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gengrumpy(at)aol.com
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| Posted: Wed May 19, 2010 6:10 pm Post subject: Contact for Loehle products |
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Varies depending on how much prep work he has to do.
On May 19, 2010, at 9:02 PM, Kevin Belue wrote:
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About how much does he charge to paint an RV10?
Sent from my iPhone
On May 19, 2010, at 8:54 PM, Miller John <gengrumpy(at)aol.com> wrote:
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> Not true.
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> Mike's dad passed away, but Mike and Sandy are working hard.
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> Mike painted my bird 2 years ago and did an outstanding job.
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> grumpy
> N184JM
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> On May 19, 2010, at 8:18 PM, johngoodman wrote:
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>> Bill,
>> I tried for two months with no results. I do know that the
>> principal owner died and that it was a family owned/operated
>> business. I finally gave up under the assumption that the business
>> is apparently falling apart.
>> John
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>> #40572 QB. Working on Cowling & Panel
>> N711JG reserved
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| Posted: Wed May 19, 2010 6:16 pm Post subject: Re: Contact for Loehle products |
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Grumpy,
I apologize if I have made a false statement. I was merely responding to Bill that I had the same experience he has had, and gave my assumption that prompted me to quit calling.
John
| Quote: | Not true.
Mike's dad passed away, but Mike and Sandy are working hard.
Mike painted my bird 2 years ago and did an outstanding job.
grumpy
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ricksked(at)cox.net
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| Posted: Wed May 19, 2010 7:07 pm Post subject: Contact for Loehle products |
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I used thier paint on my RV with mixed results. Loved the wonderfil
and primer, the paint was very hard to control the orange peel but we
kept it to a minimum by careful ratios of thinner. That said the paint
buffs and colors sands like a champ. Mike's dad passed away in the
middle of my paint project but I was always able to get his wife on
the phone to order more supplies. They were good to deal with and I
can't fault them on my experience. FWIW wonderfil is an Akzo Noble
product packaged by Loehle. I used both and if they aren't the same
stuff then sue me. If I had to do it again (I'm planning to) I would
use a Dupont base/clear system, much more tolerant to temps. Flamers
back off, I have lots of time behind a spray gun to make that call.
The reason I went with Loehle was it's was single stage poly and I
know what a bitch it is to touch up basecoat/clearcoat.
Rick Sked
N246RS
Sent from my iPhone
On May 19, 2010, at 7:16 PM, "johngoodman" <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net>
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Grumpy,
I apologize if I have made a false statement. I was merely
responding to Bill that I had the same experience he has had, and
gave my assumption that prompted me to quit calling.
John
> Not true.
>
> Mike's dad passed away, but Mike and Sandy are working hard.
>
> Mike painted my bird 2 years ago and did an outstanding job.
>
> grumpy
> N184JM
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N711JG reserved
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MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com
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| Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 7:07 am Post subject: Contact for Loehle products |
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I did make contact with Sandy and placed an order. Thanks all.
I'm going to use their Wonderfill product and filler for the initial FG
prep. I'm still on the fence on urethane paint - single stage versus
base/clear coat (Loehle). Single stage just seems easier with
comparable results. However, I'd love to re-finish my Maule with
Loehle's product but I'm just dreaming...
Bill.
Miller John wrote:
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Not true.
Mike's dad passed away, but Mike and Sandy are working hard.
Mike painted my bird 2 years ago and did an outstanding job.
grumpy
N184JM
On May 19, 2010, at 8:18 PM, johngoodman wrote:
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> <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net>
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> Bill,
> I tried for two months with no results. I do know that the principal
> owner died and that it was a family owned/operated business. I
> finally gave up under the assumption that the business is apparently
> falling apart.
> John
>
> --------
> #40572 QB. Working on Cowling & Panel
> N711JG reserved
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=298244#298244
>
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MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com
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| Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 7:34 am Post subject: Contact for Loehle products |
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Maybe I'm confused or their product has evolved, but Loehle describes
their paint product as a bc/cc product now. Sandy says that you can
just use the base coat like a single stage but recommends the clear coat.
