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		cjhukill(at)cox.net Guest
 
 
 
 
 
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				 Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 6:45 am    Post subject: ELT antenna | 
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				I took a 7.25 inch piece of 1/16th welding rod,  welded a nutplate to the end and used a router to cut a groove in the under  side of the cabin top, running forward, just ahead of the F1074 skin and  bulkhead. I then attached a second nutplate to the backup strip where the pop  rivets go thru the cabin top. Then fill the groove with the wire in it with  micro. This was all done with the top upside down on the bench, but could be a  (somewhat messy) retrofit, with the top installed. What you now have is a tuned  (1/4 wave for 406 mhz) vertically polarized antenna, with ground plane (the aft  bulkhead, F1074 skin, aluminum backing strip assembly). The vertical  polarization is best for satellite reception, assuming the aircraft isn't  standing on it's nose after the crash. The crash protected and completely hidden  antenna is wired with the center conductor of the coax to the nutplate on the  wire, and the shield to the ground plane nutplate. The 406 tuned aspect of the  antenna and vertical polarization is not optimum for the 121.5 mhz transmission  function of the ELT, but I prefer to have the antenna optimized for the  satellite freqs. I can attest to the function of this setup with an inadvertent  activation of this same type of installation I have in my RV8. The ELT antenna  in the 8 is mounted in the wingtip the same way, with the rod going out  horizontally into the wingtip, and the outboard rib being the ground plane and  mounting structure. I accidentally set the ELT off trying to test it , and in  less than ten minutes , I received a call from the USAF asking  about the ELT hits. I apologized profusely, and explained that I was still  trying to get all the screws out of the wingtip to shut the damn thing off. The  remote switch turned it on OK, but wouldn't shut it off! I had tried to call the  tower, but they didn't even know what a 406 ELT was, let alone the phone  number to call to report a false alarm (800 851-3051). Anyway, the nice Zoomie  said no problem sir. I then asked him where his satellite was showing me to be,  and he said in the northwest corner of KVGT. This was from an aircraft in a  closed STEEL hangar (in the NW corner of the airport). This ELT does not have  GPS interface! The satellite triangulation was giving him a very accurate  position of my ELT, even without the GPS! Maybe the Sats aren't that good in  other places of the world, but wow, am I a believer. I can't imagine anybody not  availing themselves of this technology. I too have APRS installed (KE7HKK) ,  which I agree with Tim is fantastic . I  also carry a  GPS  enabled PLB on board, but no way would I travel in an aircraft without a 406  ELT.
   
  Chris Hukill
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		Kellym
 
 
  Joined: 10 Jan 2006 Posts: 1706 Location: Sun Lakes AZ
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				 Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 6:54 am    Post subject: ELT antenna | 
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				Only one small fly in the ointment, if your DAR or FAA decide to be 
 picky. All ELT's must be TSO'd by regulation. The antenna that they 
 demonstrate TSO compliance is part of the TSO approval, and it is not 
 legal to substitute another antenna. Does not matter whether it is on 
 homebuilt, warbird or ordinary type certificated aircraft.
 I'm rather certain what you have does a fine job. Just not what the 
 paper pushers would bless.
 Kelly
 
 On 8/12/2010 7:44 AM, Chris Hukill wrote:
  	  | Quote: | 	 		   I took a 7.25 inch piece of 1/16th welding rod, welded a nutplate to 
  the end and used a router to cut a groove in the under side of the 
  cabin top, running forward, just ahead of the F1074 skin and bulkhead. 
  I then attached a second nutplate to the backup strip where the pop 
  rivets go thru the cabin top. Then fill the groove with the wire in it 
  with micro.
 
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		cjay
 
 
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				 Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 1:24 am    Post subject: Re: ELT antenna | 
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				[quote="cjhukill(at)cox.net"]  The satellite triangulation was giving him a very accurate  position of my ELT, even without the GPS!   
  Chris Hukill
    
 
 Chris,
 
 The Doppler/triangulation processing for the modern 406 Mhz pulsed beacons are accurate to 2 parts per billion, giving a search area of 2 sqkm.  A huge improvement over the 121.5 Mhz tone, however, if you want 100m accuracy you need the gps encoded feature.
 
 cjay
 
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