Anyway Rick, maybe you can shed a little light on paint for me. It kind
of dawned on me that having a local distributor to work with could be
valuable. So I've visited a couple - one distributing BASF products,
another Dupont. I talked to the Dupont guy and asked about the aircraft
line of coatings. After some research, he came back and said that he
doesn't really have access/experience with those but he recommended some
of their top of the line auto type coatings (Elite I think) saying they
were close to equivalent. He also told me who could sell me the
aircraft stuff but they were all out of state. Using a good auto paint
from Dupont or PPG or BASF sounds like a sound strategy to me.
Having said that, Loehle has put together a great "how-to" package and
is clearly focused on the experimental AC market. I'd feel comfortable
working with them and their products simply because they know exactly
what I'm trying to do.
Can you say a bit more about how you'd do it next time and why?
Especially why Dupont bc/cc versus Dupont single stage?
Bill "learning that painting is a whole 'nother world and kind of
looking forward to the challenge" Watson
Rick wrote:
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I used thier paint on my RV with mixed results. Loved the wonderfil
and primer, the paint was very hard to control the orange peel but we
kept it to a minimum by careful ratios of thinner. That said the paint
buffs and colors sands like a champ. Mike's dad passed away in the
middle of my paint project but I was always able to get his wife on
the phone to order more supplies. They were good to deal with and I
can't fault them on my experience. FWIW wonderfil is an Akzo Noble
product packaged by Loehle. I used both and if they aren't the same
stuff then sue me. If I had to do it again (I'm planning to) I would
use a Dupont base/clear system, much more tolerant to temps. Flamers
back off, I have lots of time behind a spray gun to make that call.
The reason I went with Loehle was it's was single stage poly and I
know what a bitch it is to touch up basecoat/clearcoat.
Rick Sked
N246RS
Sent from my iPhone
On May 19, 2010, at 7:16 PM, "johngoodman" <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net>
wrote:
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> <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net>
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> Grumpy,
> I apologize if I have made a false statement. I was merely responding
> to Bill that I had the same experience he has had, and gave my
> assumption that prompted me to quit calling.
> John
>> Not true.
>>
>> Mike's dad passed away, but Mike and Sandy are working hard.
>>
>> Mike painted my bird 2 years ago and did an outstanding job.
>>
>> grumpy
>> N184JM
> --------
> #40572 QB. Working on Cowling & Panel
> N711JG reserved
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=298256#298256
>
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| Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 7:40 am Post subject: Contact for Loehle products |
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I can tell you from personal experience that the paint system really works well for beginners as well as pros. I have never painted before and my -10 is coming out really well. i was concerned about the orange peel I was getting. But it sands out easily. One of my friends had a pro do his and they just shot the clear coat over the orange peel and it looks great. Unbelievable how shiny it gets. I'm using a lot of black (which is the hardest color to make look good) and it's so shiny with the top coat on you could shave in the shine. If I can do it so could most folks. Now if I can find a way to keep the damn bugs off of it. You'd think it was sugar the way the bugs show up right after you spray!
[quote] Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 11:04:45 -0400
From: MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Re: Contact for Loehle products
--> RV10-List message posted by: Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>
I did make contact with Sandy and placed an order. Thanks all.
I'm going to use their Wonderfill product and filler for the initial FG
prep. I'm still on the fence on urethane paint - single stage versus
base/clear coat (Loehle). Single stage just seems easier with
comparable results. However, I'd love to re-finish my Maule with
Loehle's product but I'm just dreaming...
Bill.
Miller John wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Miller John <gengrumpy(at)aol.com>
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> Not true.
>
> Mike's dad passed away, but Mike and Sandy are working hard.
>
> Mike painted my bird 2 years ago and did an outstanding job.
>
> grumpy
> N184JM
>
> On May 19, 2010, at 8:18 PM, johngoodman wrote:
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>> --> RV10-List message posted by: "johngoodman"
>> <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net>
>>
>> Bill,
>> I tried for two months with no results. I do know that the principal
>> owner died and that it was a family owned/operated business. I
>> finally gave up under the assumption that the business is apparently
>> falling apart.
>> John
>>
>> --------
>> #40572 QB. Working on Cowling & Panel
>> N711JG reserved
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=298244#298244
>>
>>
>>
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| Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 8:07 am Post subject: Contact for Loehle products |
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Their paint is a two part polyurethane with an optional clear coat. I do recommend the clear coat for durability and overall shine and the ability to sand and polish any blemishes. The paint has pretty high solid count and requires precise thinning with the correct temp thinner. I can tell you if you try to spray with the temps in the 80's with thinner rated at 75 you can't just add more thinner, you need to buy thinner from them for 80 degrees. More of a hassle than anything. I started painting in mid April and finished the first part of June. In Las Vegas that meant I needed four different temperature ranges of thinner. I think their product is OK, I do think there are better options out there if for the only reason to have a local supplier and technical source nearby. I have shot several other systems and unless I read their application instructions wrong it was one of the most temperamental paints I've used. Standard basecoat/clearcoat is a flat color, high gloss clear. Loehle is NOT a standard basecoat/clearcoat. Their clear is much thicker than normal but it really shot OK, DuPont clearcoat is thinner and you need some practice to get it to flow just right before it runs, but it's not that bad. One thing about painting airplanes vs. cars I've done, there are a bunch more sides/corners/concave/convex surfaces to deal with, a hose tender/painting partner a must, and I credit my success to my friend Shane McMurray. He has been a painter for years and without his help I don't know if we could have overcome the initial orange peel. I thought maybe it was the spray rig but we painted the wheel pants with DuPont single stage poly and they came our great. Grumpys plane looks fantastic and Mike knows his product best and that played a big factor. The best part about painting myself is the paint job cost me just under $4000.00 in material, that includes building a paint booth from PVC and visqueen and lots of masking and sanding materials. It also took twice as long as I thought. So to make a long story shor!
t. I wou
ld use another product next time, but I do like the filler, and you have options on that as well.
http://www.anac.com/products/DataSheets/28c1.pdf
Rick Sked
N246RS
---- Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com> wrote:
| Quote: |
Maybe I'm confused or their product has evolved, but Loehle describes
their paint product as a bc/cc product now. Sandy says that you can
just use the base coat like a single stage but recommends the clear coat.
Anyway Rick, maybe you can shed a little light on paint for me. It kind
of dawned on me that having a local distributor to work with could be
valuable. So I've visited a couple - one distributing BASF products,
another Dupont. I talked to the Dupont guy and asked about the aircraft
line of coatings. After some research, he came back and said that he
doesn't really have access/experience with those but he recommended some
of their top of the line auto type coatings (Elite I think) saying they
were close to equivalent. He also told me who could sell me the
aircraft stuff but they were all out of state. Using a good auto paint
from Dupont or PPG or BASF sounds like a sound strategy to me.
Having said that, Loehle has put together a great "how-to" package and
is clearly focused on the experimental AC market. I'd feel comfortable
working with them and their products simply because they know exactly
what I'm trying to do.
Can you say a bit more about how you'd do it next time and why?
Especially why Dupont bc/cc versus Dupont single stage?
Bill "learning that painting is a whole 'nother world and kind of
looking forward to the challenge" Watson
Rick wrote:
>
>
> I used thier paint on my RV with mixed results. Loved the wonderfil
> and primer, the paint was very hard to control the orange peel but we
> kept it to a minimum by careful ratios of thinner. That said the paint
> buffs and colors sands like a champ. Mike's dad passed away in the
> middle of my paint project but I was always able to get his wife on
> the phone to order more supplies. They were good to deal with and I
> can't fault them on my experience. FWIW wonderfil is an Akzo Noble
> product packaged by Loehle. I used both and if they aren't the same
> stuff then sue me. If I had to do it again (I'm planning to) I would
> use a Dupont base/clear system, much more tolerant to temps. Flamers
> back off, I have lots of time behind a spray gun to make that call.
> The reason I went with Loehle was it's was single stage poly and I
> know what a bitch it is to touch up basecoat/clearcoat.
>
> Rick Sked
> N246RS
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 19, 2010, at 7:16 PM, "johngoodman" <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net>
>>
>> Grumpy,
>> I apologize if I have made a false statement. I was merely responding
>> to Bill that I had the same experience he has had, and gave my
>> assumption that prompted me to quit calling.
>> John
>>
>>
>>> Not true.
>>>
>>> Mike's dad passed away, but Mike and Sandy are working hard.
>>>
>>> Mike painted my bird 2 years ago and did an outstanding job.
>>>
>>> grumpy
>>> N184JM
>>
>>
>> --------
>> #40572 QB. Working on Cowling & Panel
>> N711JG reserved
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=298256#298256
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>>
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| Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 9:43 am Post subject: Contact for Loehle products |
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Can you use Lohle's primer and a standard single stage poly over it? I asked Lohle when I spoke with them, but they were obviously pushing the use of their paint. I really like their wonderfill and primer, but I've heard mixed reviews about the paint. I'm a fairly poor painter (you can tell when I've painted a car, because my signature - a nice big run - is usually in evidence) and I need all the help I can get with ease of use.
c
On May 20, 2010, at 9:06 AM, ricksked(at)cox.net (ricksked(at)cox.net) wrote:
[quote]--> RV10-List message posted by: <ricksked(at)cox.net (ricksked(at)cox.net)>
Their paint is a two part polyurethane with an optional clear coat. I do recommend the clear coat for durability and overall shine and the ability to sand and polish any blemishes. The paint has pretty high solid count and requires precise thinning with the correct temp thinner. I can tell you if you try to spray with the temps in the 80's with thinner rated at 75 you can't just add more thinner, you need to buy thinner from them for 80 degrees. More of a hassle than anything. I started painting in mid April and finished the first part of June. In Las Vegas that meant I needed four different temperature ranges of thinner. I think their product is OK, I do think there are better options out there if for the only reason to have a local supplier and technical source nearby. I have shot several other systems and unless I read their application instructions wrong it was one of the most temperamental paints I've used. Standard basecoat/clearcoat is a flat color, high gloss clear. !
Loehle is NOT a standard basecoat/clearcoat. Their clear is much thicker than normal but it really shot OK, DuPont clearcoat is thinner and you need some practice to get it to flow just right before it runs, but it's not that bad. One thing about painting airplanes vs. cars I've done, there are a bunch more sides/corners/concave/convex surfaces to deal with, a hose tender/painting partner a must, and I credit my success to my friend Shane McMurray. He has been a painter for years and without his help I don't know if we could have overcome the initial orange peel. I thought maybe it was the spray rig but we painted the wheel pants with DuPont single stage poly and they came our great. Grumpys plane looks fantastic and Mike knows his product best and that played a big factor. The best part about painting myself is the paint job cost me just under $4000.00 in material, that includes building a paint booth from PVC and visqueen and lots of masking and sanding materials. It also!
took twice as long as I thought. So to make a long story shor!
t. I wou
ld use another product next time, but I do like the filler, and you have options on that as well.
http://www.anac.com/products/DataSheets/28c1.pdf
Rick Sked
N246RS
---- Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com (MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | --> RV10-List message posted by: Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com (MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com)>
Maybe I'm confused or their product has evolved, but Loehle describes
their paint product as a bc/cc product now. Sandy says that you can
just use the base coat like a single stage but recommends the clear coat.
Anyway Rick, maybe you can shed a little light on paint for me. It kind
of dawned on me that having a local distributor to work with could be
valuable. So I've visited a couple - one distributing BASF products,
another Dupont. I talked to the Dupont guy and asked about the aircraft
line of coatings. After some research, he came back and said that he
doesn't really have access/experience with those but he recommended some
of their top of the line auto type coatings (Elite I think) saying they
were close to equivalent. He also told me who could sell me the
aircraft stuff but they were all out of state. Using a good auto paint
from Dupont or PPG or BASF sounds like a sound strategy to me.
Having said that, Loehle has put together a great "how-to" package and
is clearly focused on the experimental AC market. I'd feel comfortable
working with them and their products simply because they know exactly
what I'm trying to do.
Can you say a bit more about how you'd do it next time and why?
Especially why Dupont bc/cc versus Dupont single stage?
Bill "learning that painting is a whole 'nother world and kind of
looking forward to the challenge" Watson
Rick wrote:
| Quote: | I used thier paint on my RV with mixed results. Loved the wonderfil
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| Quote: | and primer, the paint was very hard to control the orange peel but we
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| Quote: | kept it to a minimum by careful ratios of thinner. That said the paint
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| Quote: | buffs and colors sands like a champ. Mike's dad passed away in the
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| Quote: | middle of my paint project but I was always able to get his wife on
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| Quote: | the phone to order more supplies. They were good to deal with and I
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| Quote: | can't fault them on my experience. FWIW wonderfil is an Akzo Noble
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| Quote: | product packaged by Loehle. I used both and if they aren't the same
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| Quote: | stuff then sue me. If I had to do it again (I'm planning to) I would
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| Quote: | use a Dupont base/clear system, much more tolerant to temps. Flamers
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| Quote: | back off, I have lots of time behind a spray gun to make that call.
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| Quote: | The reason I went with Loehle was it's was single stage poly and I
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| Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 9:54 am Post subject: Contact for Loehle products |
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I used a DuPont over their primer on the pants...BUT....Every paint manufacturer out there will tell you to not mix brands, I did a test and it worked, and I may have been just lucky I picked a paint that did work...YMMV. My advice is pick a system and use only that brand of paint from start to finish.
Rick
---- christopher johnston <CJohnston(at)popsound.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Can you use Lohle's primer and a standard single stage poly over it?
I asked Lohle when I spoke with them, but they were obviously pushing
the use of their paint. I really like their wonderfill and primer,
but I've heard mixed reviews about the paint. I'm a fairly poor
painter (you can tell when I've painted a car, because my signature -
a nice big run - is usually in evidence) and I need all the help I can
get with ease of use.
c
On May 20, 2010, at 9:06 AM, ricksked(at)cox.net wrote:
>
>
> Their paint is a two part polyurethane with an optional clear coat.
> I do recommend the clear coat for durability and overall shine and
> the ability to sand and polish any blemishes. The paint has pretty
> high solid count and requires precise thinning with the correct temp
> thinner. I can tell you if you try to spray with the temps in the
> 80's with thinner rated at 75 you can't just add more thinner, you
> need to buy thinner from them for 80 degrees. More of a hassle than
> anything. I started painting in mid April and finished the first
> part of June. In Las Vegas that meant I needed four different
> temperature ranges of thinner. I think their product is OK, I do
> think there are better options out there if for the only reason to
> have a local supplier and technical source nearby. I have shot
> several other systems and unless I read their application
> instructions wrong it was one of the most temperamental paints I've
> used. Standard basecoat/clearcoat is a flat color, high gloss clear. !
> Loehle is NOT a standard basecoat/clearcoat. Their clear is much
> thicker than normal but it really shot OK, DuPont clearcoat is
> thinner and you need some practice to get it to flow just right
> before it runs, but it's not that bad. One thing about painting
> airplanes vs. cars I've done, there are a bunch more sides/corners/
> concave/convex surfaces to deal with, a hose tender/painting partner
> a must, and I credit my success to my friend Shane McMurray. He has
> been a painter for years and without his help I don't know if we
> could have overcome the initial orange peel. I thought maybe it was
> the spray rig but we painted the wheel pants with DuPont single
> stage poly and they came our great. Grumpys plane looks fantastic
> and Mike knows his product best and that played a big factor. The
> best part about painting myself is the paint job cost me just under
> $4000.00 in material, that includes building a paint booth from PVC
> and visqueen and lots of masking and sanding materials. It also!
> took twice as long as I thought. So to make a long story shor!
> t. I wou
> ld use another product next time, but I do like the filler, and you
> have options on that as well.
>
> http://www.anac.com/products/DataSheets/28c1.pdf
>
> Rick Sked
> N246RS
> ---- Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>>
>> Maybe I'm confused or their product has evolved, but Loehle describes
>> their paint product as a bc/cc product now. Sandy says that you can
>> just use the base coat like a single stage but recommends the clear
>> coat.
>>
>> Anyway Rick, maybe you can shed a little light on paint for me. It
>> kind
>> of dawned on me that having a local distributor to work with could be
>> valuable. So I've visited a couple - one distributing BASF products,
>> another Dupont. I talked to the Dupont guy and asked about the
>> aircraft
>> line of coatings. After some research, he came back and said that he
>> doesn't really have access/experience with those but he recommended
>> some
>> of their top of the line auto type coatings (Elite I think) saying
>> they
>> were close to equivalent. He also told me who could sell me the
>> aircraft stuff but they were all out of state. Using a good auto
>> paint
>> from Dupont or PPG or BASF sounds like a sound strategy to me.
>>
>> Having said that, Loehle has put together a great "how-to" package
>> and
>> is clearly focused on the experimental AC market. I'd feel
>> comfortable
>> working with them and their products simply because they know exactly
>> what I'm trying to do.
>>
>> Can you say a bit more about how you'd do it next time and why?
>> Especially why Dupont bc/cc versus Dupont single stage?
>>
>> Bill "learning that painting is a whole 'nother world and kind of
>> looking forward to the challenge" Watson
>>
>> Rick wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I used thier paint on my RV with mixed results. Loved the wonderfil
>>> and primer, the paint was very hard to control the orange peel but
>>> we
>>> kept it to a minimum by careful ratios of thinner. That said the
>>> paint
>>> buffs and colors sands like a champ. Mike's dad passed away in the
>>> middle of my paint project but I was always able to get his wife on
>>> the phone to order more supplies. They were good to deal with and I
>>> can't fault them on my experience. FWIW wonderfil is an Akzo Noble
>>> product packaged by Loehle. I used both and if they aren't the same
>>> stuff then sue me. If I had to do it again (I'm planning to) I would
>>> use a Dupont base/clear system, much more tolerant to temps. Flamers
>>> back off, I have lots of time behind a spray gun to make that call.
>>> The reason I went with Loehle was it's was single stage poly and I
>>> know what a bitch it is to touch up basecoat/clearcoat.
>>>
>>> Rick Sked
>>> N246RS
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On May 19, 2010, at 7:16 PM, "johngoodman" <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net
>>> >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net>
>>>>
>>>> Grumpy,
>>>> I apologize if I have made a false statement. I was merely
>>>> responding
>>>> to Bill that I had the same experience he has had, and gave my
>>>> assumption that prompted me to quit calling.
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Not true.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike's dad passed away, but Mike and Sandy are working hard.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike painted my bird 2 years ago and did an outstanding job.
>>>>>
>>>>> grumpy
>>>>> N184JM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --------
>>>> #40572 QB. Working on Cowling & Panel
>>>> N711JG reserved
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=298256#298256
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Chris Johnston (CJ)
Re-recording Mixer
POP Sound
625 Arizona Ave.
Santa Monica, CA 90401
310.587.1255 (direct)
310.587.1222 (fax)
cjohnston(at)popsound.com
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jeff(at)westcottpress.com
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| Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 10:02 am Post subject: Contact for Loehle products |
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I'd like to chime in here.
I am using Loehle's system, though I haven't shot any of the topcoat
or clear yet so I certainly can't comment on that aspect of it. I
chose Loehle because of his well written, easy to understand
"homebuilder" centric documents on painting both fiberglass and
aluminum airplanes and for his willingness to spend time on the phone
with me answering all of my finicky little questions. Though I
haven't called in 6 weeks or so, I've never had a problem getting
ahold of him or having a call returned in a reasonable amount of time,
and I plan to reward that service with as much business as I can give
him. For me, Loehle is to paint what Sein is to the panel.
Please take what I say here knowing that I've got no prior painting
experience... so nothing to compare this to, but one thing I have
learned is that your ability to see high/low and rough spots is half
the battle. Loehle's high build black primer for use on fiberglass
parts made those spots stand out like a sore thumb. I have found that
to be easily as valuable as the Wonder-fil.
Loehle also started out formulating for painting fabric covered
planes, so the paint is very flexible. Again, I've got nothing to
compare this to, but I used Loehle's black as a base coat for the
Zolatone I shot on the interior of my plane. I tested for
compatibility by shooting that combination on a .008 20" x 26"
aluminum plate (I've got a printing business). I can roll that thing
in to a small tube with no signs of cracking.
Anyway, there's my two cents. I'll report back when I shoot the
topcoat. I'm guessing I'll have an easier time of it than Rick, where
here in So Cal the temps are a bit more moderate than Lost Wages.
Jeff Carpenter
40304
On May 20, 2010, at 9:06 AM, <ricksked(at)cox.net> <ricksked(at)cox.net>
wrote:
| Quote: |
Their paint is a two part polyurethane with an optional clear coat.
I do recommend the clear coat for durability and overall shine and
the ability to sand and polish any blemishes. The paint has pretty
high solid count and requires precise thinning with the correct temp
thinner. I can tell you if you try to spray with the temps in the
80's with thinner rated at 75 you can't just add more thinner, you
need to buy thinner from them for 80 degrees. More of a hassle than
anything. I started painting in mid April and finished the first
part of June. In Las Vegas that meant I needed four different
temperature ranges of thinner. I think their product is OK, I do
think there are better options out there if for the only reason to
have a local supplier and technical source nearby. I have shot
several other systems and unless I read their application
instructions wrong it was one of the most temperamental paints I've
used. Standard basecoat/clearcoat is a flat color, high gloss clear. !
Loehle is NOT a standard basecoat/clearcoat. Their clear is much
thicker than normal but it really shot OK, DuPont clearcoat is
thinner and you need some practice to get it to flow just right
before it runs, but it's not that bad. One thing about painting
airplanes vs. cars I've done, there are a bunch more sides/corners/
concave/convex surfaces to deal with, a hose tender/painting partner
a must, and I credit my success to my friend Shane McMurray. He has
been a painter for years and without his help I don't know if we
could have overcome the initial orange peel. I thought maybe it was
the spray rig but we painted the wheel pants with DuPont single
stage poly and they came our great. Grumpys plane looks fantastic
and Mike knows his product best and that played a big factor. The
best part about painting myself is the paint job cost me just under
$4000.00 in material, that includes building a paint booth from PVC
and visqueen and lots of masking and sanding materials. It also!
took twice as long as I thought. So to make a long story shor!
t. I wou
ld use another product next time, but I do like the filler, and you
have options on that as well.
http://www.anac.com/products/DataSheets/28c1.pdf
Rick Sked
N246RS
---- Bill Mauledriver Watson <MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com> wrote:
>
> >
>
> Maybe I'm confused or their product has evolved, but Loehle describes
> their paint product as a bc/cc product now. Sandy says that you can
> just use the base coat like a single stage but recommends the clear
> coat.
>
> Anyway Rick, maybe you can shed a little light on paint for me. It
> kind
> of dawned on me that having a local distributor to work with could be
> valuable. So I've visited a couple - one distributing BASF products,
> another Dupont. I talked to the Dupont guy and asked about the
> aircraft
> line of coatings. After some research, he came back and said that he
> doesn't really have access/experience with those but he recommended
> some
> of their top of the line auto type coatings (Elite I think) saying
> they
> were close to equivalent. He also told me who could sell me the
> aircraft stuff but they were all out of state. Using a good auto
> paint
> from Dupont or PPG or BASF sounds like a sound strategy to me.
>
> Having said that, Loehle has put together a great "how-to" package
> and
> is clearly focused on the experimental AC market. I'd feel
> comfortable
> working with them and their products simply because they know exactly
> what I'm trying to do.
>
> Can you say a bit more about how you'd do it next time and why?
> Especially why Dupont bc/cc versus Dupont single stage?
>
> Bill "learning that painting is a whole 'nother world and kind of
> looking forward to the challenge" Watson
>
> Rick wrote:
>>
>>
>> I used thier paint on my RV with mixed results. Loved the wonderfil
>> and primer, the paint was very hard to control the orange peel but
>> we
>> kept it to a minimum by careful ratios of thinner. That said the
>> paint
>> buffs and colors sands like a champ. Mike's dad passed away in the
>> middle of my paint project but I was always able to get his wife on
>> the phone to order more supplies. They were good to deal with and I
>> can't fault them on my experience. FWIW wonderfil is an Akzo Noble
>> product packaged by Loehle. I used both and if they aren't the same
>> stuff then sue me. If I had to do it again (I'm planning to) I would
>> use a Dupont base/clear system, much more tolerant to temps. Flamers
>> back off, I have lots of time behind a spray gun to make that call.
>> The reason I went with Loehle was it's was single stage poly and I
>> know what a bitch it is to touch up basecoat/clearcoat.
>>
>> Rick Sked
>> N246RS
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 19, 2010, at 7:16 PM, "johngoodman" <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net
>> >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> <johngoodman(at)earthlink.net>
>>>
>>> Grumpy,
>>> I apologize if I have made a false statement. I was merely
>>> responding
>>> to Bill that I had the same experience he has had, and gave my
>>> assumption that prompted me to quit calling.
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>>> Not true.
>>>>
>>>> Mike's dad passed away, but Mike and Sandy are working hard.
>>>>
>>>> Mike painted my bird 2 years ago and did an outstanding job.
>>>>
>>>> grumpy
>>>> N184JM
>>>
>>>
>>> --------
>>> #40572 QB. Working on Cowling & Panel
>>> N711JG reserved
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=298256#298256
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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